Blurry textures cockpit

[Boulund]

Hi everyone.

I just realized I've got some graphical issues with some textures in the cockpit. Note that I've got Dragons (+TangoRomeos) SharkPit installed, but the problem is present in the regular cockpit as well. I've attached some screenshots, look at the weapons selection/master arm panel in the center of the screen.

 

The problem is this: I get blurred textures beneath the HUD, on the weapons selection/master arm panel and on the UV26 counter measures panel. This only occurs when I zoom out beyond a certain level.

 

I'm on the following hardware using the following settings:

GeForce 8800 GTS 640MB (G80) overclocked slightly (never above 70 degrees C)

2GB DDR2 RAM overclocked slightly

Core2Duo E6750 @ 3.4Ghz (load never above 45 degrees C)

WinXP SP3

 

All game settings on High except water which is at 0 through lua-edit.

 

Graphics card settings (nVidia profile for this application):

16x AF

4x AA (forced)

Transparency supersampling

Anisotropic sample optimization OFF

Negative LOD bias ALLOW

Texture filtering HIGH QUALITY

Trilinear optimization OFF

Triple Buffering ON

Vertical Sync ON

 

 

Not that I've played around with practically all combinations of all the above settings and none of the show any improvement. Anyone care to take a wild guess at what's wrong?

 

I'd love to get rid of this uglyness and would appreciate any help. Thanks!

Edited August 20, 2009 by Boulund

[Panzertard]

I think I've seen some threads about some similar issues - they suggested that you may have to change the Texture settings for the game to a bit higher.

Not the cockpit one - (which seems to affect the ABRIS and SHKVAL only I think) - but rather the normal textures for the game.

[Boulund]

I think I've seen some threads about some similar issues - they suggested that you may have to change the Texture settings for the game to a bit higher.

Not the cockpit one - (which seems to affect the ABRIS and SHKVAL only I think) - but rather the normal textures for the game.

 

But everything is already at highest possible?

Edited August 17, 2009 by Boulund

[Panzertard]

But everything is already at highest possible?

Hm. Okai, another theory and test then.

How about lowering some of the (for now) irrelevant settings - to allow the GPU & CPU more cycles to breath.

 

I've notices that my Shark pit may start a bit "Blurry", but after a few seconds it seems to get sharper - due to the fact that I may have some extra cycles available to allow the engine to do it's work.

So if the engine is working overtime to update everything else - it may not have enough cycles to do the work in the cockpit.

[Boulund]

Hm. Okai, another theory and test then.

How about lowering some of the (for now) irrelevant settings - to allow the GPU & CPU more cycles to breath.

 

I've notices that my Shark pit may start a bit "Blurry", but after a few seconds it seems to get sharper - due to the fact that I may have some extra cycles available to allow the engine to do it's work.

So if the engine is working overtime to update everything else - it may not have enough cycles to do the work in the cockpit.

 

I didn't have much hopes to the validity of your theory - I've never experienced the sharpening of the textures you describe (in this game, it's fairly common in Unreal Engine 3 though), and testing combinations of low medium high on all settings except water and textures I get no difference what so ever on this problem. I can make it look totally unplayable by lowering textures to low or medium but I can't stand that. I love the way it looks on high and it plays wonderfully, it's just that when I zoom out some textures get a lot more blurry than others. Others just seem to scale nicely like they should, but the concerned textures just go nuts on the blurring.

 

It certainly looks like some sorts of anisotropy because I can practically induce the blurring-effect by just shifting the angle at which I'm looking at the texture. It looks just like the common anisotropy effect you get from a plane going towards the horizon.

 

I think I've got plenty CPU and GPU cycles left though, since I'm testing it in a completely empty singleplayer mission with nothing but me and I'm seeing ~90 FPS without any drops at all (Vsync off of course, otherwise I hit the roof on 60 fps).

Edited August 17, 2009 by Boulund

[dragony]

Did you tried to make clean install of DCS+patch 1.0.1 and check if problem persists?

[DanKurt]

Im having the same problem since the patch.

You where able to make out quite clearly the panel inscriptions from default centre cockpit view.

Now you have to zoom in to make out the lettering which is no big deal for me, as I am used to the cockpit lay out, but it looks like ED have made a tweak to graphics textures that hasn't been to clever.

Yes, I have tried all the settings out and I have removed all MODS as stated.

My system has a Intel 8400@3.5Ghz , Gforce 260 XFX, 4Gb Ram and Vista 64 so there shouldn't be a problem with lack of power.

I am more concerned for the new comers to the game who may feel that this is a bit graphically sloppy in places.

I hope ED look closely at this as I am sure a few users may not have even noticed this as it is a subtle graphic anomaly and for many seasoned simmers not a great issue, but it is sloppy all the same.

[Feuerfalke]

I doubt this is a game-problem after my personal experience with this problem. I used to have up-to-date graphics card driver-versions for my 8800GTS 640MB. When switching back to an older driver, the problem was gone.

 

Also make sure that if you install or upgrade drivers, you always should clear any remains from previous installations, as conflicts with old settings may occur. I recommend using the "Driver-Sweeper"-Tool and rebooting before installing new drivers.

 

Another option could be tools like nHancer and RivaTuner. You can access a lot of hidden features with these tools and some of those are turned off by default to increase FPS at the cost of rendering quality. You should also be aware, that some quality-options with nVidia are only available in Quality-Mode, others exclusively in High Quality-Mode.

[GGTharos]

Could it also be the cockpit mod you're using?

[dragony]

I'm using nVidia 280 1Gb card with 190.38 driver - no problems with blurry textures.

[Panzertard]

I'm using nVidia 280 1Gb card with 190.38 driver - no problems with blurry textures.

Ditto atm - altough I did have some problems with the same issues as the OP initially at 1.0 back in April, it's somehow dissapeared (with the original pit).

Drivers updates / graphics config has solved it somehow.

Havent been able to reproduce it since - not that I've tried that hard ;)

[Boulund]

Could it also be the cockpit mod you're using?

 

No as far as I can tell it isn't because of the mod. The same textures gets blurry even without the mod. I mentioned this in the first post btw. ;)

Ditto atm - altough I did have some problems with the same issues as the OP initially at 1.0 back in April, it's somehow dissapeared (with the original pit).

Drivers updates / graphics config has solved it somehow.

Havent been able to reproduce it since - not that I've tried that hard ;)

 

 

I bet it's because of the latest drivers. My guess is that I didn't notice this problem before because I used some older drivers, but quite recently installed the latest 190.38 and around the same time installed the 1.0.1 patch and this pit-mod. Must be something like that. I'm quite experienced in trying to tweak game settings to my liking and problems like this one usually goes away just setting mipmaps to high quality and enabling AF16x. Ah well, I'll live with it. It's not like it's disabling me from playing ;)

Edited August 20, 2009 by Boulund

[GGTharos]

I'm sorry - I was tired when reading your post. :)

 

I have run into this blurry textures thing before, but I can't recall the solution - it made all textures blurry though, not just those particular ones.

[71st_Mastiff]

OMG you guys are making me laugh its in the game settings set textures on high....!!!!!

[GGTharos]

He said all game settings are on high except for water.

 

Boulund, can you please try running the sim at higher resolution?

[71st_Mastiff]

oh then it might be his resolution aspect ratio settings in the game...

[Distiler]

Usually It's about texture filtering quality setting not in the game but in the nvidia drivers. But you say it's already cranked up to high quality. Could it be that you have a personalitzed program settings with this texture filtering at high instead of very high?

 

PD: BTW, you say TRILINEAR OPTIMIZATION OFF but I think the setting in the driver is THREADED OPTIMIZATION and this one should be set ON so the driver can talk to multicore cpu's better.

 

PD2: also try setting NEGATIVE LOD BIAS to clamp, it fixes texture "tearing" for me in DCS.

[Boulund]

Has any one of you even looked at the pictures I added to the first post?

 

Distiler: I'm only using program specific settings in the nVidia driver, because I like to have different settings for different application.

Threaded optimization is ON

Negative LOD bias Clamp or Enable - no difference

 

GGTharos: I'm running my screen's native resolution right now of 1280x1024 (I'll make sure to go for a 1680x1050 when I get back home next week) but I can tell you that none if this makes any difference.

 

GF_Mastiff: I'm using a 5:4 aspect ratio in the game, just like it should be with my screen res.

[71st_Mastiff]

Has any one of you even looked at the pictures I added to the first post?

 

Distiler: I'm only using program specific settings in the nVidia driver, because I like to have different settings for different application.

Threaded optimization is ON

Negative LOD bias Clamp or Enable - no difference

 

GGTharos: I'm running my screen's native resolution right now of 1280x1024 (I'll make sure to go for a 1680x1050 when I get back home next week) but I can tell you that none if this makes any difference.

 

GF_Mastiff: I'm using a 5:4 aspect ratio in the game, just like it should be with my screen res.

I was having that same issue as you but for the life of me can't remember how I fixed it but it had something to do with the video settings.

[Boulund]

I was having that same issue as you but for the life of me can't remember how I fixed it but it had something to do with the video settings.

 

That's exactly what's bugging me. I keep remembering I had just this issue earlier this year but can't for the life of me figure out what I did (or when) to get rid of it! =)

[=SCoRPioN=]

Do Not use the latest 190.x drivers.

Use 182.x or 185.x

To make the cockpit texture crisp, after it's set to High in the game:

In Nvidia Control Panel: Set Texture Filtering - Quality to High Quality.

That will also turn off any optimizations, which degrade quality.

Set AF to 16X.

 

Mine looks very crisp @ 1680x1050 on GTX 285.

 

I also run 4X AA.

[Boulund]

I remember it as beeing crisp and clear sometime in the last months, must've been before I installed 190.x drivers just like you said.

I just installed the latest 190.62 drivers and the problem is still there.

[bumfire]

Does setting LOD detail in nvidia cards to CLAMP do anything ?

 

I suffered this problem also with the new patch, but I uninstalled and then reinstalled the game and I no longer have the problem, but when I first applied the patch over a unmodded BS, the lettering especially on the buttons above the HUD were impossible to read when zoomed out, they were all blurry n shat, I had to zoom in to read them properly.

 

I cant recall if settings LOD to clamp will do anything to rectify this situation or not, but for me, a reinstall of the game worked.

[Boulund]

Does setting LOD detail in nvidia cards to CLAMP do anything ?

 

I suffered this problem also with the new patch, but I uninstalled and then reinstalled the game and I no longer have the problem, but when I first applied the patch over a unmodded BS, the lettering especially on the buttons above the HUD were impossible to read when zoomed out, they were all blurry n shat, I had to zoom in to read them properly.

 

I cant recall if settings LOD to clamp will do anything to rectify this situation or not, but for me, a reinstall of the game worked.

 

No, LOD detail to allow or clamp changes nothing. =(

 

maybe a reinstall is all that will fix it

[=SCoRPioN=]

I remember it as beeing crisp and clear sometime in the last months, must've been before I installed 190.x drivers just like you said.

I just installed the latest 190.62 drivers and the problem is still there.

 

Do NOT use 190.x drivers!

They kill the fps in every game!

 

Use 182.x or 185.x

 

Problem solved.