Landing without tires...

[Lonecrow66]

Actually managed to touch down with 3 stubs basically..

 

Of course I also have a screen shot again proving that the MFD's go out first every time you get hit. Basically only one thing on the caution panel and one "clunk" from a tank's gun fire and right MFD gone.

 

I'm getting tired of losing mfd's FIRST with even just one little hit EVERY TIME.

[Lonecrow66]

Also here's a little visual evidence.. The MFD's going out with small arms fire first.. some proof for ya..

 

I don't have a screen of the outside but it was just a couple bullet holes.

[mic1184]

I'm getting tired of losing mfd's FIRST with even just one little hit EVERY TIME.

 

now that sounds like you get hit a lot ;-) maybe change your tactics?

 

congrats on the landing tho must've been tricky.

[Eddie]

You don't loose the MFDs first every time, however if you suffer a hit in the forward fusalage there is a high chance the MFDs will be affected.

 

The LRIs in the avionics bay and the associated data busses on any combat aircraft are always vunerable, and while their loss is unlikely to result in an unflyable aircraft for the most part, it generally means your mission is over.

 

If you keep getting hit in the forward fusalage I suggest you re-evaluate your attack planning methods.

 

However, remember you have what is now a rather old build of the sim and much has changed, including the damage modelling.

[mic1184]

However, remember you have what is now a rather old build of the sim and much has changed, including the damage modelling.

 

are you bragging about test-flying beta 6?!? I'm sure he'd be happy to upgrade to the latest build with your assistance. as many others

[Eddie]

No, try not to see things between the lines that are not there.

 

It's simply a fact of the public betas that many of the problems that keep being pointed out these days no longer exist and you'll find they are gone when you guys get the next build.

 

As for upgrading to latest build, yeah that's easy, just stay patient and it'll come to you.

[Lonecrow66]

Cool. But this is all we have so it is all we can comment on.

 

The MFD is always the first to go for me. Usually during a gun or bombing run. So yeah the front gets hit. But when I look at the damage usually just a couple bullet holes on the side.

 

The tires being blown were after. My wingman and I did a lot of down and dirty destruction on this mission. Lost both MFD's pretty much everything on the hud. Managed to land it.

 

I admit the actual damage on the aircraft and the modeling is outstanding and beyond anything out there. I just think that your entire MFD wouldn't be blank if the system gets knocked out, maybe popping in and out. I mean the wire for power would have to be knocked out completely. I'm sure some of the actual conduit is hardened..

[Eddie]

Cool. But this is all we have so it is all we can comment on.

 

The MFD is always the first to go for me. Usually during a gun or bombing run. So yeah the front gets hit. But when I look at the damage usually just a couple bullet holes on the side.

 

The tires being blown were after. My wingman and I did a lot of down and dirty destruction on this mission. Lost both MFD's pretty much everything on the hud. Managed to land it.

 

I admit the actual damage on the aircraft and the modeling is outstanding and beyond anything out there. I just think that your entire MFD wouldn't be blank if the system gets knocked out, maybe popping in and out. I mean the wire for power would have to be knocked out completely. I'm sure some of the actual conduit is hardened..

 

I'm not familiar with the avionics bay layout of the A-10C as we don't have any in the UK. From the documentation I've seen the only armour is the titanium bathtub around the cockpit, so yes the data bus cables that run around the pit my be behind the armour but those in the AV bay are not. Aircraft avionics are nothing more than smallish metal boxes containing a several printed circuit boards no different to your graphics card or motherboard so a single bullet can very easily knock out a system if it hits the right place.

 

As an example the MFD symbology on the Typhoon is produced by 2 LRIs that you can easily carry by hand with several cards lined up one after the other, a bullet could easlier travel right through the whole LRI if it hit at the right angle. But even taking out 1 card would destroy the LRI and reder it unserviceable, take out both LRIs (both of which are in the AV bay behind the cockpit) or any of the fibre optic data busses connecting them and you'd loose MFD symbology. It really is that simple.

 

The problem with armour is that it's heavy, and even for the an aircraft like the hog keeping weight down is important so it's not practical to protect everything. Especially when in the real world even one bullet hole which resulted in no indicated faults would mean you aborting the mission and heading home.

 

As to what you said about only having 2 bullet holes in the aircraft, unfortunatly the damage modelling isn't good enough to put a bullet hole in the right place on your aircraft for each and every round that hits you, to do that you'd need to be using a NASA super computer. It's just a skin texture that shows roughly where you are hit and more holes just means more hits/damage, 2 holes doesn't mean only 2 rounds have hit you. Maybe one day we'll be able to have a 100% accurate representation of damage, but not yet sadly.

Edited February 18, 2011 by Eddie

[MajorMorningWood]

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I admit the actual damage on the aircraft and the modeling is outstanding and beyond anything out there. I just think that your entire MFD wouldn't be blank if the system gets knocked out, maybe popping in and out. I mean the wire for power would have to be knocked out completely.

 

Perhaps you could confirm this with a few 7.62s threw your PC case and make sure not to hit the power cable and see if your screen goes black or just flickrs a little :lol:

[mic1184]

Perhaps you could confirm this with a few 7.62s threw your PC case and make sure not to hit the power cable and see if your screen goes black or just flickrs a little :lol:

 

if no small arms are at hand (being not from texas or switzerland) you could just kick against your case a little, will do the trick...

[robmlufc]

I've seen Harrier mpcds drop out due to one pin in a plug not fitted correctly, it doesn't take much to mess up display units

[Mike Busutil]

If you keep getting hit in the forward fusalage I suggest you re-evaluate your attack planning methods.

 

 

Doesn't the A-10 have a "Bathtub" of armor protecting the cockpit just for this reason?

[EtherealN]

No, it has a tub to try making sure that the pilot isn't killed by a random 7.62mm round.

 

Never plan an attack with the idea of having rounds contact your plane. It's just a bad idea. :P

[boycey0211]

a bathtub protecting the cockpit cannot possibly protect all avionics equipment as it will be spread out much further e.g tornado, however to the threads point there is usually a universal computer that controls both MFCD's, I have never seen an aircraft that has two display controllers for two MFCD's.

 

I am having the same problem though, and it is very unusual to just get these faults. If one plug was being disconnected by rounds impacted then i'd start wondering why nothing else was...

[Weaponz248]

 

I admit the actual damage on the aircraft and the modeling is outstanding and beyond anything out there. I just think that your entire MFD wouldn't be blank if the system gets knocked out, maybe popping in and out. I mean the wire for power would have to be knocked out completely. I'm sure some of the actual conduit is hardened..

 

 

or the wire for video or the wire going to the CB for the MFD etc....

[jeffyd123]

heck... remember flying falcon? You got the paint scratched by 1 bullet the engine caught fire and the wings broke off.

 

It would be cool to have louder bullet impact sounds so as to convey to the pilot the actual damage the plane is taking.

 

the A-10 is a pretty tough plane to be able to get home with the damage it sustains.

[boycey0211]

MFD's have seperate CB's, and theres probably about 20 systems going through a wiring loom so youd lose a lot more systems in one go

[SonofEil]

Though the screens and gauges (e.g., the displays for the information) are inside the bathtub, most of the actual avionics computers are outside the cockpit, just under the (fragile) skin.

In the attached pictures, many of those open panels contain different (unprotected) flight, nav, and weapons computers for the in-cockpit (protected) information displays.

So, while your MFCD's may not be taking rounds, the black boxes that feed it certainly are!

Could avionics damage be more accurately and intricately rendered? Always!

But they really have done a pretty damn good job so far.

[robmlufc]

a bathtub protecting the cockpit cannot possibly protect all avionics equipment as it will be spread out much further e.g tornado, however to the threads point there is usually a universal computer that controls both MFCD's, I have never seen an aircraft that has two display controllers for two MFCD's.

 

I am having the same problem though, and it is very unusual to just get these faults. If one plug was being disconnected by rounds impacted then i'd start wondering why nothing else was...

 

Not sure about tonkas but, on Harrier if the mfcds weren't working then the hud will be off too as it just a mirror of data sent through the mfcds. Normally you will just lose one system such as the tad or tgp page rather than the whole mfcd, if your air data computer was hit and u/s you would lose all flight info but the display and Hudson would still output what it has available, plus a load of cautions and other issues!

[SonofEil]

However, remember you have what is now a rather old build of the sim and much has changed, including the damage modelling.

 

I think that sums up this thread pretty well. We'll just have to wait (forever?:music_whistling:) and see what the improvements are.