SuperKungFu Posted July 30, 2005 Posted July 30, 2005 I’m sorry I know this has been brought up SEVERAL times…but I was reading over at the ubi forum and this guy bought Lock On Gold from Best Buy. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/99610606/m/4771042243 And from the looks of it, he says it includes both the original and 1.1 (2 cds). I looked at the Best Buy site and it says the box only includes 1 cd (weird). So…am I on drugs or can we actually pick up 1.1 at a local store instead of ordering it online? :icon_jook ED...can we have your input on this confusion? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
ALDEGA Posted July 30, 2005 Posted July 30, 2005 Either he was lying to deceive people into buying it, or it's true. You could ask the reseller ...
TekaTeka Posted July 30, 2005 Posted July 30, 2005 There are two guys who purchased LockOn Gold in Japanese LOMAC community, and they say it includes 1.1 FC. They had problems on the activation the software, but solved them by contacting StarForce support. Well, there are many things I don't understand. Why is LO Gold so cheap? It's $30 including the original LOMAC! It's cheaper than the download version of FC only. Why didn't ED say anything about it? People asked it several times. Even a guy from NaturalPoint was wondering about it and asked it to ED, and he said it was not FC! See here. http://forum.lockon.ru/showpost.php?p=61292&postcount=19 What is going on??? :confused: :icon_evil TekaTeka from Japan [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Visit my site Beyond Visual Range.
Strannik Posted July 30, 2005 Posted July 30, 2005 As I understood, so publisher for this "gold" is "Evolved Games". My question is - what game developer (ED) have to do with that? Ask "Evolved Games" what "gold" include. Look at this company home page. You think it is a serious company? http://www.evolvedgames.com Read costomer reviews too http://www.ebgames.com/ebx/editorial/reviews/reviews.asp?pf_id=256249&intDeptTab=2 I think that problem is with EG, not with ED! Knowlege is power!!!
WhiskeyRomeo Posted July 30, 2005 Posted July 30, 2005 From the screenshots posted in the Community Help thread SuperKungFu mentions it's pretty clear that Lock On Gold DOES include Flaming Cliffs vers 1.1. These are the screenshots posted by Coug68 today: Splash Screen Strannik; I'm guessing that UbiSoft had Evolved Games package and distribute this Lock On Gold. I'm sure we're all hoping that ED is going to at least some financial support from sales of Lock On Gold. Im sure we'll be hearing more about this.....
britgliderpilot Posted July 30, 2005 Posted July 30, 2005 I spy legal difficulties! http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v121/britgliderpilot/BS2Britgliderpilot-1.jpg
Colt40Five Posted July 30, 2005 Posted July 30, 2005 Who's to say ED didn't know about this release from the beginning? Or that they may not have either the resources or the position to persue legal action? however it came about, bottom line is FC for $30 US with no shipping. I'm glad I waited to see how this played out before purchasing a $50 copy from NP! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
britgliderpilot Posted July 30, 2005 Posted July 30, 2005 Who's to say ED didn't know about this release from the beginning? Or that they may not have either the resources or the position to persue legal action? however it came about, bottom line is FC for $30 US with no shipping. I'm glad I waited to see how this played out before purchasing a $50 copy from NP! The problem with that is that if you end up buying an illegal version of v1.1, you're probably breaking the law - not to mention ripping off ED. The less money goes to ED, the less time they have to work on future projects . . . . . http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v121/britgliderpilot/BS2Britgliderpilot-1.jpg
Colt40Five Posted July 30, 2005 Posted July 30, 2005 If I buy it from BestBuy how is that an illegal copy? And is the burden of proof on me to ensure that software I buy from a main-stream outlet is legal? And if ED is indeed not getting any compensation for this release(which has yet to be determined) either they could not or would not fight to defend their IP. Is that my concern either? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
britgliderpilot Posted July 30, 2005 Posted July 30, 2005 If I buy it from BestBuy how is that an illegal copy? And is the burden of proof on me to ensure that software I buy from a main-stream outlet is legal? And if ED is indeed not getting any compensation for this release(which has yet to be determined) either they could not or would not fight to defend their IP. Is that my concern either? If Best Buy haven't been given the right to use v1.1, then it's not a legal copy. All previous official announcements have been unaware that Lock On Gold includes v1.1 - including, IIRC, quotes from the devs. So if v1.1 is on that disk . . . . where has it come from? It isn't free. Is it your concern? Do I even need to answer that question? http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v121/britgliderpilot/BS2Britgliderpilot-1.jpg
wolf8218 Posted July 30, 2005 Posted July 30, 2005 britglider.. lol youre so wrong. UBISOFT owns the rights to Lock On, and if (slim chance) they have included FC in it that means they have a deal with ED. If best buy has it in stock from UBISOFT they have done nothing illegaly and youre just talking out of your ass.
britgliderpilot Posted July 30, 2005 Posted July 30, 2005 britglider.. lol youre so wrong. UBISOFT owns the rights to Lock On, and if (slim chance) they have included FC in it that means they have a deal with ED. If best buy has it in stock from UBISOFT they have done nothing illegaly and youre just talking out of your ass. Au contraire - observe the bottom of this thread. http://forum.lockon.ru/showthread.php?t=7913&page=2 ED saying that Lock On: Gold is not valid. Ubisoft own the rights to Lock On: Modern Air Combat. They do not own the rights to Lock On: Flaming Cliffs. They contributed nothing towards it's development. ED are permitted, by terms of their original contract with Ubisoft, to do one independent addon. Independent - without Ubisoft. Ubisoft contributed no money . . . . . . you see what I'm getting at now? http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v121/britgliderpilot/BS2Britgliderpilot-1.jpg
britgliderpilot Posted July 30, 2005 Posted July 30, 2005 Further, see Stormin's quote in this thread: http://forums.ubi.com/eve/ubb.x/a/tpc/f/38610606/m/1491073713 http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v121/britgliderpilot/BS2Britgliderpilot-1.jpg
britgliderpilot Posted July 30, 2005 Posted July 30, 2005 More? OK then - try this thread: http://forum.lockon.ru/showthread.php?t=8500&highlight=Lock+Gold http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v121/britgliderpilot/BS2Britgliderpilot-1.jpg
Colt40Five Posted July 30, 2005 Posted July 30, 2005 no it isn't free...it costs $30 at bestbuy, gamestop, EBgames, amazon..etc.... And just because ED hasn't seen fit to let us in on all their business dealings, doesn't mean they haven't occurred. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
britgliderpilot Posted July 30, 2005 Posted July 30, 2005 no it isn't free...it costs $30 at bestbuy, gamestop, EBgames, amazon..etc.... And just because ED hasn't seen fit to let us in on all their business dealings, doesn't mean they haven't occurred. I really don't see what you're getting at. ED distribute FC at the price they decide is appropriate - even now that's only $25. My understanding is that that all NaturalPoint were doing is providing a distributor - alright, with a slight overhead to cover distribution and profits. I genuinely don't see how Lock On: Gold can have a profit margin if ED are making what they are asking for at other sales locations. Asking whether it's your concern to buy something you know to be of dubious legal status is asking if it's OK to break the law if nobody notices. It's still wrong - and I would hope that you'd be trying to support your hobby here. It's squeezed enough as it is. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v121/britgliderpilot/BS2Britgliderpilot-1.jpg
wolf8218 Posted July 30, 2005 Posted July 30, 2005 it means that the product does not include Flaming cliffs... so all your talk about being "illegal" isnt really true.
britgliderpilot Posted July 30, 2005 Posted July 30, 2005 it means that the product does not include Flaming cliffs... so all your talk about being "illegal" isnt really true. Did you ignore the first page of this thread? :p http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v121/britgliderpilot/BS2Britgliderpilot-1.jpg
Colt40Five Posted July 30, 2005 Posted July 30, 2005 All i'm saying is it's between Evolved-ED-the retailer...READ NOT ME. And I am so sick of the doom and gloom about our hobby!! falcon4:AF just opened HUGE! With every intention of their being a falcon 5(or whatever they call it) straight from LP's mouth. then there's Fighter Ops, BoB II, Jet Thunder, MSFS 5, the sim future has never looked brighter!!!! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
wolf8218 Posted July 30, 2005 Posted July 30, 2005 its not illegal face it.... Ubi has lots of lawyers and im pretty sure if it actually has Flaming Cliffs they have the right to sell it.
britgliderpilot Posted July 30, 2005 Posted July 30, 2005 I don't care if ED go down the tubes! Thank you for your carefully reasoned answer. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v121/britgliderpilot/BS2Britgliderpilot-1.jpg
Colt40Five Posted July 30, 2005 Posted July 30, 2005 haha wow you have a complex dude...If i had really posted those words why would i even be here? Fact is I do care, and I want to see ED succeed, but they are not going to do it by manipulating the community into costly "advance" purchases. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Guest ruggbutt Posted July 30, 2005 Posted July 30, 2005 its not illegal face it.... Ubi has lots of lawyers and im pretty sure if it actually has Flaming Cliffs they have the right to sell it. Because they have lawyers it's ok? Did I read that right? If I hire a lawyer then I have the right to steal from people? Lawyers are for arguing the legality of issues between two parties. Just because UBI is a large company doesn't mean they're in the right. And knowing this only an asshat would purchase the Gold release. Those that have it might (technically) own a pirated edition of the software.
tflash Posted July 30, 2005 Posted July 30, 2005 Whatever comes out about this Lockon Gold story, fact is that prices erode quickly in the gaming business. A game of a year old is often already recycled at lower prices. I bought my first copy of Counter Strike CZ somewhere around 40 Euros if I recall it right, six months later I bought a second copy for 17 euros in the same store! I also bought recently a second copy of Lockon 1.01 (no, not FC 1.1!!!) for 14 euros. The same for Strike Fighters, I have 3 copies of it, for the last one I paid not much more than 15 euros or so. Remember all our discusions about Starforce? Well, it worked: it protected the investment during the critical first 3-6 months after launch. That's enough. I think the best you can do to stay supportive of the simmakers is to not only buy the first copy at full price, but also buy the cheaper ones afterwards ... for "spare parts" :=) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
wolf8218 Posted July 30, 2005 Posted July 30, 2005 no, i mean UBISOFT has many lawyers that get big paychecks and if they overlooked something THIS big then they are going to get fired. LOL.
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