Wishlist - ForceFeedback - Coordinated Turn

[sinelnic]

Hello ED, fellow forumites,

 

I´ve always had issues with coordinated turns, mainly because doing it right demands looking down to the instrument panel, and as I normally fly with a narrow FOV through the HUD, glancing down means I loose all other references (roll angle, heading, etc) unless I switch my mind to full instrument flying, which is unnatural.

 

I´ve never piloted an aircraft myself, but I believe (correct me!) that you can feel an uncoordinated turn with your body as lateral force. My suggestion is basically adding that feedback to the FF algorythms.

 

So, in OPTIONAL manner, would it be possible to add a FF force component in the roll joystick axis proportional to the sideslip the aircraft has? The idea is not to make the roll axis FF only for this feedback, but that this feedback is added to the current feedbacks, in order to provide a rough indication of sideslip. You´d still need to check the little bubble for precision, just as in RL I believe.

 

Would this be practical? Does anybody else care?

 

Thanks!

[Avilator]

Idk about the force feedback idea, but I can say that the lateral force you feel in an uncoordinated turn depends on the aircraft. The only things I've flown are Cessna 172s, which are not easy to slip or skid. Fly something with more adverse yaw, and you will definitely feel it.

[Kaiza]

Yeah this could work. In a real aircraft if you fly out of balance then the yawing moment will also create a rolling moment which you have to correct with aileron. So if you wanted to fly out of balance you would have to add some roll to compensate and fly straight. This is commonly called "crabing" and is a technique for crosswind landing. The reason this occurs is because when you fly out of balance you are presenting more wing at a flatter angle to the relative air flow which will in turn create more lift from one wing and less from the other, rolling the aircraft.

 

So yeah it would work, because in a real aircraft flying out of rudder trim will cause you to roll. DCS Black Shark gives you a good indication of balance just by the looking at the terrain and how the aircraft is tracking, however you need to have a good view of the ground to do this, so not so good for high level.

Edited July 28, 2010 by Kaiza

[slug88]

Perhaps this could be tied into the current so called "natural head movement"? Right now it aligns your view such that the horizon is level, but instead it could be made to follow the direction of the net force. In other words, the view would roll to the left or to the right in uncoordinated turns, and stay aligned with the cockpit when in a balanced turn.

[Prophet]

Perhaps this could be tied into the current so called "natural head movement"? Right now it aligns your view such that the horizon is level, but instead it could be made to follow the direction of the net force. In other words, the view would roll to the left or to the right in uncoordinated turns, and stay aligned with the cockpit when in a balanced turn.

 

Thats a good idea. I wonder if its possible for them to implement something like this?

[jocko417]

You're assuming that you'd need to coordinate turns yourself in an A-10. Wouldn't the stab/aug systems take care of any adverse yaw like the yaw dampers in any modern aircraft?

[Avilator]

^^^^I believe that is the case. But then you need to coordinate it yourself when SAS fails/gets shot out.