Spades_Neil Posted April 3, 2010 Posted April 3, 2010 In 2.0, the game features the AIM-120 B and C while also featuring the AIM-9 P and M... What I want to know is if there is an in-game difference between these? What's the advantage of one over another? Is there even an advantage?
EvilBivol-1 Posted April 3, 2010 Posted April 3, 2010 The main differences are that the AIM-120C is much more resistant to chaff and the AIM-9P is a rear-aspect missile. - EB [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Nothing is easy. Everything takes much longer. The Parable of Jane's A-10 Forum Rules
Spades_Neil Posted April 3, 2010 Author Posted April 3, 2010 The main differences are that the AIM-120C is much more resistant to chaff and the AIM-9P is a rear-aspect missile. Rear aspect? What does that mean?
EvilBivol-1 Posted April 3, 2010 Posted April 3, 2010 It means it cannot lock up targets reliably forward of the 3/9 line. In other words, you have to be behind the target for the missile to be able to track the engines' heat signature. It's a problem of older IR seekers. - EB [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Nothing is easy. Everything takes much longer. The Parable of Jane's A-10 Forum Rules
Spades_Neil Posted April 3, 2010 Author Posted April 3, 2010 It means it cannot lock up targets reliably forward of the 3/9 line. In other words, you have to be behind the target for the missile to be able to track the engines' heat signature. It's a problem of older IR seekers. Oh, so it's actually just a disadvantage to use it? Is there any benefit? Meanwhile, if the 120C is resistant to flares, what's its draw back? Less maneuverability?
EvilBivol-1 Posted April 3, 2010 Posted April 3, 2010 There is no real advantage to using the AIM-9P. It's there, as one of the Russian devs put it, for "sport" - in case the mission designer or multiplayer server wants to restrict dogfight capability. There is no disadvantage to the AIM-120C compared to the AIM-120B. It's simply better. Again though, the AIM-120B is a closer match to the Russian R-77, so if the mission designer or multiplayer server is looking for better balance in this regard, they would equip the F-15C with the AIM-12B instead of the -C. - EB [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Nothing is easy. Everything takes much longer. The Parable of Jane's A-10 Forum Rules
Spades_Neil Posted April 3, 2010 Author Posted April 3, 2010 There is no real advantage to using the AIM-9P. It's there, as one of the Russian devs put it, for "sport" - in case the mission designer or multiplayer server wants to restrict dogfight capability. There is no disadvantage to the AIM-120C compared to the AIM-120B. It's simply better. Again though, the AIM-120B is a closer match to the Russian R-77, so if the mission designer or multiplayer server is looking for better balance in this regard, they would equip the F-15C with the AIM-12B instead of the -C. Ahh, I see.
Grimes Posted April 3, 2010 Posted April 3, 2010 There is no real advantage to using the AIM-9P. It's there, as one of the Russian devs put it, for "sport" - in case the mission designer or multiplayer server wants to restrict dogfight capability. Any chance to do that on a by mission basis? Have one mission thats normal payloads, another limited to SARH, another pure Dogfight without having to change settings on the server each time? The right man in the wrong place makes all the difference in the world. Current Projects: Grayflag Server, Scripting Wiki Useful Links: Mission Scripting Tools MIST-(GitHub) MIST-(Thread) SLMOD, Wiki wishlist, Mission Editing Wiki!, Mission Building Forum
104th_Crunch Posted April 3, 2010 Posted April 3, 2010 There is no real advantage to using the AIM-9P. It's there, as one of the Russian devs put it, for "sport" - in case the mission designer or multiplayer server wants to restrict dogfight capability. Like dogfighting in the MiG-29A with R60s. Good fun :)
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proletariat23 Posted March 8, 2017 Posted March 8, 2017 They still f themselves into the deck in response to any climbing vertical manouvering , hot seem to utilize the split s snap shot well
Harpoon Posted March 8, 2017 Posted March 8, 2017 They still f themselves into the deck in response to any climbing vertical manouvering , hot seem to utilize the split s snap shot well Come! Rise from your grave, dead thread! 1 If you want to talk to anyone about anything personal, send it to their PM box. Interpersonal drama and ad hominem rebuttal are things that do not belong on a thread viewed by the public. One thing i have to point out... naming a thread.. "OK, so" is as useful as tits on a bull.
Kaliphtan Posted March 9, 2017 Posted March 9, 2017 (edited) Guys has been beating aroud the bush so i will tell you the difference : AIM-9 sidewinder is a FOX 2* missile and his name come from the sidewinder snake who detect his preys by their heat and it has 3 variants in DCS : AIM-9P : export version of the AIM-9L. A lot of less performant systems AIM-9P-5 : The AIM-9P-5 is further improved by the addition of a counter-countermeasures capability. ( before 9P-4-3-2-1) AIM-9M : upgraded version of the AIM-9L with the addition of an A low smoke and anti-countermeasure engine. AIM-9M > AIM-P-5 > AIM-P AIM-120 AMRAAM stand for Advanced Medium-Range Air-to-Air Missile, it's a FOX 3* missile and it got 2 differents versions in DCS : AIM-120B : upgraded version of AIM-120A with better guidance system : the WGU-41/B. AIM-120C : upgraded version of AIM-120C with better guidance system : the WGU-44/B and it got new features such as clipped wings and fins. AIM-120C > AIM-120B Meaning of FOX 2 and 3 : Fox 2 : It corresponds to an infrared homing missile fire, reserved for short distance shots (except for R-27ET with large engine). Fox 3 : It corresponds to an active homing missile fire, mostly reserved for long and medium shots. src : https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIM-9_Sidewinder http://www.designation-systems.net/dusrm/m-9.html http://www.ausairpower.net/TE-Sidewinder-94.html https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIM-120_AMRAAM http://www.designation-systems.net/dusrm/m-120.html Edited March 9, 2017 by Kaliphtan
proletariat23 Posted March 10, 2017 Posted March 10, 2017 Call me a necromancer. My dark wizardry is well known.
mattebubben Posted March 11, 2017 Posted March 11, 2017 (edited) Guys has been beating aroud the bush so i will tell you the difference : AIM-9 sidewinder is a FOX 2* missile and his name come from the sidewinder snake who detect his preys by their heat and it has 3 variants in DCS : AIM-9P : export version of the AIM-9L. A lot of less performant systems AIM-9P-5 : The AIM-9P-5 is further improved by the addition of a counter-countermeasures capability. ( before 9P-4-3-2-1) AIM-9M : upgraded version of the AIM-9L with the addition of an A low smoke and anti-countermeasure engine. AIM-9M > AIM-P-5 > AIM-P I think you have some of the facts wrong on the Aim-9 there =P. The Aim-9P is not related to the Aim-9L. The Aim-9L and Aim-9P were both developed at the same but to fulfill different needs With the Aim-9L being a extremely capable New design but much more expensive then the older designs. Where as the Aim-9P is a improvement on the Aim-9J family of missiles and was mainly developed as an export option or as a much cheaper option to the Aim-9L for lower risk situations (or for sale to nations that the US did not want to sell the Aim-9L to) and even the US acquired substantial numbers of the Aim-9P missiles as they were much cheaper then the Aim-9L but still more then good enough for less demanding scenarios. The Base Aim-9P was just like the Rear aspect missile just like the Aim-9s before it meaning it was unable to lock an enemy from the front but required as good a sight of the enemy engine as possible (So either directly behind of from the side)though its seeker was more capable then older generations of rear aspect missiles. There were multiple variants of the Aim-9P ranging from the Aim-9P (P1) to Aim-9P5. Aim-9P1,P2,P3 were all rear aspect missiles but had different improvements letting the customer pick what best suited their need / budget (as the more capable the variant the more expensive it was likely to be). The Aim-9P4 was a Aim-9P with a All-Aspect seeker based on the Aim-9L technology. The Aim-9P5 is like the P4 but with the Seeker based on the Aim-9M giving it better flare rejection capabilities then the Aim-9P4. But indeed the Aim-9M is by far the best of the Three. Longest range,More Maneuverable and with a better seeker etc. With the Aim-9P being the Worst as it is less manuverable has a shorter effective range and the seeker is rear aspect only as already explained, with the P5 having the seeker advantages of the Aim-9M but still has the other limitations of the Aim-9P. Edited March 11, 2017 by mattebubben
Arkid77 Posted November 5, 2022 Posted November 5, 2022 Quotes from the DCS F/A-18C "AIM-9L and M Sidewinder Air-to-Air Missile" and "AIM-120B and C Advanced Medium Range Air-to-Air Missile" training missions: "Deliveries of the AIM-120B began in 1994 and replaced the AIM-120A. The AIM-120C was fielded in 1996 and has clipped wings to support internal storage, improved target detection, and greater range. " "Today we're looking at the L and M versions. The AIM-9L, or Lima, entered production in 1977 and was the first all-aspect homing Sidewinder. Meaning it could get a lock on a target at any aspect angle; however, a rear-aspect provides much better detection. The Mike, or AIM-9M, is an improved version of the Lima with better flare-rejection and a reduced-smoke motor. In a later lesson we'll take a look at the AIM-9X and the Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing System.
MustangSally Posted November 6, 2022 Posted November 6, 2022 On 11/5/2022 at 2:59 PM, Arkid77 said: Quotes from the DCS F/A-18C "AIM-9L and M Sidewinder Air-to-Air Missile" and "AIM-120B and C Advanced Medium Range Air-to-Air Missile" training missions: "Deliveries of the AIM-120B began in 1994 and replaced the AIM-120A. The AIM-120C was fielded in 1996 and has clipped wings to support internal storage, improved target detection, and greater range. " "Today we're looking at the L and M versions. The AIM-9L, or Lima, entered production in 1977 and was the first all-aspect homing Sidewinder. Meaning it could get a lock on a target at any aspect angle; however, a rear-aspect provides much better detection. The Mike, or AIM-9M, is an improved version of the Lima with better flare-rejection and a reduced-smoke motor. In a later lesson we'll take a look at the AIM-9X and the Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing System. Nice necro! You do realise that you are replying to a thread from 5yrs ago?? 2 Ryzen 9 7950X3D - MSI MAG X670E TomaHawk MB, ASUS ROG Ryujin III 360 AIO 64gig Corsair DDR5@6000, Gigabyte GeForce RTX 4090 AORUS Winwing Super Taurus, Orion2, TO / Combat panels, Collective with Topgun MIP Winwing Skywalker pedals, NLR Boeing Mil Edition Simpit, 55" Samsung Odyssey Ark, Trackir
Arkid77 Posted November 30, 2022 Posted November 30, 2022 On 11/6/2022 at 1:00 AM, MustangSally said: Nice necro! You do realise that you are replying to a thread from 5yrs ago?? Yeah lol, thought I may as will reply since this was the 1st page that popped up when I searched it up.
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