Please tell me...

[Speed]

... that the laser doesn't burn out in the Lightining II pod. :mad: I've always figured that the laser in the Ka-50 is either deliberately undermodeled to burn out more quickly (as in, Russian government forced ED to undermodel the laser) or the laser in the Ka-50 is a really obsolete piece of crap with terrible efficiency and an even worse cooling system, but hey, I am no laser thermal management expert. Anyway, am I guessing correctly that the laser in the lightning pod does not have thermal/overheating/burnout issues? If it does, is it something we will encounter with normal use or not?

[Mercury]

Ka-50 is a 20th century weapon. Its expected to be crappier than most gunships.

 

ED's job to recreate those weapons in the highest fidelity, not to make them superweapons.

Edited September 28, 2010 by Mercury

[sungsam]

Only the 1st production model that DCS emulates, and only as much as it concerns the Targeting systems of this model. Ka-50 has sustained improvments and upgrades during service times like Ka-50 Sh or Erdogan exportable edition etc. On flight characteristics it is still unbeatable ... in my opinion.

[Boberro]

Has Erdogan ever been exported? I know Russia failed to contract with Turkey.

Overall about chopper - I think Kamov wouldn't show all resources, I mean FULL documentation - maybe some parts are still valuable for RuAF. However I may be wrong though. Anyway laser is really big piece of crap :)

[GGTharos]

Ka-50 has sustained improvments and upgrades during service times like Ka-50 Sh or Erdogan exportable edition etc.

 

It has not. Those are experimental/demo models and Erdogan is a paper model.

 

On flight characteristics it is still unbeatable ... in my opinion.

 

It has its advantages, but there's not much to write home about.

[coolts]

... that the laser doesn't burn out in the Lightining II pod. :mad: I've always figured that the laser in the Ka-50 is either deliberately undermodeled to burn out more quickly (as in, Russian government forced ED to undermodel the laser) or the laser in the Ka-50 is a really obsolete piece of crap with terrible efficiency and an even worse cooling system, but hey, I am no laser thermal management expert. Anyway, am I guessing correctly that the laser in the lightning pod does not have thermal/overheating/burnout issues? If it does, is it something we will encounter with normal use or not?

 

Try the laser in the AFM SU-25T in comparison! You are spoilt in the KA-50:)

 

Its, activate, fire one, its overheating, fire two. Switch off, extend, jink, dump flares and repeat.

 

I have enough faith in ED to model whats there. If its an operational limitiation in the real aircraft, ED wont leave it out unless they figure it isnt important, and a targetting system mainstay is very important.

[sungsam]

It has not. Those are experimental/demo models and Erdogan is a paper model.

 

 

 

It has its advantages, but there's not much to write home about.

 

 

 

Now I see. I have seen this Erdogan photo previously, and I thought that it was a protoype not a 1:1 maket ! :renske:

Ok, since the deal with Turkey has failed ........

 

Edited September 28, 2010 by sungsam

[power5]

That is BA right there. Is there something that limits carrying 4 vihkr pods?

[Boberro]

Cables and moveable pylons :)

Edited September 28, 2010 by Boberro

[Krunkskimo]

What is this mystical burnout everyone speaks of?

 

i've never had it happen to me

[Speed]

What is this mystical burnout everyone speaks of?

 

i've never had it happen to me

 

Survive long enough in a mission where you do not run out of targets and it will.

[Speed]

It has not. Those are experimental/demo models and Erdogan is a paper model.

 

 

 

It has its advantages, but there's not much to write home about.

 

So are you not allowed to speak on whether or not the laser burns out in DCS: A-10C? Perhaps I should rephrase the question: To your knowledge, is there an issue with laser burn out on the real life Lightning II pod? ;)

[GGTharos]

Not insofar as I know, and if there is, it is likely protected by software. Then again, a lot of lasers have had cooling issues that needed to be taken into account by engineers, so who knows.

[mvsgas]

AFAIK, all high power lasers have a cooling period and a fire time limit. Even the ABL test aircraft. This are lasers that can send energy 20+ miles and still cause eye damaged just by the reflecting energy.

Edited January 25, 2011 by mvsgas

[Squid_DK]

Even the laser RF systems om MBT's have cooling down periods and burst limits, on the M-1A1 it is something like 5 rangings in 60 seconds, also nicely simulated in SB Pro PE where I have fried more than my fair share of LRF's and having had to rely on backup sights. A true pain when you're up against any decent equiptment.

 

Staffan

Edited September 28, 2010 by Danish_Squid

[power5]

I have never had a laser burn out either. Must be just lucky.

 

So besides expense, nothing limits having 4 pods. ruskies need to open the checkbooks. :)

[GGTharos]

You mean besides an expensive and unnecessary recabling in the airframe?

 

You don't need 4 pods. If you do, you're not flying a sim, you're quaking ;)

[Boberro]

I don't get it - let's say we have identical pylons. What stops you from adding 4 meters more cable to pylon? It can't be expensive overall...

[GGTharos]

After the helicopter is already built? What stops you from tearing your helicopter apart and soldering new cables to the WCS only to find that it too needs to be either reprogrammed or re-designed to handle this, and it all has to be re-tested at great cost?

 

I don't know, you tell me ;)

 

This stuff isn't like programming we do on our PC's or small electronics repairs. It's always complex and costly - and once more - completely un-necessary.

[Boberro]

I meant in production phase - adding few meters of cables seems relative small cost compared to effects. Look at Ah-64 - it can carry 4x4 Hellfires. It adds more power that 2x Hellfire :)

[GGTharos]

I'm betting on the 'not necessary' part. They simply didn't need them and saved some weight and complexity on it. If you notice how Ka-50 flies today, it really doesn't use the 6x6 config ... more like 2x2.

[159th_Viper]

.....Look at Ah-64 - it can carry 4x4 Hellfires. It adds more power that 2x Hellfire :)

 

Difference is that the Apache will fire all those Hellfires at once and run like the clappers........The Kamov cannot afford to loiter around for the time it will take to launch 24 Vikhrs, not unless it's willing to get clubbed by all and sundry.

 

Above grossly-oversimplified but you get the jist I assume :)

[Speed]

Difference is that the Apache will fire all those Hellfires at once and run like the clappers........The Kamov cannot afford to loiter around for the time it will take to launch 24 Vikhrs, not unless it's willing to get clubbed by all and sundry.

 

Above grossly-oversimplified but you get the jist I assume :)

 

But hasn't the Apache always been able to carry 16 laser hellfires?

[159th_Viper]

But hasn't the Apache always been able to carry 16 laser hellfires?

 

Ripple-fire with LOAL-DIR delivery mode I would have thought.

[Avilator]

But hasn't the Apache always been able to carry 16 laser hellfires?

 

Yes it can, and the Longbow radar can target them all at once.