have I improved

[71st_Mastiff]

I thought this was just a game? :music_whistling:

[aairon]

Ka-50 or the thread? :smilewink:

[GGTharos]

A flight sim is what you make of it.

[ZQuickSilverZ]

We (The War Hawks) are happy to help anybody that feels they can benefit from asking for help. War Hawk or not. I have personally helped 3 people I did not know that could not keep the chopper airborne (rotor collision, engine torque, transmission, mostly due to rough handling and fighting the stick) due to trim problems. After 2 hours they could take off, fly straight, and execute simple turns with some clarity and purpose. Did I turn them into elite pilots? Of course not, but they were better off and less frustrated afterward. Some people just need a foundation to build off of. I never claimed to be an Elite pilot. I learn new things all the time from a variety of sources. What I am claiming is I don't require a pre qualifying level of competence before I feel like its worth my time to offer any assistance and I don't feel like any assistance or advice I offer is worthless. I have been exposed to aviation for years (I work for the largest (commercial) aircraft maintenance base in the world, get to see F16's take off everyday, have seen the stealth bomber do touch and goes (we are super close to the runway), have seen AWACS do fly bys, have gotten to go into a Russian Antonov An-124, and I will be one of the early people to see the 787)and flown a variety of flight sims, but I have never appreciated aviation until DCS. So it's very important to me that people have a good time playing it instead of feeling like it's an exercise in frustration (like say from breaking the chopper due to fighting your trim). I want to serve the hobby not just my squad. If you just want to learn and have fun and help others give us a try.

WH_QuickSilver

http://war-hawks.net/

Edited August 19, 2010 by ZQuickSilverZ

[Eries]

Sounds like you think real air forces have poor teachers. AFAIK their failures might in fact be larger.

 

We do something similar in the 44th, and so far, most people are unable to make a few nav turns while holding speed and altitude. Really, is that, plus learning a landing pattern too much to ask for for entry?

 

Let's face it ... the majority of people who play these games and plain poor pilots, and they really do not care to be any better. All they want to do is lob a bunch of missiles in a particular direction and count-up the score.

 

Flying? That's for - oh wait ...

 

See the point? We appreciate people who can learn to do things right and relatively quickly, because we'd rather get that done with and move on to less routine things.

 

An yes, those basic flying skills DO end up being quite important.

 

Tyger has made an awesome training programme for the 104th's Black Shark wing, and he has made it the way it actually should be.

 

If you don't qualify, you ... don't qualify.

 

I have to laugh when folks compare sims to real life .....or themselves or thier squad to a military unit.

Comparing yourself or your results to the "airforce" , well , is beyond ridiculous and insulting intellectually to anything standing on two feet.

It just reinforces the belief of many that quite a few folks take themselves way to seriously.......Time for folks to get out of moms basement and get some fresh air....

[GGTharos]

I suggest you read the posted that you made that a response was made to, the response, then this last post you wrote.

 

I'll let you figure out where you went wrong on your own for now :)

[Eries]

I suggest you read the posted that you made that a response was made to, the response, then this last post you wrote.

 

I'll let you figure out where you went wrong on your own for now :)

 

 

It seems like you are trying to give some advice. Unfortunately your english is unreadable.

[Sticky]

I suggest you read the posted that you made that a response was made to, the response, then this last post you wrote.

 

ROFL! Been drinking tonight? :thumbup:

[GGTharos]

Nah, I was in a hurry and thinking of about 5 things at once. All needed revisiting, so multi-tasking needs to be kept at bay ;)

 

Take two:

 

Read:

http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=958520&postcount=95

 

Read the responses to it.

 

Read:

http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=968021&postcount=105

 

I'll leave the rest to you. ;)

[ZQuickSilverZ]

I suggest you read the posted that you made that a response was made to, the response, then this last post you wrote.

 

I'll let you figure out where you went wrong on your own for now :)

 

George W Bush is that you??

 

All kidding aside you must have a very busy life.

[WH_Boomer]

I have to laugh when folks compare sims to real life .....or themselves or thier squad to a military unit.

Comparing yourself or your results to the "airforce" , well , is beyond ridiculous and insulting intellectually to anything standing on two feet.

It just reinforces the belief of many that quite a few folks take themselves way to seriously.......Time for folks to get out of moms basement and get some fresh air....

 

+1 :thumbup:

 

While many of us like to utilize "real world" tactics and procedures in our sims, it's still just a game, and driving people away with an elitist attitude most certainly is not the best for the future of ED or simming in general.

[71st_Mastiff]

+1 :thumbup:

 

While many of us like to utilize "real world" tactics and procedures in our sims, it's still just a game, and driving people away with an elitist attitude most certainly is not the best for the future of ED or simming in general.

:thumbup:

hear hear, its the elitist that seem to think their $&it don't stink.

 

:inv: :flowers:

[aairon]

Can't we all just meet up on line, In our Ka-50's and just shoot the crap out of each other at High noon?:pilotfly:

[Toadster]

:thumbup:

hear hear, its the elitist that seem to think their $&it don't stink.

 

:inv: :flowers:

 

Since everyone feels the need to constantly stray off the original thread's topic, I'll bite:

 

Can you be more specific on who these "elitists" are please? I'm sure we can all benefit from your master list and certainly avoid any contact with these people at all costs.

 

If by "elitists" you mean they are those who want to fly the Shark as close to the real thing as possible, then that's quite a large group. Do people that build accurate modeled sim pits in their basements qualify as "elitists" as well? They put countless hours and money into their own immersion factor, so they must be people who don't want to have fun.

 

As GGTharos nicely put it: "A flight sim is what you make of it. "

 

Cheers....

Edited August 30, 2010 by Toadster
My usual grammar mistakes...

[71st_Mastiff]

Wow I'm surprised one of the 104th actually got on here and replied? Well if the shoe fits wear it. but I wont get in to it.

 

So no more comments from the peanut gallery. meaning me not you. :thumbup:

I'm still disgruntled.

 

Since everyone feels the need to constantly stray off the original thread's topic, I'll bite:

 

Can you be more specific on who these "elitists" are please? I'm sure we can all benefit from your master list and certainly avoid any contact with these people at all costs.

 

If by "elitists" you mean they are those who want to fly the Shark as close to the real thing as possible, then that's quite a large group. Do people that build accurate modeled sim pits in their basements qualify as "elitists" as well? They put countless hours and money into their own immersion factor, so they must be people who don't want to have fun.

 

As GGTharos nicely put it: "A flight sim is what you make of it. "

 

Cheers....

[Toadster]

Wow I'm surprised one of the 104th actually got on here and replied? Well if the shoe fits wear it. but I wont get in to it.

 

So no more comments from the peanut gallery. meaning me not you. :thumbup:

I'm still disgruntled.

 

Fair enough...

 

S!:D

[Speed]

Well... lets say that good pilots like most to be around other good pilots. Being around mediocre pilots that have difficulty just getting into a hover or do not understand the datalink system diminishes the fun of the more skilled pilot to some degree at the least. When you are very good at DCS, you want a wingman (or flight leader) that is very good at DCS too. It's not elitism, it's people wanting to associate with those who they will have the most fun flying with, and have most in common with. They don't want every mission to be a training mission instead of a combat mission! If you are that mediocre pilot, instead of getting offended at this, you should be hitting the books and learning the helo so that it no longer applies to you! ;)

[44th_Rooster]

Seriously folks..... A Flightsim or game whatever the heck you want to call it was built not out of fresh imagination like Star Wars or something like that....

 

It was built to MIRROR a few things from the Real World. The Radar was built in the real world to Operate and provide certain features for the Operator...

 

So when you have a flightsim that tries to simulate a few things on a Radar you can Operate it how ever you want...

 

Operate using what we claim is real world procedures or a mix thereof...

 

Or Operate it however you want...

 

Please don't post telling me about how your terminology calls FC2 a game instead of a flightsim etc... Or that the Eagle Radar in FC2 is porked really bad to the point of not being called an Eagle Radar... That is not my intention to talk any of that. You are not telling me anything I haven't thought of........... but I will say that I Certainly haven't lived with Mom in Decades hehe

 

So that being said. To each his own and I do agree with Tyger and his program... but I understand that it is not very sensitive to those lacking skills or not fully understand the depth and reasoning behind the training philosophy etc...

 

Tyger MAY NOT be as sensitive to peoples emotions same as GG and myself about skill level and discipline, but I must say that there is something to all this so called standardization thing...

 

Lots of Rote memorization and flow verify switchology methodology and constant problem solving and analysis in a cockpit is the BACKBONE of a Fighter Pilot for example. He does not survive well without it in the real world. So meerly saying rote memorization is all you guys focus on in the end of training is probably not the case. I would venture to say that after this program is complete with all your skills and rote memory knowledge you know have the opportunity as a team standardized together to mesh on another level of basic pride, advanced learning together and communication improvement etc... (Standardization at a certain level is priceless when in the right control of good leadership and good followership)

 

I have much more fun when my wingman and I are in the same boat of knowledge and basic skill level....

 

Respectfully my humble opinion,

"44th_Rooster"

Edited September 1, 2010 by 44th_Rooster

[Heli Shed]

Seriously folks..... A Flightsim or game whatever the heck you want to call it was built not out of fresh imagination like Star Wars or something like that....

 

It was built to MIRROR a few things from the Real World. The Radar was built in the real world to Operate and provide certain features for the Operator...

 

So when you have a flightsim that tries to simulate a few things on a Radar you can Operate it how ever you want...

 

Operate using what we claim is real world procedures or a mix thereof...

 

Or Operate it however you want...

 

Please don't post telling me about how your terminology calls FC2 a game instead of a flightsim etc... Or that the Eagle Radar in FC2 is porked really bad to the point of not being called an Eagle Radar... That is not my intention to talk any of that. You are not telling me anything I haven't thought of........... but I will say that I Certainly haven't lived with Mom in Decades hehe

 

So that being said. To each his own and I do agree with Tyger and his program... but I understand that it is not very sensitive to those lacking skills or not fully understand the depth and reasoning behind the training philosophy etc...

 

Tyger MAY NOT be as sensitive to peoples emotions same as GG and myself about skill level and discipline, but I must say that there is something to all this so called standardization thing...

 

Lots of Rote memorization and flow verify switchology methodology and constant problem solving and analysis in a cockpit is the BACKBONE of a Fighter Pilot for example. He does not survive well without it in the real world. So meerly saying rote memorization is all you guys focus on in the end of training is probably not the case. I would venture to say that after this program is complete with all your skills and rote memory knowledge you know have the opportunity as a team standardized together to mesh on another level of basic pride, advanced learning together and communication improvement etc... (Standardization at a certain level is priceless when in the right control of good leadership and good followership)

 

I have much more fun when my wingman and I are in the same boat of knowledge and basic skill level....

 

Respectfully my humble opinion,

"44th_Rooster"

 

At this point i come back, and say quite simply "+1:thumbup:!"