Need a big favour!

[hachiman]

Hi.

 

I need a big favor. I basically am struggling with the flying in the game. I can take off, and shoot planes down, and hit things on the ground. But I can’t fly well. Particularly in ground attack mode and particularly the SU-25 models.

 

If I fly level towards a ground target perhaps to use cannons’missiles or rockets i either dip down, unless I increase speed and that pushes my nose up. I’d love to just fly straight and level at constant height and speed. However even if I press “H” for constant height,then I need to do a fast speed or again my height starts to decrease. I watch the training videos and the tutor has things nice and level and seems to be able to shoot 2 maybe 3 Vikhrs off and I am lucky if I get 1 before I’m zooming over the target. I can trim to a point in level flight, but if dip my nose to line up the target, then I get the corresponding speed increase and I also find these finer lining up movements hard.

 

With bombing I am maybe coming in at too shallow an angle and not getting the launch authed or I come in at too steep an angle which again increases speed and have maybe a second or 2 to try and get the pipper on a target before I have to pull out the dive.

 

I’m sure in LOMAC you could press H for hold height and also J for hold speed, but I don’t think you can do any in the SU-25 and just 1 or the other in the T model and not both.

 

What I’d really like is to fly with someone who tells me what I am doing wrong. I am available 7 nights a week 1900-2300 GMT. Although I am just asking for maybe 1-2 hours help in total. Or alternativey I record tracks and someon watches them. Although I am not sure if you can see the cockpit controls with these. I can use ventrilo or teamspeak.

 

Appreciated.

[mvsgas]

There are many guys flying around on the 104 that can help you.

I'm normally there but late night or early mourning because I work night shift.

 

Now about altitude hold

SU-25T should have it, not the SU-25 ( original)

At what speed you are going into the attack?

You should not use altitude hold and /or auto throttles, it develops dependency on it ( just my two cent, you should do what is fun of course)

Could join the 104 right now?

It is 1244 GMT Sep 09 here (5:45 AM Arizona time)

Edited September 9, 2010 by mvsgas

[bengo]

Look in the manual for a good explanation of the autopilot panel of the SU25-T. I find that very helpfull when flying. See page 59 to 62. The SU25T autopilot is quite different from the standard SU25 as it has the AFM. Your timings make me think you're located somewhere in Europe, yes ?

With all that available time you seem to have, I'd recommend joining a squadron. It will dramatically change the way you experience flying a sim. It's a lot of fun, and makes learning the ins and outs a lot easier.

Edited September 9, 2010 by bengo

[hachiman]

Hi Guys. I'd be happy to fly with anyone to make myself better. But wouldn't want to commit myself to a squadron as it wouldn't be fair on them. Thanx again for replies.

[hachiman]

Is there I list of virtual squadrons Anywhere?

[Sov13t]

Is there I list of virtual squadrons Anywhere?

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=34062

[hachiman]

Thanx Soviet!!

[mvsgas]

The SU25T autopilot is quite different from the standard SU25 as it has the AFM.

 

hachiman, are you using FC2? Both, SU-25 and SU-25T have AFM in FC2, that is why I ask. SU-25 does not have auto pilot also.

[hachiman]

FC2 yes. AFM? Advanced Flight Modelling?

[159th_Viper]

Identify a specific issue/s you're experiencing and need assistance with and then capture a short track of said issue. Once you've saved the track (try and keep it short to avoid any possible failures/inconsistencies at replay), post it here on the forum together with a short description of help needed/advice sought. We will then download and have a look at said track. That way we can see as oppose to listen and will be better able to assist :)

[51GRIZZLY]

Is there I list of virtual squadrons Anywhere?

 

http://www.serik.dk/

 

Look in Online squadrons

[Kuky]

Few hints on flying the Su-25 is first, have a good stick and preferably one that requires some force (very light sticks are not good as you need to feel a bit just much you're pulling on the stick). Then you need to trim... what I use is trim down/up and most of the time my hands are just lightly holding the stick... unless I am turning etc.

 

When you target something you need to plan your attack, you need to think what are the threats, what's the first target you should shoot at, preferably from further away with stand off weapons.. then also need to train yourself that id there are few threats that can shot you down, you target only 1 at the time, and each time extend.

 

Since these two aircraft have AFM you need to respect the aircraft flight model more and not "abuse it"... you can't pull on the stick to the max like in other aircraft as the aircraft will not be very responsive and will likely start stalling/banking and taking you where you don't wanna go (it's start to roll and invert and you'll find yourself in a spin, a dive etc and you'll lose altitude and if there's anything bellow that can kill you in that moment, it will)

 

Plan your ingress... plan what weapon you're gonna shoot and at what (intel on area is very important, and if you don't know know what's out there assume the worst and take small steps - read one target at the time every pass).

 

if you get shot at don't panic... if you planned your egress also it's likely that you will make it out alive.. and if damaged you have to RTB... that's my 2c on this and how I fly it most of the time, and it works for me nicely.

[hachiman]

Identify a specific issue/s you're experiencing and need assistance with and then capture a short track of said issue. Once you've saved the track post it here on the forum together with a short description of help needed/advice sought. We will then download and have a look at said track. That way we can see as oppose to listen and will be better able to assist :)

 

I did a short track of 3 attack runs. I was trying to use the VIKHR. I totally get out out of trim at the start so try not to chuckle.

 

1st attack run i get of 1 VIKHR, but then accidentally change missile type which was a pure fluke on this track and not a normal occurence. Notice i tend to dive in. I luckily come up with a cluster bomb just as i fly over the targets so what the hell.

 

2nd attack I fly over the sea and gain some height while i come round for my 2nd attack. This time i get a couple of shots off although again always losing height as i tend to do my diving manouver. Notice the moving of left to right as i try and get the locked target to move into the circle on the hud to get missile launch.

 

3rd attack is basically a repeat of attack 2. 2 shots off and a diving attack with movement to left and right to move the locked target into the Hud circle.

 

So thats most of my problem. The diving attack while trying to keep the target locked. I get so low i get grass burns or nearly end up in the water.

 

 

Thanx

SU25T.trk

[GhostDog]

As far as I can see, you're climbing too steeply and losing airspeed too quickly. Kuky addressed this in his response:

 

Since these two aircraft have AFM you need to respect the aircraft flight model more and not "abuse it"... you can't pull on the stick to the max like in other aircraft as the aircraft will not be very responsive and will likely start stalling/banking and taking you where you don't wanna go (it's start to roll and invert and you'll find yourself in a spin, a dive etc and you'll lose altitude and if there's anything bellow that can kill you in that moment, it will)

 

The Su-25T is top heavy to begin with, and it handles poorly when it's fully loaded. Maybe you should try extending further when you set up your attack, and climb to your attack altitude at about 20 deg attitude, while keeping your airspeed above 350 kph. Extending your flaps one notch as you ingress should help also.

Edited September 11, 2010 by GhostDog

[hachiman]

Give it a bash. Cheers Ghost

Edited September 12, 2010 by hachiman

[hachiman]

Could someone explain a few of the Autopilot modes in the Su-25T please?

 

1+LAlt Attitude Hold

2+LAlt Altitude and Roll Hold

3+LAlt Transistion to Level Flight

 

Think these modes could help me. Also can i turn these off by pressiing the same buttons or do i have to disengage Autopilot?

 

Thanx

[Sarge55]

Attitude Hold - will maintain what ever configuration you are in when you set it ie. if you are climbing at 5deg and banking at 15deg you will climb slowly in a circle.

 

Altitude Hold and Roll Hold - will maintain the same altitude while you bank, good for waiting for clearance.

 

Transition to Level Flight - Kind of self explanitory but if you are badly out of trim you can set this to get you back to a centered trim but it takes time (don't do it while in contact with the enemy). Russian A/C version of trim reset.

 

You have to disengage them they are not toggled on/off switches.

[bengo]

Could someone explain a few of the Autopilot modes in the Su-25T please?

 

1+LAlt Attitude Hold

2+LAlt Altitude and Roll Hold

3+LAlt Transistion to Level Flight

 

Think these modes could help me. Also can i turn these off by pressiing the same buttons or do i have to disengage Autopilot?

 

Thanx

 

Good work Sarge.

As said before in this thread : pages 59 to 62 in the FC2 manual: great explanation of the autopilot system for the SU25T. I again recommend you to read it as things like "combat steering" and "terrain avoidance" get explained really well in there.

[hachiman]

Cheers Sarge and Bengo!