The F-15 and MP gameplay

[RIPTIDE]

Moa u think Russian have not tested the F15 to the death or F16 :)

Ninja edit FTW.

[Frostie]

The AMRAAM is not a 21st century weapon nor the radar is. The modeled radar is vanilla APG-63 while the C AMRAAM first apeared still in the 90's.

FC2's AMRAAM with its range, gimbals etc. is supposedly the AIM-120-C5 which is most definately a 21st century weapon.

[Pilotasso]

wheres that written? AFAIK ED only said it was AIM-120C, no C5, and IMHO is irrelevant since the actual ranges of those variants are still classified and we cant tell which from which anyway.

Edited August 25, 2010 by Pilotasso

[tflash]

I voted for the unlikely/unpopular allowing R-77 on Su-27, for the simple reason that I do not think that would be that far of the mark.

 

Many Su-27 derivatives can carry the missile; OK, Su-27SM does have other avionics but so does the real F-15C carrying AIM-120C.

 

A conflict with China would see J-11 with probably some R-77 like missile, so it makes sense, in a simulation game, to try out this threat.

 

It is not a historically realistic load, but then again it is no fantasy load like putting Amraam on a Su-25.

 

Besides, there are many similar departures from reality in the game: what about the "reality" of the Su-25T threat of which I guess only a very limited number are still flying?

 

I would say that if adding R-77 to Su-27 would make the game suddenly an arcade game, then it is an arcade game already.

[Sov13t]

wheres that written? AFAIK ED only said it was AIM-120C, no C5, and IMHO is irrelevant since the actual ranges of those variants are still classified and we cant tell which from which anyway.

 

Both GG and Developers have stated that it is C5. Only C5 got a range boost over AIM-120B due to bigger engine which was guesstimated to 20%/30% by the developers. C5 has the bigger engine and deliveries of it began in 2000. So... Frostie's statement has validity.

 

One of the links I was able to find quickly: http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=816719&postcount=39

[Frostie]

wheres that written?

That is classified.

Sorry you don't have clearance.:P

 

 

I voted for the unlikely/unpopular allowing R-77 on Su-27, for the simple reason that I do not think that would be that far of the mark.

I like this idea as a potential scenario, that is the beauty of FC its free for us to explore with whatever scenario we would like to portray.

I don't believe we should have a singular over-riding rule such as limiting 120's etc.

The freedom to dream up and make challenging and interesting scenarios is where we should be putting our opinions.

Edited August 25, 2010 by Frostie

[Pilotasso]

Both GG and Developers have stated that it is C5. Only C5 got a range boost over AIM-120B due to bigger engine which was guesstimated to 20%/30% by the developers. C5 has the bigger engine and deliveries of it began in 2000. So... Frostie's statement has validity.

 

One of the links I was able to find quickly: http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=816719&postcount=39

 

The year 2000 still belongs to the 20th century. ;)

 

But yeah I take your point but take mine in your turn. The Su-27S/P variants are still flying today in greater quantities for RuAF. So this I think should not affect mission building unless you target the 80's.

[Teknetinium]

The year 2000 still belongs to the 20th century. ;)

 

But yeah I take your point but take mine in your turn. The Su-27S/P variants are still flying today in greater quantities for RuAF. So this I think should not affect mission building unless you target the 80's.

 

 

 

Pilotasso forget how many are flying we fly Ka50 in DCS, they are less them Su-27SM. And Mig-29 SMT.

[Krippz]

Mig-31 SARH TWS lunches guided by datalink in ur face from 140 km. I will not talk about the new missiles developed in 90s that will hit from even grater ranges.

 

Agains't a manuvering target....I don't think so.

[MoGas]

Moa u think Russian specialist have not tested the F-14 ,F15 or F-16 to the death :)

 

Mig-31 based on mig-25 would give u nightmares in ur dreams. Even F-15E would not be able to handle it.

Mig-31 SARH TWS lunches guided by datalink in ur face from 140 km. I will not talk about the new missiles developed in 90s that will hit from even grater ranges. If you would try to have a war you would regret it. Lets be frinds insted so Russians can Buy American radars and British engines and Americans can by Russian aerodynamic and we get best of two worlds. Missiles thou that is not for sale :)

 

 

Godbless, a MiG-25 or MiG-31 with a turn rate like texas, with a TWS SARH shot from 140km on a F-15, the F-15 would not be able to handle it?

 

please

[GGTharos]

This is starting to stray a bit beyond explanations and discussion so - back on topic.

[Exorcet]

My vote is for realism. I don't see anything wrong with what's being done now. The F-15 version modeled in FC2 is better than the Su-27/MiG modeled.

 

That said, I don't have a problem with creative mission editing involving lopsided numbers and limitations on one side that aren't present on the other. So long as it's realistic, it is good.