FC2 Compatability No Longer "Unlikely"

[Smokin Hole]

"Unlikely" has changed to "being considered". I am going to be a bit of a hypocrite in this post because I am going to express a fear for something I've begged for in the past (and am still anxiously anticipating with DCS:BS). When FC2 "merged" I was thrilled...untill I became fodder for six spammed AMRAAMs ("Smokin Hole killed by building" in ED-speak). A week after the merger I was on Teamspeak and listened as a player from Iraq brag of how he bagged 20 Ka50s the day before. That kind of thing was pretty thrilling to him. So I soon learned to fly at 130kph. But after a couple of hours of that, I learned to give up DCS:BS multiplayer. My point is that the DCS standard is one of considerable coordination and planning and probably better suited to cooperative online play. Online, FC2 (and my beloved Su25) just isn't compatible with the far deeper world that ED is perfecting with DCS:WH/BS. Just my $.02.

[Boberro]

Blame Ka-50 and Russian MoD for not giving enough money for Ka-50's modern equipment.

War is war, you have been shot down? It hurts, nothing more. It doesn't matter you have been killed either in DCS world or merged LO-DCS world. Missile is missile, general tactic, mistakes exist in both worlds. If you are flying forward and nothing more... sorry but it wasn't as it should be. It's pilot problem then :)

[Smokin Hole]

Boberro,

 

To compare FC2 and real life is frankly stupid. Unless a country is desperate, it's not going to commit CAS aircraft until it has something close to air superiority over the area of operation. That will never happen in and online world where everyone reflys after death.

 

BTW, for clarity to those who didn't get it, the "merger" I referred to is the compatibilty patch that allowed DCS:BS to play online with FC2.

[Boberro]

You have mentioned AMRAAMS, if Ka-50 had good avionics in RL (by money from MoD), RWR it would be easier to evade them = less deaths = less complains. This is how I understood your sentence about that someone's been killed many times by Amraams and this is why I mentioned MoD funds.

 

You wrote:

 

My point is that the DCS standard is one of considerable coordination and planning and probably better suited to cooperative online play.

 

This is not DCS-LO merge fault. It is only pilot fault he flew somewhere without plan, coordination with others. Would you complain if you were (DCS Ka-50) killed in DCS F-15 by someone? If yes it means IMHO Ka-50's pilot mistake (as same as DCS-LO), if no then your argument is not serious cause in both cases you would have been killed by an F-15.

 

Can't get your point of view ;)

Edited February 26, 2011 by Boberro

[luza]

Blaming "real life" and "russian government funding" for this has no place in this discussion.

 

If you read the OP, you'd understand that he's not complaining about being shot down, he's expressing his fear of merging 2 worlds that have such a huge difference in fidelity and complexity.

[159th_Falcon]

Reverse is also true.

And we could experience it during the ATC/GCI weekend of the 51st server.

 

Very fun to fly, and even were people escorting and making air corridors for the strikers whit the help of the GCI, and after the strike they got escorted back to base. Land, Rinse and Repeat. So depending on the server and the number of people on TS on your side, its going to get better or worse.

 

Its not the "games" its the people.

(as usual)

[Dudikoff]

Online, FC2 (and my beloved Su25) just isn't compatible with the far deeper world that ED is perfecting with DCS:WH/BS. Just my $.02.

 

As mentioned before, it depends on the server (and the multiplayer mission) and the people on it, so try to find some more organized group/server to fly with.

 

I'm more interested in updated graphics and expanded mission editor options that the FCX updated to DCS:A-10 standard would bring (not sure what other improvements for FC would be there).

[Exorcet]

it's not going to commit CAS aircraft until it has something close to air superiority over the area of operation. That will never happen in and online world where everyone reflys after death.

 

A quarter to half of my time spent online is in support of the ground attack guys. If you need help, just ask. Afterall, even if the fighters only cared about getting kills, they'd probably come to a spot where there are enemy fighters to shoot.

[Smokin Hole]

A quarter to half of my time spent online is in support of the ground attack guys. If you need help, just ask. Afterall, even if the fighters only cared about getting kills, they'd probably come to a spot where there are enemy fighters to shoot.

 

I overreached a bit on my reply to boberro. Of course he's not stupid. Sorry. I have flown on the 51st as both Ka50 and Su25t and a few times I enjoyed the coordination another poster described. Hopefully that's what we will see. This (our online community) is a fairly democratic world so my guess would be that servers will begin to migrate to either co-op or free-for-all and players can choose their poison. To backtrack a bit I don't really want to exclude FC2 players from the obvious DCS improvements if such a thing is possible. Every now and then even I want to fly an F-15. S!

[Steel Jaw]

greeaaaat: Air Quake meets hardcore.

 

:rolleyes:

[Dudikoff]

greeaaaat: Air Quake meets hardcore.

 

Look, it's not only about the multiplayer - I'm only interested in the single player benefits I already mentioned (graphics, editor plus the expanded map). Some of us might prefer to fly e.g. Soviet aircraft (I'll buy all the DCS combat aircraft to support it, but that doesn't mean I'm happy with their chosen aircraft).

 

Given that the DCS business model is based only on military sales, I don't think we will get a Russian aircraft anytime soon (or ever, for that matter). It reminds me of the Steel Beasts Pro where a T-72 was announced a long time ago and is still not being worked on. So, updating FC2 here and there with some features would be very welcome.

Edited February 27, 2011 by Dudikoff

[EtherealN]

My point is that the DCS standard is one of considerable coordination and planning and probably better suited to cooperative online play. Online, FC2 (and my beloved Su25) just isn't compatible with the far deeper world that ED is perfecting with DCS:WH/BS. Just my $.02.

 

Of course it is. Just fly co-op against a human OP-for. And don't limit your co-operation to other Ka-50's. Get air cover.

 

Most of my flying online outside of the squadron I've been in the F-15 and usually trying to find a proper mission - if no-one's around that wants cover I'll guard the AWACS or fly CAP over our fields, and if strikers want air cover I'll co-ordinate with them and do my level best to keep them alive. This includes covering Ka-50's on 3-hour cross-country flights to the enemy airbase, which was hilarity itself when it started smoking the enemy SAM sites on their home base. :D

 

Remember - the DCS products may be more work-intensive to control and handle in avionics and flight, but they also have added capabilities through this.

[Pilotasso]

Any merger between FC2 and DCS will be temporary. When DCS fighter comes out it ceases to make sense to continue on that path.

 

Also the reason why KA-50s are gtting spammed at is because of mission design and human behaviour, simple as that. No one in the right mind would fly in flat terrain straight from base to the FLOT thinking he wont be running into fighters.

 

BTW, helicopters only defence is to hide, regardless of their onboard equipment. For fighters a helicopter is nothing but a sitting duck with a bulseye on it.

Edited February 27, 2011 by Pilotasso

[EtherealN]

What Pilotasso said. Remember: if the fighter radars were modelled to DCS standard, the Ka-50 could go as slow as it would like - it could even sit parked on the ground. As long as the rotors are spinning it'll be like Pacman on the radar scope. :P

[volk]

What Pilotasso said. Remember: if the fighter radars were modelled to DCS standard, the Ka-50 could go as slow as it would like - it could even sit parked on the ground. As long as the rotors are spinning it'll be like Pacman on the radar scope. :P

All modern helos including Ka-50 have propellers with composites blades.

[aaron886]

Please ED, don't merge FC2 and DCS:A-10C. FC2 has no place with study simulators. Hold your standard of quality.

[sungsam]

I agree! Go for BS+ A10C online compatibility even if this means FC2+BS online compatibility drop !

 

After all, we are able to have a second installation of BS patched up to 1.02 (FC2 compatible) along with a BS installation of a future patch (A10C compatible)

Edited February 28, 2011 by sungsam