Lonecrow66 Posted February 23, 2011 Posted February 23, 2011 Can someone demonstrate how it is done on Youtube for us? Including the setup. I've yet to see if done by anyone. Is it even possible in the A10 ? I think I read about that in the manual. --- May your takeoffs equal your landings!
EtherealN Posted February 23, 2011 Posted February 23, 2011 It is techincally possible, but not very effective with the A-10C due to it's slow speed. You'd probably want something like an F-15E to perform lofted deliveries of bombs in a meaningful manner. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Daniel "EtherealN" Agorander | Даниэль "эфирныйн" Агорандер Intel i7 2600K @ 4.4GHz, ASUS Sabertooth P67, 8GB Corsair Vengeance @ 1600MHz, ASUS GTX 560Ti DirectCU II 1GB, Samsung 830series 512GB SSD, Corsair AX850w, two BENQ screens and TM HOTAS Warthog DCS: A-10C Warthog FAQ | DCS: P-51D FAQ | Remember to read the Forum Rules | | | Life of a Game Tester
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luza Posted February 23, 2011 Posted February 23, 2011 It is techincally possible, but not very effective with the A-10C due to it's slow speed. You'd probably want something like an F-15E to perform lofted deliveries of bombs in a meaningful manner. Hint hint, wink wink :lol: [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
RodBorza Posted February 23, 2011 Posted February 23, 2011 Hint hint, wink wink :lol: LOL. Funny how those pictures of the F-15 at the game start are nice. Hmmm...F-15.... This is an amazing sim! 'Nuff said!:pilotfly: YouTube: SloppyDog
Bullant Posted February 23, 2011 Posted February 23, 2011 You'd probably want something like an F-15E to perform lofted deliveries of bombs in a meaningful manner. Now that's just nasty, teasing us like that ;) Intel i7 13700K @ 5.3 GHz / ASUS TUF Gaming Z490-Plus / 64 Gb G.Skill DDR4-3600 / RTX 4090 / 2TB Kingston KC3000 NVME / Win 10 x64 Pro / Pimax Crystal / WINWING F/A-18 HOTAS A-10C, AJS-37, AV-8B, F-4E, F-5E, F-14, F-15E, F-16, F/A-18C, F-86F, FC3, Christen Eagle 2, FW190D-9, Mosquito, P-47D, P-51D, Spitfire, AH-64D, KA-50, UH-1H Combined Arms, WWII Asset Pack, China Assets Pack, Super Carrier, Falklands Assets Nevada, Normandy, Persian Gulf, The Channel, Syria, Mariana Islands, South Atlantic, Sinai, Kola, Afghanistan
Thermal Posted February 23, 2011 Posted February 23, 2011 300knots at 45deg gives you +2000m range approx (very simple ballistic equation) - thats pretty doable in the A-10C 345knots at 45deg gives you 3km - you'd have to get a run-up :) If your +1000ft above the target, then you'll gain maybe 500m Still, +2km standoff range lobbing Mk82's? Sounds like not a bad option for AAA plinking if you dont have mav's.
EtherealN Posted February 23, 2011 Posted February 23, 2011 (edited) ...or you could just climb to angels 15 and drop it on them from there, where AAA can't reach you anyways. Lofting isn't only about standoff (there's SDB's and such nice stuff for that job - release at Mach2 and angels 45 and you have a GPS-guided bomb with ~40nm range... :P ), lofting is also about simply not being seen. For example if you have your target on the other side of a hill you can approach masked by the hill at high speed and loft it over the hill, turning back after release. That way, whatever air defence was on the other side cannot touch you - best they can hope for is to detect and engage the bomb(s). Edited February 23, 2011 by EtherealN [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Daniel "EtherealN" Agorander | Даниэль "эфирныйн" Агорандер Intel i7 2600K @ 4.4GHz, ASUS Sabertooth P67, 8GB Corsair Vengeance @ 1600MHz, ASUS GTX 560Ti DirectCU II 1GB, Samsung 830series 512GB SSD, Corsair AX850w, two BENQ screens and TM HOTAS Warthog DCS: A-10C Warthog FAQ | DCS: P-51D FAQ | Remember to read the Forum Rules | | | Life of a Game Tester
Lonecrow66 Posted February 23, 2011 Author Posted February 23, 2011 This gives us a sort of safer approach at low alts. I can never get in range to drop bombs without getting shot at by sams or something. Have to stay low and out of range. Using mavericks are good but hard to pinpoint specific targets out of a group with the maverick seeker. I mean the TGP I can zoom in much further and ID a target and then switch to maverick but you still kinda have to slew it to get it to lock up. I have such a hard time with that.. just me. So I usually can never pick out individual targets with the maverick seeker. Just tiny little dots to me. I'm sure toss bombing isn't too accurate.. but it would be fun to drop some cbu's in that way... --- May your takeoffs equal your landings!
Lonecrow66 Posted February 23, 2011 Author Posted February 23, 2011 ...or you could just climb to angels 15 and drop it on them from there, where AAA can't reach you anyways. Lofting isn't only about standoff (there's SDB's and such nice stuff for that job - release at Mach2 and angels 45 and you have a GPS-guided bomb with ~40nm range... :P ), lofting is also about simply not being seen. For example if you have your target on the other side of a hill you can approach masked by the hill at high speed and loft it over the hill, turning back after release. That way, whatever air defence was on the other side cannot touch you - best they can hope for is to detect and engage the bomb(s). 15k and you are still sitting duck for sams.. Please stop it with the Eagle references.. I think we get the hint now :) :) --- May your takeoffs equal your landings!
EtherealN Posted February 23, 2011 Posted February 23, 2011 Oh, and Thermal, do you have proper drag index for JDAMs plugged into those equations? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Daniel "EtherealN" Agorander | Даниэль "эфирныйн" Агорандер Intel i7 2600K @ 4.4GHz, ASUS Sabertooth P67, 8GB Corsair Vengeance @ 1600MHz, ASUS GTX 560Ti DirectCU II 1GB, Samsung 830series 512GB SSD, Corsair AX850w, two BENQ screens and TM HOTAS Warthog DCS: A-10C Warthog FAQ | DCS: P-51D FAQ | Remember to read the Forum Rules | | | Life of a Game Tester
EtherealN Posted February 23, 2011 Posted February 23, 2011 Loonecrow, regarding IDing targets with Mav seeker - just ID it with TGP, mark it, slave all to SPI, switch to Mav and then fire. Also, if there's SAMs about, what the heck are you doing there? You need to wait until the F-16 Blck 52's have taken the SAMs out. ;) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Daniel "EtherealN" Agorander | Даниэль "эфирныйн" Агорандер Intel i7 2600K @ 4.4GHz, ASUS Sabertooth P67, 8GB Corsair Vengeance @ 1600MHz, ASUS GTX 560Ti DirectCU II 1GB, Samsung 830series 512GB SSD, Corsair AX850w, two BENQ screens and TM HOTAS Warthog DCS: A-10C Warthog FAQ | DCS: P-51D FAQ | Remember to read the Forum Rules | | | Life of a Game Tester
Thermal Posted February 23, 2011 Posted February 23, 2011 (edited) ...or you could just climb to angels 15 and drop it on them from there, where AAA can't reach you anyways. Where is the fun in that? Your head gets all woozy from the lack of oxygen :music_whistling: (The calcs came out as 2.4km and that was ignoring any height difference, the pull to +45 deg would give you plus... 500ft?? which would give you another few hundred metres of range, so I rounded down a fair bit). Edited February 23, 2011 by Thermal
Bullant Posted February 23, 2011 Posted February 23, 2011 You need to wait until the F-16 Blck 52's have taken the SAMs out. ;) Now you really are just playing with us :lol: Intel i7 13700K @ 5.3 GHz / ASUS TUF Gaming Z490-Plus / 64 Gb G.Skill DDR4-3600 / RTX 4090 / 2TB Kingston KC3000 NVME / Win 10 x64 Pro / Pimax Crystal / WINWING F/A-18 HOTAS A-10C, AJS-37, AV-8B, F-4E, F-5E, F-14, F-15E, F-16, F/A-18C, F-86F, FC3, Christen Eagle 2, FW190D-9, Mosquito, P-47D, P-51D, Spitfire, AH-64D, KA-50, UH-1H Combined Arms, WWII Asset Pack, China Assets Pack, Super Carrier, Falklands Assets Nevada, Normandy, Persian Gulf, The Channel, Syria, Mariana Islands, South Atlantic, Sinai, Kola, Afghanistan
GGTharos Posted February 23, 2011 Posted February 23, 2011 Raptor reference, actually ... 15k and you are still sitting duck for sams.. Please stop it with the Eagle references.. I think we get the hint now :) :) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
Speed Posted February 23, 2011 Posted February 23, 2011 You need to wait until the F-16 Blck 52's have taken the SAMs out. ;) or F/A-18Es, right? lol Intelligent discourse can only begin with the honest admission of your own fallibility. Member of the Virtual Tactical Air Group: http://vtacticalairgroup.com/ Lua scripts and mods: MIssion Scripting Tools (Mist): http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=98616 Slmod version 7.0 for DCS: World: http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=80979 Now includes remote server administration tools for kicking, banning, loading missions, etc.
EtherealN Posted February 23, 2011 Posted February 23, 2011 or F/A-18Es, right? lol Nah. :) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Daniel "EtherealN" Agorander | Даниэль "эфирныйн" Агорандер Intel i7 2600K @ 4.4GHz, ASUS Sabertooth P67, 8GB Corsair Vengeance @ 1600MHz, ASUS GTX 560Ti DirectCU II 1GB, Samsung 830series 512GB SSD, Corsair AX850w, two BENQ screens and TM HOTAS Warthog DCS: A-10C Warthog FAQ | DCS: P-51D FAQ | Remember to read the Forum Rules | | | Life of a Game Tester
RodBorza Posted February 23, 2011 Posted February 23, 2011 Nah. :) LOL. nice one! Talk about a low flying, low speed ground attack aircraft. :D This is an amazing sim! 'Nuff said!:pilotfly: YouTube: SloppyDog
Sinky Posted February 23, 2011 Posted February 23, 2011 This gives us a sort of safer approach at low alts. I can never get in range to drop bombs without getting shot at by sams or something. Have to stay low and out of range. Using mavericks are good but hard to pinpoint specific targets out of a group with the maverick seeker. I mean the TGP I can zoom in much further and ID a target and then switch to maverick but you still kinda have to slew it to get it to lock up. I have such a hard time with that.. just me. So I usually can never pick out individual targets with the maverick seeker. Just tiny little dots to me. I'm sure toss bombing isn't too accurate.. but it would be fun to drop some cbu's in that way... There should be no need to slew the mav. Make the target SPI through the TGP and switch to the mav, you might have to slave it to the SPI but once doing so just press TMS Up Short and it will try and lock, if it doesn't lock just try the button again. No need to start slewing and trying to keep it on target to get the lock. If you want a video for better explanation I think Tiger from the 104th did one. Hope this helps. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] ASUS M4A785D-M Pro | XFX 650W XXX | AMD Phenom II X4 B55 Black Edition 3.2ghz | 4GB Corsair XMS2 DHX 800mhz | XFX HD 5770 1GB @ 850/1200 | Windows 7 64bit | Logitech G35 | Logitech Mx518 | TrackIR 4 My TrackIR Profile ( Speed 1.2 / Smooth 30 ) - Right click & save as.
Headspace Posted February 23, 2011 Posted February 23, 2011 I was going to do a training video on this, and it's relevant again now that a lot of the CCRP/CCIP inaccuracy has been fixed. But honestly? You need to get so close that it won't even reliably protect you from MANPADs. If you were in a supersonic, afterburner-equipped jet it would be different. The A-10 requires another set of tactics.
Galwran Posted February 23, 2011 Posted February 23, 2011 There should be no need to slew the mav. Make the target SPI through the TGP and switch to the mav, you might have to slave it to the SPI but once doing so just press TMS Up Short and it will try and lock, if it doesn't lock just try the button again. No need to start slewing and trying to keep it on target to get the lock. If you want a video for better explanation I think Tiger from the 104th did one. Hope this helps. This. Once you have made the target SPI in TGP and then slaved MAV to said SPI you should start pressing TMS UP SHORT in about one second intervals until the crosshair of the MAV becomes solid and you have a lock. Then fire away!
Sinky Posted February 23, 2011 Posted February 23, 2011 This. Once you have made the target SPI in TGP and then slaved MAV to said SPI you should start pressing TMS UP SHORT in about one second intervals until the crosshair of the MAV becomes solid and you have a lock. Then fire away! Yeah you can usually achieve a lock at around 7nm. As for lofting, I tried it once on a SAM site, disaster. Suppose it could possibly work if you build up some speed in a dive before hand. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] ASUS M4A785D-M Pro | XFX 650W XXX | AMD Phenom II X4 B55 Black Edition 3.2ghz | 4GB Corsair XMS2 DHX 800mhz | XFX HD 5770 1GB @ 850/1200 | Windows 7 64bit | Logitech G35 | Logitech Mx518 | TrackIR 4 My TrackIR Profile ( Speed 1.2 / Smooth 30 ) - Right click & save as.
Lonecrow66 Posted February 23, 2011 Author Posted February 23, 2011 Loonecrow, regarding IDing targets with Mav seeker - just ID it with TGP, mark it, slave all to SPI, switch to Mav and then fire. Also, if there's SAMs about, what the heck are you doing there? You need to wait until the F-16 Blck 52's have taken the SAMs out. ;) Most of the time we are flying from waypoint to way point. When you fence in you contact Jtac and follow their commands. Realisticaly how would you know whether other flights have destroyed the air defenses? As for the TGP I do that, but when I switch to the maverick and slave all it looks locked but the crosshairs are not all the way down usually. So I don't fire it. I usually have to move the slew a tiny bit to get it to lock.. But my slew sucks on thie X52 --- May your takeoffs equal your landings!
Lonecrow66 Posted February 23, 2011 Author Posted February 23, 2011 Raptor reference, actually ... If you can get declassified data on the Raptor that would be fun to fly.. :) A little overpowering though. Nothing can touch them.. --- May your takeoffs equal your landings!
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