VTJS17_Fire Posted March 9, 2011 Posted March 9, 2011 On the C model, you have various bits and pieces added, such as the Pave Penny, GPS antenna and missile launch detectors, all adding drag and reducing ceiling. The A-10A had carried the Pave Penny since late 1970's. http://www.janes.com/articles/Janes-Electro-Optic-Systems/Lockheed-Martin-AN-AAS-35-V-Pave-Penny-laser-tracker-United-States.html kind regards, Fire Hardware: Intel i5 4670K | Zalman NPS9900MAX | GeIL 16GB @1333MHz | Asrock Z97 Pro4 | Sapphire Radeon R9 380X Nitro | Samsung SSDs 840 series 120GB & 250 GB | Samsung HD204UI 2TB | be quiet! Pure Power 530W | Aerocool RS-9 Devil Red | Samsung SyncMaster SA350 24" + ASUS VE198S 19" | Saitek X52 | TrackIR 5 | Thrustmaster MFD Cougar | Speedlink Darksky LED | Razor Diamondback | Razor X-Mat Control | SoundBlaster Tactic 3D Rage ### Software: Windows 10 Pro 64Bit [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Conure Posted March 9, 2011 Posted March 9, 2011 Is it normal that the A10 has alot less elevator control to dive than climb, or is my X52pro somehow detecting all wrong? Other than its VERY stall-happy nature, the 'hog is a blast to fly around in :) Ninja I think that is normal! Can I ask though, if you push your stick gently backwards when it's leaning, is there any wobble/freeplay? I've been experience it for a while and am unsure whether I have a fault...It's not very bad, just a bit annoying! Intel i7 6700k, Asus GTX1070, 16gb DDR4 @ 3200mhz, CH Fighterstick, CH Pro Throttle, CH Pro Rudder Pedals, Samsung Evo 850 SSD @ 500GB * 2, TrackIR 5 and 27" monitor running at 2560 * 1440, Windows 10.
EtherealN Posted March 9, 2011 Posted March 9, 2011 (edited) Is it normal that the A10 has alot less elevator control to dive than climb, or is my X52pro somehow detecting all wrong? Other than its VERY stall-happy nature, the 'hog is a blast to fly around in :) Normal. The A-10 (and the human body) can take more G positive than negative. If you were flying "the real thing" you'd be much happier inverting and pulling 5 positive G's (and then returning to level) than just pushing stick forward and suffering 5 negative G. This is also due to how G-suits operate - they compress your legs in order to make it hard for your blood to flow down, thus letting it stay up in your head. For negative G's you do not have a G-suit - you'd have to crush the skull before it would work. :P Thus, any "extra" forward authority on the stick/elevator would be at best wasted, and at worst directly dangerous to the pilot since it would be much easier for him to red-out himself by mistake. (Or, even if a red-out is avoided, simply give him a brain haemorrhage or permanently injure his eyesight/make him blind.) Fun quote: Negative g is generally unpleasant and can cause damage. Blood vessels in the eyes or brain may swell or burst under the increased blood pressure. Not fun. ;) Edited March 9, 2011 by EtherealN 1 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Daniel "EtherealN" Agorander | Даниэль "эфирныйн" Агорандер Intel i7 2600K @ 4.4GHz, ASUS Sabertooth P67, 8GB Corsair Vengeance @ 1600MHz, ASUS GTX 560Ti DirectCU II 1GB, Samsung 830series 512GB SSD, Corsair AX850w, two BENQ screens and TM HOTAS Warthog DCS: A-10C Warthog FAQ | DCS: P-51D FAQ | Remember to read the Forum Rules | | | Life of a Game Tester
leafer Posted March 9, 2011 Posted March 9, 2011 Can we call this a game? I just spent two hours trying to make my radios work...That's not a game... LOL This sim has made me feel oh so stupid and inadequate from day one. I stick to gun and free fall bombs to avoid contemplating suicide. :D ED have been taking my money since 1995. :P
Conure Posted March 9, 2011 Posted March 9, 2011 LOL This sim has made me feel oh so stupid and inadequate from day one. I stick to gun and free fall bombs to avoid contemplating suicide. :D Delve into the radio stuff...Though it's kinda frustrating...I feel like I'm maybe doing it right but there's a good chance I'm doing it wrong, lol Intel i7 6700k, Asus GTX1070, 16gb DDR4 @ 3200mhz, CH Fighterstick, CH Pro Throttle, CH Pro Rudder Pedals, Samsung Evo 850 SSD @ 500GB * 2, TrackIR 5 and 27" monitor running at 2560 * 1440, Windows 10.
Posted March 9, 2011 Posted March 9, 2011 How do you still have roll control?:huh: You can use rudders.
aaron886 Posted March 9, 2011 Posted March 9, 2011 We need that swear filter from Frugs that automatically corrected "game" to "sim." :D
RogueRunner Posted March 9, 2011 Posted March 9, 2011 You can use rudders. Nope, in my case, feet were on the floor, not touching the rudders and by moving the stick I had roll authority, very little and sluggish yes but still there. So unless there is some coupled connection between the rudders and ailerons this should not be possible. With the price of ammunition these days do not expect a warning shot.
ED Team Yo-Yo Posted March 9, 2011 ED Team Posted March 9, 2011 (edited) What's surprising about that ?? Between the wing area left and the large tail section.. you still have a good bit of flight surface there.. Looks like the wings on an su25 now.. I landed one like this once. it was wild but controllable. What's unreal? You just cut 30% of lifting area... you have to increase your IAS up to sqr(1.3) to preserve lift (TO BE ACCURATE - a little bit more keeping the same AoA because of aspect ratio change, but in A-10 FM this point is taken in account) or to additionally load unclipped wings aeroplane by 30%. Unsymmetrical 1/3 of a wing is not fatal too. Remember that opposite 1/3 of the wing with an ailerone can produce negative lift but it's only necessary to have ZERO LIFT to counteract a moment from the lost part. By the way, do not forget that yaw affects roll moment too. You can use rudder but after you lose a wingtip yawing moment appears because of asymmetrical drag and it helps to counteract roll. We have a bug in hydrolics DM... sorry.. but after it is fixed the plane will be harder to control but there will be no difference in FM. Edited March 9, 2011 by Yo-Yo Ніщо так сильно не ранить мозок, як уламки скла від розбитих рожевих окулярів There is nothing so hurtful for the brain as splinters of broken rose-coloured spectacles. Ничто так сильно не ранит мозг, как осколки стекла от разбитых розовых очков (С) Me
Zomba Posted March 9, 2011 Posted March 9, 2011 Just to clarify, if you have both wings lost and are just left with what is remaining inboard of both the gear sponsons, is this enough to maintain adequate lift if you managed a high enough IAS IRL? I don't test for bugs, but when I do I do it in production.
Tulkas Posted March 9, 2011 Posted March 9, 2011 (edited) I agree the Su25T from FC is more challenging that DCS A10C and because of that maybe funnier to fly (for simmers, I bet real pilots will always would prefer to take to combat the most stable and predictable platform they can get) but that doesn't mean any of them is less relistic at all. Just the oposite, they perform as they should because of it's own aerodinamics. I think RodBorza is spot on with his explanation regarding wing loads on the first page of this thread. In fact you don't need to be an engineer, look at those huge straight and thick wings! There are screaming "I am stable as a rock at low speed!" Also check out how wide the main gear is, that makes for very stable landings and you don't have to worry much about cross wind gust lifting your upwind wing during your landing roll. All these is quite different for the Su25T FC and I suspect it is different also between the real birds. Remember as well they did not think necessary a two-seater for training. Just that fact alone points that the real bird is indeed easy to fly. Cheers Tulkas Edited March 9, 2011 by Tulkas 1
ED Team Yo-Yo Posted March 9, 2011 ED Team Posted March 9, 2011 (edited) Just to clarify, if you have both wings lost and are just left with what is remaining inboard of both the gear sponsons, is this enough to maintain adequate lift if you managed a high enough IAS IRL? Do you know L = S*Rho*V^2/2*CL or L=CL*S*q formula? Edited March 9, 2011 by Yo-Yo Ніщо так сильно не ранить мозок, як уламки скла від розбитих рожевих окулярів There is nothing so hurtful for the brain as splinters of broken rose-coloured spectacles. Ничто так сильно не ранит мозг, как осколки стекла от разбитых розовых очков (С) Me
Druid_ Posted March 9, 2011 Posted March 9, 2011 ^^ you gotta love those aerodynamic equations, takes me back! .. but did you remember to reduce the drag in D = S*Rho*V^2/2*CL *(cDo+phi*cL_max^2/(pi*AR*e)) ? i7-7700K : 16Gb DDR4 2800 Mhz : Asus Mobo : 2TB HDD : Intel 520 SSD 240gb : RTX 2080ti: Win10 64pro : Dx10 : TrackiR4 : TM Warthog : ASUS ROG SWIFT PG348Q
ED Team Yo-Yo Posted March 9, 2011 ED Team Posted March 9, 2011 ^^ you gotta love those aerodynamic equations, takes me back! .. but did you remember to reduce the drag in D = S*Rho*V^2/2*CL *(cDo+phi*cL_max^2/(pi*AR*e)) ? He-he... the reality is vice-versa. If you clip your wings you will INCREASE your drag presuming that the lift is preserved. Ніщо так сильно не ранить мозок, як уламки скла від розбитих рожевих окулярів There is nothing so hurtful for the brain as splinters of broken rose-coloured spectacles. Ничто так сильно не ранит мозг, как осколки стекла от разбитых розовых очков (С) Me
Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 Nope, in my case, feet were on the floor, not touching the rudders and by moving the stick I had roll authority, very little and sluggish yes but still there. So unless there is some coupled connection between the rudders and ailerons this should not be possible. Ok, but my reply was a general one for Avilator. I was merely pointing out that it is possible to roll the plane with rudders only. I didn't know (or cared) whether in your case you had your feet on the ground.
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