F-15 is underpowered in FC2

[SovietAviator]

It doesn't feel correct, for example at full throttle with no afterburner the F-15 can easily reach supersonic speeds at altitude (25,000 feet) however at altitude it is impossible to dogfight because the thing will only pull 4gs and before you know it im pretty much a sitting duck for anyone who wants to take a crack at me. The graphics are wonderful and i like the pilot camera angle thing when you turn, but it seems because the Lock On series was made by Russian developers they tend to favor Russian aircraft. :smilewink:

[revalence]

Agreed wholeheartedly! The F-15C seems mediocre when compared in turning rates to the Su-27 or MiG-29. In truth, sadly, it quite is. Although it's G-Limit is just the same (9Gs), it has exceptional thrush-weight ratio (1.12), and it has a extremely low wing loading, the Eagle is quite sluggish when maneuvering around, especially with full fuel load and weapons. In reality, the F-15C can statistically outperform a F-16Bl.52 (many tests have confirmed this), where is large and heavy predator (40,000 lbs. avg. takeoff weight) rules is really the BVR. It has internal ECM onboard, fire-forget medium range missiles (AIM-120) and it has a powerful and immersing radar with IFF, a feature missing to many Russian fighters. True, it's tactical range (counting it's range from missiles) is far less compared to a normal loadout of a Su-27 with R-27ERs, but the Eagle is a standout for performance compared to earlier US fighters. However, I really think that the Eagle isn't optimized for down-to-dirty dogfighting, because it tends to fishtail and lose more speed at High AoA maneuvers than the Su-27. Do dogfight with afterburner, and lose those fuel tanks :D

 

-Andrew (Revalence)

[mikoyan]

not again.... what do you want a raptor; the f-15 is the fastest; has the best climb; can turn better at altitude; has better missiles and radar; is the easiest to fly specially if you want to gun someone and you still think is underpowered! what you need is an xwing!

[mikoyan]

Agreed wholeheartedly! The F-15C seems mediocre when compared in turning rates to the Su-27 or MiG-29. In truth, sadly, it quite is. Although it's G-Limit is just the same (9Gs), it has exceptional thrush-weight ratio (1.12), and it has a extremely low wing loading, the Eagle is quite sluggish when maneuvering around, especially with full fuel load and weapons. In reality, the F-15C can statistically outperform a F-16Bl.52 (many tests have confirmed this), where is large and heavy predator (40,000 lbs. avg. takeoff weight) rules is really the BVR. It has internal ECM onboard, fire-forget medium range missiles (AIM-120) and it has a powerful and immersing radar with IFF, a feature missing to many Russian fighters. True, it's tactical range (counting it's range from missiles) is far less compared to a normal loadout of a Su-27 with R-27ERs, but the Eagle is a standout for performance compared to earlier US fighters. However, I really think that the Eagle isn't optimized for down-to-dirty dogfighting, because it tends to fishtail and lose more speed at High AoA maneuvers than the Su-27. Do dogfight with afterburner, and lose those fuel tanks :D

 

-Andrew (Revalence)

 

What did you expect if you are fully loaded; try the same with the flanker and don't get me started with the mig-29 which is provably the worst since it has small sweet spots unlike the eagle. You are not flying the eagle as it is supposed to; you keep your energy; you use your power advantage and stay high if you can. if you go to a dogfight carring your 3 fuel tanks and 100%fuel and still expect to spank a lightly loaded mig you are not doing it right.

The eagle actually shakes a lot when fling low due to its low wing-loading and shape. It is not like you can't fight low; it is that you need to know your stuff because the su-27 has better turn performance down low if lightly loaded. What f-15 pilots like about the eagle is not that it is the best at everything; it is that it is the best balanced fighter;it is not like the older migs; that give you good turn performance for dogfight but low tech radar, not so good missiles and poor situational awareness. Add to the mix that americans provably already know how to jam early mig-29s and su-27s since they got first hand info from a soviet spy(if I'm not mistaken the guy was executed) it may not turn the best down low but it turn better than most fighters; it excels high and has better weapons than most fighters.

[RvEYoda]

You're not supposed to have very good turn capability at 25.000 ft :).

If you want to know exactly how much you should have there are some aircraft flight manuals available around here somewhere. The devs did their best to match these known performance charts for all the aircraft when developing the game, but if you want something really precise you will need to wait for plane specific flight model simulation in DCS.

 

Pulling 9Gs without losing speed is something you can really only expect if you aren't carrying anything :), being at 450 kts or so at sealevel with not too much fuel.

[104th_Crunch]

I have never heard of th F-15 doing super cruise before. Maybe you are thinking the F-22. In FC2 the F-15 can out turn the MiG-29 with ease. In BVR in FC2 it has a huge advantage. The devs tried their best with better info most of us have. If you think ED are biased towards Russian aircraft why the hell are they currently working on an A-10C release!

 

Search the forums about this topic before posting your opinions please.

[Cali]

Where's my popcorn?

[159th_Viper]

Never mind Popcorn........Is there a Doctor in the house?

 

GG's gonna have an absolute belter of a heart-attack when he stumbles on this thread :megalol:

 

 

:D

[Cali]

Never mind Popcorn........Is there a Doctor in the house?

 

GG's gonna have an absolute belter of a heart-attack when he stumbles on this thread :megalol:

 

 

:D

 

Yea...I wish I could see his face when he reads the title. :megalol::music_whistling::doh:

[RIPTIDE]

[RIPTIDE]

not again.... what do you want a raptor; the f-15 is the fastest; has the best climb; can turn better at altitude; has better missiles and radar; is the easiest to fly specially if you want to gun someone and you still think is underpowered! what you need is an xwing!

Just to correct a common misconception... the MiG is still the fastest accelerator in FC2.0

[Case]

It only has been about 3 weeks since we had our last traditional Flaming Cliffs rant... I've been getting withdrawal symptoms... :puke:

[GGTharos]

Oh, my heart :P

[GGTharos]

You're a sitting duck because you don't know anything about your aircraft or about flying an aircraft. The F-15C in FC2 matches the energy and turning capabilities as per the F-15A/C-1 (that would be the real life pilot's manual).

 

It doesn't feel correct, for example at full throttle with no afterburner the F-15 can easily reach supersonic speeds at altitude (25,000 feet) however at altitude it is impossible to dogfight because the thing will only pull 4gs and before you know it im pretty much a sitting duck for anyone who wants to take a crack at me. The graphics are wonderful and i like the pilot camera angle thing when you turn, but it seems because the Lock On series was made by Russian developers they tend to favor Russian aircraft. :smilewink:

[GGTharos]

That's a lot of wrong in one post, other than using max power for a turning fight! :D

 

Agreed wholeheartedly! The F-15C seems mediocre when compared in turning rates to the Su-27 or MiG-29. In truth, sadly, it quite is. Although it's G-Limit is just the same (9Gs), it has exceptional thrush-weight ratio (1.12), and it has a extremely low wing loading, the Eagle is quite sluggish when maneuvering around, especially with full fuel load and weapons. In reality, the F-15C can statistically outperform a F-16Bl.52 (many tests have confirmed this), where is large and heavy predator (40,000 lbs. avg. takeoff weight) rules is really the BVR. It has internal ECM onboard, fire-forget medium range missiles (AIM-120) and it has a powerful and immersing radar with IFF, a feature missing to many Russian fighters. True, it's tactical range (counting it's range from missiles) is far less compared to a normal loadout of a Su-27 with R-27ERs, but the Eagle is a standout for performance compared to earlier US fighters. However, I really think that the Eagle isn't optimized for down-to-dirty dogfighting, because it tends to fishtail and lose more speed at High AoA maneuvers than the Su-27. Do dogfight with afterburner, and lose those fuel tanks :D

 

-Andrew (Revalence)

[104th_Crunch]

lol, popcorn haha

[Cali]

It doesn't feel correct, for example at full throttle with no afterburner the F-15 can easily reach supersonic speeds at altitude (25,000 feet) however at altitude it is impossible to dogfight because the thing will only pull 4gs and before you know it im pretty much a sitting duck for anyone who wants to take a crack at me. The graphics are wonderful and i like the pilot camera angle thing when you turn, but it seems because the Lock On series was made by Russian developers they tend to favor Russian aircraft. :smilewink:

 

I don't know where and how come you can only pull 4g's at alt. You need to have speed to pull g's, kinda hard to pull them when you are slow. It's not favored towards the Russian aircraft, the F-15 is the best jet in the game. TWS+120+internal jammer+lots of chaff/flare = One bad jet! My advice to you is go here http://flankertraining.com/ironhand/news.html look at the F-15 tutorials, study them, fly them and practice,practice and more practice. Then learn a little bit about the other jets.

[Yo-Yo]

Trash-weight ratio for F-15 is OK!!!!

[GGTharos]

Well, I should hope that the trash-to-weight ratio is 0... :D

[S77th-konkussion]

LOL is this the genius of babelfish?

[Yo-Yo]

LOL is this the genius of babelfish?

 

 

Cyber translator?? Never ever.

 

it has exceptional thrush-weight ratio

 

 

that's the matter pulling me to the slippy road

of word games.

 

I can not be serious in this thread.

[SovietAviator]

FSX, Iris F-15 can do super cruise with no afterburn, (not at cruise settings, full throttle) the F-15 in FC2 can't even do that. The only real chance of dogfighting in this thing is if it is at 10 thousand feet or less.

[SovietAviator]

I don't know where and how come you can only pull 4g's at alt. You need to have speed to pull g's, kinda hard to pull them when you are slow. It's not favored towards the Russian aircraft, the F-15 is the best jet in the game. TWS+120+internal jammer+lots of chaff/flare = One bad jet! My advice to you is go here http://flankertraining.com/ironhand/news.html look at the F-15 tutorials, study them, fly them and practice,practice and more practice. Then learn a little bit about the other jets.

 

I know that, the thing im saying is at altitude it accelerates about as fast as a 1998 Ford Taurus.

[GGTharos]

They got it completely, utterly and undeniably wrong.

 

To further demonstrate that you do not understand what you are dealing with, the FC2 F-15C has an overwhelming climb rate advantage over the FC2 Su-27 above 20000 at best climb speed, just like the real life dealie. ;)

 

FSX, Iris F-15 can do super cruise with no afterburn, (not at cruise settings, full throttle) the F-15 in FC2 can't even do that. The only real chance of dogfighting in this thing is if it is at 10 thousand feet or less.

Edited January 20, 2011 by GGTharos

[S77th-konkussion]

The Su 33 of all things will supercruise in LOMAC. Funny.. (clean-MIL PWR)