Ground target visibility

[159th_Viper]

A breath of Fresh Air - Constructive Input based on substantive fact/experience.

 

 

 

Now, a green tank parked in the middle of a green patch of land would not be easily distinguishable while flying 5000 feet at 500km/h (given my experience of flying as passenger on airliners and small planes).

 

 

Again:

 

An input from an experienced recon pilot "for the average pilot (who has been trained in recognition – sliding scale here also) spotting a potential target would be in the region of 1000-1500ft slant range. To identify type you would probably have to overfly or receive info from other sources (JTAC etc) "

 

 

Makes a welcome change from 'I cannot spot Ground Units any more so ED's modelling is FUBAR :doh:.

 

If one has an issue with a certain aspect of the simulation then by all means go ahead and let it be known. Have the courtesy however to be able to back up your submissions with fact other than one's 'Gut Feelings/Opinions', especially when advocating change.

 

Said change was already incorporated by having due regard to SME (Subject Matter Experts) input as stated above and not plucked from thin air.

 

Various screenies have shown that if you know where to look, Ground Units are easily spotted from as far as 2-3nm distant at default cockpit view - no zoom. The converse holds true too: Not knowing where to look makes spotting said units virtually impossible to successfully locate in the first instance, especially having regard to closure rates.

 

Honestly cannot understand how this can be perceived as 'Unrealistic'. Seems as if we were all too spoilt by 'Crank down my AA and Spot the Black-Box' from 100km distant syndrome that has now been exterminated, quite successfully I might add.

[ZQuickSilverZ]

Originally Posted by SFJackBauer

Now, a green tank parked in the middle of a green patch of land would not be easily distinguishable while flying 5000 feet at 500km/h (given my experience of flying as passenger on airliners and small planes).

Im just curious how do you know your altitude as a passenger? I know its totally possible because I work at the American Airlines maintanace base and have access to thier entire fleet. Im just curious to hear your answer.

[Prophet]

Interesting that I have yet to see anyone with any real world experience spotting armor/vehicles at a distance have expressed any problem.

 

The sim is still easier to spot that IRL.

[SFJackBauer]

Im just curious how do you know your altitude as a passenger? I know its totally possible because I work at the American Airlines maintanace base and have access to thier entire fleet. Im just curious to hear your answer.

 

Several ways to do that.

 

Some airlines offer those LCD displays on back of the seats as an entertainment center, which also can display your current altitude, speed and position on a map. On domestic flights or cheaper routes that does not have this, normally the pilot makes an announcement to the passengers and tell them current altitude and speed.

 

Also (only in US and Canada) you can track any flight using a service like http://flightaware.com/ that tracks any commercial flight, showing alt and speed.

 

Finally, en-route charts are publicly accessible and available (FSX users like me use them a lot :)), and they often contain the range of altitudes for that route.

[RIPTIDE]

Several ways to do that.

 

Some airlines offer those LCD displays on back of the seats as an entertainment center, which also can display your current altitude, speed and position on a map. On domestic flights or cheaper routes that does not have this, normally the pilot makes an announcement to the passengers and tell them current altitude and speed.

 

Also (only in US and Canada) you can track any flight using a service like http://flightaware.com/ that tracks any commercial flight, showing alt and speed.

 

Finally, en-route charts are publicly accessible and available (FSX users like me use them a lot :)), and they often contain the range of altitudes for that route.

They have something like that in Europe aswell... it was shown on some sites during the volcano eruption. You could see the how some of the airspace was devoid of air traffic.

[ZQuickSilverZ]

SFJackBauer you play FSX? Awsome. I play FSX too. Want to fly Pilot/Copilot sometime? I know of a great server. They offer routes, charts, and instruction if needed. Let me know. I also have X-Plane 9, IL2 Sturmovik 1946, and Enemy Engaged.

[JLZ]

^^

... And rest of us could be passengers so we could see are those targets visible or not?

 

Cool!

[Robin_Hood]

RL pilots don't lie either :)

 

If a fighter pilot tells it, it's a goddamn lie

 

:lol: Sorry, I couldn't resist

[SFJackBauer]

SFJackBauer you play FSX? Awsome. I play FSX too. Want to fly Pilot/Copilot sometime? I know of a great server. They offer routes, charts, and instruction if needed. Let me know. I also have X-Plane 9, IL2 Sturmovik 1946, and Enemy Engaged.

 

Right now I do not have FSX installed, due to a complete rig rebuild... and FC2 :) But I'll let you know when I get stuff setted up. :thumbup:

 

/offtopic

[ZQuickSilverZ]

JLZ you can't afford the ticket to QuickSilver Airlines. But if you buy me some beer before the flight we'll talk....... Also you will have to ask Victoria out for me because you know...... she's freakin scary but good looking (I heard she once killed a passanger using just her sarcasm, she musta hit him right in the concussion).