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[arneh]

Latin has words like "centauri", yes. (Although to be precise "centauri" isn't the word itself, it's a specific form of the word "centaur". :P ) How do you pronounce those? Either "sentauri" or "kentauri". There is no specific "c" sound phonetically, which is my entire point.

 

That right there is my point: latin phonetics do not have a distinct "c", since the letter can mean widely different sounds.

 

 

Actually, in classical latin C was always pronounced with a K-sound, so it did have a specific phonetic sound. It was later latin and other languages which confused the sound :p

 

So Centauri would be pronounced "Kentauri" in classical latin, and Caesar something like "Kaisar" (which explains where the german word for emperor, "Kaizer", comes from).

 

But apart from that bit of nitpicking you're mostly right :)

[EtherealN]

Yeah, I know, I did mean contemporary languages that use latin script. :)

[amalahama]

The greek alphabet is a cyrillic alphabet. I did NOT mean the greek alphabet. I meant exactly what I wrote, though as Zaltysz pointed out there is some factual inaccuracy.

 

Latin has words like "centauri", yes. (Although to be precise "centauri" isn't the word itself, it's a specific form of the word "centaur". :P ) How do you pronounce those? Either "sentauri" or "kentauri". There is no specific "c" sound phonetically, which is my entire point. The alphabet has a "c", but there is no such thing as the sound "c", and the letter "c" in the alphabet does not have a specific singular sound assigned to it but rather is highly dependent on circumstances. As an example, let's take the word "circumstances" that I used just there: how do you pronounce it?

 

Kirkumstankes?

Sirsumstanses?

or

Sirkumstanses?

 

That right there is my point: latin phonetics do not have a distinct "c", since the letter can mean widely different sounds. The russian "C" however does mean a very specific thing phonetically.

 

If you want further examples of weirdness we can take the letters W and V, which (excepting german) are phonetically pretty much the same in most languages that use latin script. (Though the german hilarity of "f" and "v" being very similar phonetically is another thing.) Another "pair" would be K and Q. So we have a mishmash of some letters that can mean several sounds, and other letters that mean the same sounds as other letters. And that's not even beginning to touch on the confusion of letters changing meaning depending on their neighbors and composite sounds created with several letters (like "ch"), or pairs of letters used to change the pronounciation of a preceding letter - like double-consonants changing the pronounciation of a preceding vowel.

 

Yes, I'm a nerd. :P

 

In Spanish the pronunciation of "c"+vowel is well defined:

 

c+(e or i) => like english "th" of "fifth" for example

c+(a,o or u) => like english "c" of "car" for example

 

In general Spanish phonetic is very simple, there are little exceptions and only a few rules. I wish english phonetics were such simple. I found in each english word a new exception that broke my previous schemes:D

 

Regards!!

Edited October 20, 2009 by amalahama

[EtherealN]

I'm not sure I follow that one. Example: cerveza. (The first word of spanish I learned. :D ) If I understand you right there that would be roughly "thervesa"?

 

Admittedly, my spanish isn't really spanish spanish (I learned it from exposure to Chile :P ), but some clarification to the exceptions would be good.

 

That said, I find english a lot easier than spanish, but that's probably because my native swedish is a germanic language and is therefore closer to english than spanish. (Indeed, old english like in the Beowulf saga and old norse is very similar in the same way swedish and norwegian is today.)

 

Got to say though, this thread has suffered a worse derailing than a normal fact-finding lookup at wikipedia. :poster_oops:

[amalahama]

I'm not sure I follow that one. Example: cerveza. (The first word of spanish I learned. :D ) If I understand you right there that would be roughly "thervesa"?

 

Wow you learn spanish prety fast :D Yes, you pronunce "cerveza" like "/θerve'θa/" (z+a, z+o, z+u, c+e and c+i, all of them have the same sound). All vowels sound like their phonetic sign (without exceptions), and almost all consonants sound equal whatever situation, except c (c+a,c+o and c+u sounds like /k/, c+e and c+i like /θ/), c+h (it sounds like /tʃ/ of "chim" for example), l+l (sounds like /ʒ/, the 's' of 'vision' is a good example), qu+e or i (sounds like /k/ again, it's the same that c+a) and no more exceptions really.

 

Yeah, spanish has a more complex grammar than english, but is very similar than other latin languages, in fact I can understand an Italian prety well even if I don't know a word in italian!! (except pizza, pepperoni and few more :D)

 

Regards!!

Edited October 20, 2009 by amalahama

[joey45]

So what language is [any] code written in? English or Latin...

[sinelnic]

Just for the record, Amalahama is talking about the Spanish that is spoken in Spain, because I say "Cerveza" with an 'S' (at least the first one, the rest become more 'Z', or even 'ZZZZZZ').

 

I could also add that the letter C derives from the greek Gamma and used to have the 'G' sound in early Italy. As for Latin, it wasn't made from the ground up but it adopted other languages's words as the empire grew, so you get a 'c' pronounced as 's' as a rarity.

 

BTW, what language has a unique sound for the character "C"?

[Boberro]

I hope some posts have been written for fun :D

 

I have never seen any "translated" programming language so big as C++.

 

For me it is obvious it must be English there... it's standard.

 

But maybe i am wrong... but I don't think so.

[thereminqblank]

I'm pretty sure it was written in Basic:

 

10 Load

20 Hand AssOnPlatter To User

30 Goto 10

RUN

[EtherealN]

Sinelnic, not sure on languages with a unique C. I almost said russian, but then I remembered letters like 3. And a review of the alphabet does actually make it appear like there is some variation to C as well. (/s/ and /sʲ/, who fortunately aren't as different to each other as the other C's in germanic and so on.)

 

And well, I guess what I'm speaking is a more south-american version of spanish, and I have to say that the cerveza sounds much tastier when it starts with an S. :D

 

Boberro, I would guess english for the code itself, russian for the comments.

[Martillo1]

Sinelnic, not sure on languages with a unique C. I almost said russian, but then I remembered letters like 3. And a review of the alphabet does actually make it appear like there is some variation to C as well. (/s/ and /sʲ/, who fortunately aren't as different to each other as the other C's in germanic and so on.)

 

And well, I guess what I'm speaking is a more south-american version of spanish, and I have to say that the cerveza sounds much tastier when it starts with an S. :D

 

Boberro, I would guess english for the code itself, russian for the comments.

The south american spanish pronunciation comes from the way spanish is pronounced in the south of Spain. And five centuries have passed since the discovering of America...

 

Try to read "El cantar de Mío Cid" in ancient spanish and you will see an example of evolution :D

 

BTW, you b****rds have completely denaturalized my post :D

Edited October 21, 2009 by Martillo1

[joey45]

BTW, you b****rds have completely denaturalized my post :D

 

here to please. ;)

[EtherealN]

Actually, Martillo1, that all also explains another thing I used to be slightly perplexed about - El Cid. Makes it apparent why it gets transliterated to El Kid. :D

 

Sorry for the derail tho. >.>

[Martillo1]

Actually, Martillo1, that all also explains another thing I used to be slightly perplexed about - El Cid. Makes it apparent why it gets transliterated to El Kid. :D

 

Sorry for the derail tho. >.>

 

Rodrigo Díaz de Vivar aka "The Kid" :lol::lol::lol:

 

"El Cid" is short for "El Cid Campeador", beeing "Cid" the castillian for "Sidi", that in arabic means "Lord" or "Sir", a true respect title given to him by the moors he fighted against or in favor to (yes, feudalism had that sort of things). "Campeador" means sort of "Champion of the fields of battle", i.e. he was unsurpassed in personal battle, never. He always won. All together it could be something like "Lord of the Battlefield".

 

Rodrigo Díaz de Vivar, el Cid Campeador.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Cid

http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodrigo_Díaz_de_Vivar (more complete than the english wiki)

[topol-m]

This thread :doh:

 

[sinelnic]

Martillo, answers are not important, what matters is the question... :megalol:

 

EtherealN you speak spanish?? or just for ordering beer :D?