capsilus Posted October 1, 2010 Posted October 1, 2010 So I unboxed my new toy last night and loaded up FC2 with Asus 120Hz lcd with nvidia vision 3d and it's of the wall. I couldn't go to sleep, just about missed work in the morning. http://ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=54802&vpn=VG236H&manufacture=ASUS http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=6529575&CatId=4231 Granted when in cockpit view is doesn't work as it's only 2D but everything else was breathtaking. Never mind sitting on the runway at full idle with all rails loaded, the sidewinder hanging of the wing right in my face as I was panning around the simmod a10 I had the biggest grin on my face all night. The 3D effect is great for flight sims, as soon as I was air born you could really feel the height. :D I can wait to see how A10-c is going to look, with the 3d cockpit it should be a 100%
zakobi Posted October 1, 2010 Posted October 1, 2010 Try with dcs: bs for a start ;) I've heard some talking about they can be tiering to the eyes. How are they with long use?
sweinhart3 Posted October 2, 2010 Posted October 2, 2010 I never had any problem with my set. But some say they do. So it doesnt affect everyone. Intel i7 990X, 6GB DDR3, Nvidia GTX 470 x2 SLI, Win 7 x64 http://picasaweb.google.com/sweinhart
diveplane Posted October 2, 2010 Posted October 2, 2010 (edited) i tried 3d glasses few years back and it was gimmick garbage. maybe todays sets are improved , but i noticed you got to buy a 3d display as well for them, pass on that. Edited October 2, 2010 by diveplane https://www.youtube.com/user/diveplane11 DCS Audio Modding.
topdog Posted October 2, 2010 Posted October 2, 2010 So I unboxed my new toy last night and loaded up FC2 with Asus 120Hz lcd with nvidia vision 3d and it's of the wall. I couldn't go to sleep, just about missed work in the morning. Why must you toy with me! Seriously, I was just about settled on taking the plunge when suddenly I saw some naysayers mentioning about how the information you get to see is now only half as bright, that it doesn't work well enough, or that the alternating eye flicker sent some users insane. Then there's a post like this, and I'm involuntarily reaching for my debit card again... :D :joystick: [ i7 2600k 4.6GHz :: 16GB Mushkin Blackline LV :: EVGA GTX 1080ti 11GB ] [ TM Warthog / Saitek Rudder :: Oculus Rift :: Obutto cockpit :: Acer HN274H 27" 120Hz :: 3D Vision Ready ]
sweinhart3 Posted October 2, 2010 Posted October 2, 2010 IMO some of it is exagerated but each persons perspective is a little different. In theory you are only receiving half the amount of light because at any one given point in time part of your eye is covered. That said, Im sure everyone has looked at a rotating fan. The faster it goes, the less you can see it and despite the fact that the blades cover half or more of it's circumferance you can see right through it and if you didnt know any better, you might not know there were blades spinning. So yes you do lose some contrast but imo, not nearly enough to just dismiss it. With the exception of the hud being rendered close up rather than appearing to be far out which causes problems when your trying to target a vehicle, (I heard this was fixed with the last patch but I dont know since I no longer have a compatible display) I personally found 3D to be breathtaking and enhance the feeling of flight by 100%. I also found the flicker to be so slight that it didnt bother me. But other people have different opinions and expectations so all I can really say is that you have to try it yourself and make your own decision about it. Everyone else's opinion on it is rather subjective to their own tastes. Intel i7 990X, 6GB DDR3, Nvidia GTX 470 x2 SLI, Win 7 x64 http://picasaweb.google.com/sweinhart
Callsign.Vega Posted October 2, 2010 Posted October 2, 2010 I tried DCS:BS / FS-X etc in 3d. It was cool for a day or so but the effect wore off after I realized how many detractors the technology has. Pro: 3d image Cons's: Just about every single aspect you can think of regarding a display is negatively altered. Don't feel like posting the whole laundry list again. Not to mention with 3d you are limited to tiny 1080p displays. GPU: RTX 4090 - 3,000 MHz core / 12,000 MHz VRAM. CPU: 7950X3d - 5.2 GHz X3d, 5.8 GHz secondary / MB: ASUS Crosshair X670E Gene / RAM: G.Skill 48GB 6400 MHz SSD: Intel Optane P5800X - 800GB VR: Pimax Crystal CONTROLS: VPC MongoosT-50CM3 Base / VPC Constellation ALPHA Prime Grip / VPC MongoosT-50CM3 Throttle / TM Pendular Rudders
sweinhart3 Posted October 2, 2010 Posted October 2, 2010 I tried DCS:BS / FS-X etc in 3d. It was cool for a day or so but the effect wore off after I realized how many detractors the technology has. Pro: 3d image Cons's: Just about every single aspect you can think of regarding a display is negatively altered. Don't feel like posting the whole laundry list again. Not to mention with 3d you are limited to tiny 1080p displays. Dunno where you get that idea from. I used a 65" DLP tv. Nvidia will be supporting any of the 3D tvs on the market. Intel i7 990X, 6GB DDR3, Nvidia GTX 470 x2 SLI, Win 7 x64 http://picasaweb.google.com/sweinhart
Frazer Posted October 2, 2010 Posted October 2, 2010 What about FPS & flying over cities? Forum | Videos | DCS:BS Demo1 / Demo2 | YouTube Channel [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
sweinhart3 Posted October 2, 2010 Posted October 2, 2010 If I recall it took between a 10-15fps drop when I used mine but I was still getting about 20-25fps. Having a decent video card will help. Again that was before the latest patch so I dont know what is using the current version so it shouldnt be as bad since the last patch helped fps a lot.. Intel i7 990X, 6GB DDR3, Nvidia GTX 470 x2 SLI, Win 7 x64 http://picasaweb.google.com/sweinhart
zakobi Posted October 2, 2010 Posted October 2, 2010 Why must you toy with me! Seriously, I was just about settled on taking the plunge when suddenly I saw some naysayers mentioning about how the information you get to see is now only half as bright, that it doesn't work well enough, or that the alternating eye flicker sent some users insane. Then there's a post like this, and I'm involuntarily reaching for my debit card again... :D :joystick: Try ask a local dealer if you can borrow / get a demonstration. And to the comment about size: you can setup 3 screen for "3d surround" with normal screens, setup a projector that is capable of 3d or simply get three of those projectors :D
distant Posted October 4, 2010 Posted October 4, 2010 Hi all, I'm glad to see this thread already here. Anyone had a chance to test the Beta A10C with the Nvidia 3DVision setup yet? How does it look in 3D? Is it total 3D compliant or are there any 2D objects sitting around? I'm so ready to pull the trigger.
SinCityJet Posted October 5, 2010 Posted October 5, 2010 Hi all, I'm glad to see this thread already here. Anyone had a chance to test the Beta A10C with the Nvidia 3DVision setup yet? How does it look in 3D? Is it total 3D compliant or are there any 2D objects sitting around? I'm so ready to pull the trigger. I'll check it out with an Acer 5360 projector (720p3D) as soon as the download finishes.. sometime tomorrow. Upgrading Flight Sim computers since the Apple ][.
Callsign.Vega Posted October 5, 2010 Posted October 5, 2010 Try ask a local dealer if you can borrow / get a demonstration. And to the comment about size: you can setup 3 screen for "3d surround" with normal screens, setup a projector that is capable of 3d or simply get three of those projectors :D I did not mean physical screen size. I meant your limited to only 1080p resolution which is quite low for the detail needed for a flight sim. They just released 1080p 3d projectors at a cost of like 5 grand. 720p 3d projectors have been out for a while but that is super tiny resolution. GPU: RTX 4090 - 3,000 MHz core / 12,000 MHz VRAM. CPU: 7950X3d - 5.2 GHz X3d, 5.8 GHz secondary / MB: ASUS Crosshair X670E Gene / RAM: G.Skill 48GB 6400 MHz SSD: Intel Optane P5800X - 800GB VR: Pimax Crystal CONTROLS: VPC MongoosT-50CM3 Base / VPC Constellation ALPHA Prime Grip / VPC MongoosT-50CM3 Throttle / TM Pendular Rudders
capsilus Posted October 5, 2010 Author Posted October 5, 2010 Why must you toy with me! Seriously, I was just about settled on taking the plunge when suddenly I saw some naysayers mentioning about how the information you get to see is now only half as bright, that it doesn't work well enough, or that the alternating eye flicker sent some users insane. Then there's a post like this, and I'm involuntarily reaching for my debit card again... :D :joystick: topdog, not toying with you and don't listen to the haters. I was a bit skeptical myself but if you don't get 3D vision you will be missing out big time. It's only a matter of time anyway now. Looks like a big push for 3D is going down this fall anyway. Think, that's all you going to see and hear this holiday season, 3D screens everywhere except your place. Anyway, to give you a bit more info. I can't stop installing games. everything is a blast now. I would have never even played say a game like Just Cause 2 but holly shit in 3D it's amazing. You see so much more detail and the level of immersion can't be explained. much better than what you get in the theater. For one, there is 0 eye strain, no shutter at all and everything looks nice and solid. If i was getting any eye strain or it wasn't good I wouldn't be bumping it. To tell you the truth I feel like my vision has improved over the last few days, call me crazy but that's my experience. Look, I got it for $529 + taxes, and this is the kit I was talking about. http://ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=54802&vpn=VG236H&manufacture=ASUS This package is nvidia approved. And the monitor alone is so nice, has that glossy look so makes all your graphics that much better. controls are also very slick but read some more reviews on tiger direct and take peak at the nvidia forums. There's a big crowd now. Also nvidia is incredible when it comes to support and drivers. there is lots of control and you can tweak and adjust everything. There are custom profiles to every game and you can make your own. There some problems with cross airs in the older fps games but there are work around's and nvidia has 3d laster cursers for replacement. but newer games like BFBC2 or Just Cause2 all use proper 3d cross airs. Let me be honest, if you have a full time job, and not living pay check to pay check at less then $600 this package is the most fun thing I bought this year. Even my girl is hating on 3D because that's all I have on my mind. People say it's gimmick they don't know what they are talking about. One last thing, I'm running a quad core q9400 2.66 with 8gb ddr2, xfx mobo and sli 465 GTX and I'm getting perfect smoothing experience. So yea, if you have a semi nice system and $600 that you don't need for rent do yourself a favor and get one. You will never look back. 1
capsilus Posted October 5, 2010 Author Posted October 5, 2010 Downloading A10C now, I will let you guys know how well it works but with the 3D cockpit this should be sweet. Also regarding brightness issues as some people have stated before there really is no problem like that with the Asus VG236H, this lcd is so bright that I only run it at 65% brightness when working, if you jumping into a game or 3D vision in general you can turn it up to 100% and not see any dimming that you would be concerned about.
Frazer Posted October 6, 2010 Posted October 6, 2010 I'm saving money for 3D but I have one question for you. What if you combine the 3D with a touch panel? Could you do a test for me and get the 3D "deepness" setup in a way that when you look straight at one button (supposing you got Track IR) it will be on the glass of your screen? If that works I would be very happy. I never really wanted to build a cockpit since I like to fly different planes (that's why the touch panel), I love 3D and I would be very happy to have a "HOTASAS" (Hands On Throttle And Stick And Screen) :D Thanks in advance! Forum | Videos | DCS:BS Demo1 / Demo2 | YouTube Channel [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
sweinhart3 Posted October 6, 2010 Posted October 6, 2010 Not sure what you mean by that. But with Blackshark the instrument panel appears to come out of your screen toward you. The screen surface is on the same dimension as your front windshield. Intel i7 990X, 6GB DDR3, Nvidia GTX 470 x2 SLI, Win 7 x64 http://picasaweb.google.com/sweinhart
Frazer Posted October 6, 2010 Posted October 6, 2010 Not sure what you mean by that. But with Blackshark the instrument panel appears to come out of your screen toward you. The screen surface is on the same dimension as your front windshield. Hmmm, yea that is what I was afraid of. It would be eigther a touch panel (screen) or 3D...... I know you can adjust the amount of 3D effect, and maybe place the cockpit more backwards, would that help any? Thanks for your answer :) Forum | Videos | DCS:BS Demo1 / Demo2 | YouTube Channel [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
aaron886 Posted October 6, 2010 Posted October 6, 2010 What about lost pixel precision? If there's a tiny speck of a tank against earth at 5 miles, could you see it as precisely as you could with a 2d screen?
distant Posted October 7, 2010 Posted October 7, 2010 Guys, any update on this Warhog 3D compatibility?
Kiezer Posted October 22, 2010 Posted October 22, 2010 I have not seen anything special with Nvidia 3D on DCS A10, I have been playing about with it for a couple of hours. It gets a "good" rating from Nvidia which basicaly means nothing bad happens. Also it says that target icons will still be in 2D, so no harm done there. But like I said, there is nothing special. Nothing really jumps out when you are in the cockpit, it might look better when flying with others but as of right now, I would not go out and buy a 3D monitor and Nvidia 3d VisionJUST for DCS A-10. By all means if you want to play other games in 3D (which I recomend - its fantastic) then go ahead and get the equipment but if its JUST for DCS A-10 then don't. Mind you this is still the Beta so watch this space. hope this helps! My failed attempts to get the GRcade community into flight sims :joystick:
Frazer Posted October 22, 2010 Posted October 22, 2010 Frazer, what you want to do can be a real pain. Even the mouse is difficult to use as you have to aim between two mouse pointers because it has no depth information and is always at screen depth (although is something you get used to) But using you own finger would be even worse. Ah, got ya. Thanks for that info! I guess it will be either 3D or touch ;) Forum | Videos | DCS:BS Demo1 / Demo2 | YouTube Channel [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
remon Posted October 24, 2010 Posted October 24, 2010 What about lost pixel precision? If there's a tiny speck of a tank against earth at 5 miles, could you see it as precisely as you could with a 2d screen? I believe that wouldn't be a problem as you can't see 3d at 5 miles, so the eyes will probably get the same information for that distance.
distant Posted October 24, 2010 Posted October 24, 2010 Nice to see another 3D gamer here. Are you saying the emitter was activated (green light solid, glasses shutter) but there is no depth whatsoever? That's sad news. The game would look 1000X fold better in stereo3D. I don't know what the hell ED is doing to the A10C game but Blackshark works plenty fine with 3D Vision and my open letter to ED is completely ignored. Not a good way to deal with fan and customer. I've been buying all their products so far even back from Flanker days. An acknowledgement would be just fine, a no or a yes, really, what does it take? I have not seen anything special with Nvidia 3D on DCS A10, I have been playing about with it for a couple of hours. It gets a "good" rating from Nvidia which basicaly means nothing bad happens. Also it says that target icons will still be in 2D, so no harm done there. But like I said, there is nothing special. Nothing really jumps out when you are in the cockpit, it might look better when flying with others but as of right now, I would not go out and buy a 3D monitor and Nvidia 3d VisionJUST for DCS A-10. By all means if you want to play other games in 3D (which I recomend - its fantastic) then go ahead and get the equipment but if its JUST for DCS A-10 then don't. Mind you this is still the Beta so watch this space. hope this helps!
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