getting wingman to do a recon!

[Bee_Sting]

i heard that you can get the wingman to recon at different points! i know how to get him to recon right in front of me,but how do you get him to recon a point on the map? do you always have to point your nose in the direction you want him to recon or put in a point using the pvi 800 etc...?

Edited December 30, 2010 by Bee_Sting

[bogusheadbox]

Now i have not done this myself, as i spend most of my time online, so any confirmation would be great.

 

But i think you can select an ingress point and send to wingman via datalink to have him move/recon a particular area.

[CDR Spectre]

Try looking in the pilot's manual Chapter 7 pages 5-10. The answer you're looking for should be in there

[CarneyUK]

There is a good write up in PC Pilot about how to use wingmen. They are eagle eyed for spotting threats, but you need to keep a tight control of them as they are not always the best at not getting shot down. I find keeping the distance short helps.

 

You can use the message button # is default and get your wingman to do a recce. You can task him to recce different distances and he will recce the direction your aircraft is pointing. With 3 wingmen you could even get them to recce 3 different directions just by sending the message with your nose pointing in a different direction.

 

While he is doing his recce, any target he finds he will send information about. You will then find the PVTz-800 will flash from your wingman. Press the 'send/mem' button and you will see the location of the target come up on your ABRIS. This is the easy way just to get a recce done. Just make sure you have the PVTz-800 mode panel on '1' and the data mode to 'COM'

 

You can also use the PVTz-800 to send your wingman target's. I'm just about to go out with the family for dinner so someone else will probably post before then, but if not I will post some info when I return.

[CDR Spectre]

Well. I stand corrected then. Perhaps a link to the article would help?

[CDR Spectre]

Well. I stand corrected then. Perhaps a link to the article would help?

[speed-of-heat]

starts in this one:

http://www.pcpilot.net/view_issue.asp?ID=798

 

and finishes in this issue:

http://www.pcpilot.net/view_issue.asp?ID=803

[CarneyUK]

Well. I stand corrected then. Perhaps a link to the article would help?

 

It's in PC Pilot magazine so haven't got a link, will have to buy the mag :(

 

I have added some pictures to try and explain better.

 

To get a recce done:

 

1. Task wingman to Recce using #, F1, F2 and then F6 and give him/her distance you want him to recce. He/she will recce in the direction your aircraft is pointing.

2. Once they have spotted a target you will get info about the target over the radio (subtitles in corner if active).

3. Ekran will then advise of datalink info.

4. Press SEND/MEM button and datalinked target from wingman should then show up on your ABRIS as a blue diamond (Armoured vehicle) Little pointy house (SAM/AAA) or a square (other i.e. building)

 

If you find a target and want your wingman to attack it:

 

1. Lock target with Shkval.

2. Press button on top line of PVTz-800 corrosponding to target type.

3. Press SEND/MEM this will save it to your ABRIS.

3. Press target type button again and then on second line which wingman you want to send info too you should see your wingman and the target flashing on your ABRIS.

4. Press SEND/MEM again and all the lights should extinguish.

 

Your wingman should now have the target datalinked. To order them to attack the Datalink target use the # menu.

 

I hope this helps, but I am no instructor, haven't always been great at explaining, and am pretty crap in the graphics department. :)

 

Enjoy and if I knew I wouldn't get done for copyright putting the whole PC Pilot pages up I would :cry:

[CDR Spectre]

I guess I was right after all. Thanks for the help gents. I hope this answered your question Bee_Sting

[Bee_Sting]

yes it does but wags said that you can get wingmen to go to certain points and recon that area. if i'm at one point i should be able to send a nav point and have him recon that point. it would make it much easier to over map areas with know targets,if you have a 4 chopper squad.

[CarneyUK]

I would have to look at the manual, never done it that way before. IIRC it's something to do with the DL INGRESS button and the button on the top right next to the 3 target type buttons on the PVTz-800. Not sure if you have to give co-ords or not.

 

Will have a look later when my hangover has gone :Flush:

[CDR Spectre]

yes it does but wags said that you can get wingmen to go to certain points and recon that area. if i'm at one point i should be able to send a nav point and have him recon that point. it would make it much easier to over map areas with know targets,if you have a 4 chopper squad.

If I understand this correctly, you should be able to send your wingman to a datalink point and then use the recee commands from there. Of course I can barely take off in the bloody sim so I may not be the best source....

[CarneyUK]

If you have a llok in the manual, Chapter 11 and read from 11-5 onwards.

 

It has a lot of information on Datalinking. Here's a snippet:

 

Designate Target Points The Ka-50 navigation-targeting system can store up to 10 Target Points (TP), which can be actual targets or ingress points. Setting a TP can be done in two ways:

 Target Point fly-over. In this scenario, the TP is the ground coordinate that the helicopter was flying over when the TP was created.

 Shkval I-251 Designation. Using the Shkval system and the laser rangefinder, a ground location can be designated and set as a TP. This is done by determining range and bearing between designation point and ownship.

Fly-Over Target Point Designation

1. Set the Mode selector dial on the Navigation Control panel to the "ВВОД" (Enter) position.

2. Set "И-251В– ПРОЛ" (INU fix-taking method) switch to the "ПРОЛ" (Over-fly) position.

3. Press "ОТ" (Target point) push-light.

4. Select the TP number you wish to assign from the key pad (1…0).

5. Once above the target, press the "ЦУ" (Designate target) button on the cyclic and the helicopter‟ coordinates will be appear on the Navigation Control panel display. The "ОТ" (Target point) symbol will be displayed on the HUD.

6. Press the "ВВОД" (Enter) button on the Navigation Control panel a second time and the fly-over coordinates will be entered as a TP in the navigation system. The "ОТ" (Target point) symbol on the HUD will go out.

7. After creating the TP, set the Mode selector dial on the Navigation Control panel to the "РАБ" (Work) position.

Shkval Target Point Designation

1. Ensure that the "ИЗЛ-ОТКЛ" (Laser standby ON/OFF) switch on the Targeting Mode Controls panel is set to the "ИЗЛ" (Laser standby ON) position.

2. Set the Mode selector dial on the Navigation Control panel to the "ВВОД" (Enter) position.

3. Set the "И-251В– ПРОЛ" (INU fix-taking method) switch to the "И-251В" (I-251V Shkval) position.

4. Press the "ОТ" (Target point) push-light button.

5. Select the TP number you wish to assign from the key pad (1-10).

6. Press the "ЦУ" (Uncage Shkval) button on the cyclic.

7. Use the sensor slew hat to align the HUD cursor with target point area, and then locate it on the Shkval display.

8. Place the Shkval target box over the target point area, adjust the gate size and press the "АВТ ЗАХВ" (Automatic target lock) button on the collective. The range to target area will now be displayed on the TVM screen.

9. Press the "ЦУ" (Designate target) button on the cyclic a second time and the target‟s coordinates will appear on the Navigation Control panel display. The "ОТ" (Target point) symbol will display on the HUD.

10. Press the "ВВОД" (Enter) button on the Navigation Control panel again and the derived coordinates will be entered as the TP coordinates in the navigation system. The "ОТ" (Target point) symbol on the HUD will go out.

11. After creating this new TP, set the Mode selector dial on the Navigation Control panel to the "РАБ" (Work) position. On the Targeting Mode Controls panel, press the "СБРОС" (Targeting mode reset) button.

[isoul]

In my small experience I found that wingman's best role is recon. Still it might prove to be a one-use-per-mission ability since they tend to get shot down quite easily!

 

I believe that all other AI pilots (except my wingman ofc) are better at the job! My wingman is probably a part-time pilot... probably a news-paper boy as his main occupation.