Forest Rat Posted June 21, 2011 Posted June 21, 2011 Does anyone else feel there should be 8 key bindings for slew? With an 8-way hat switch the norm on almost every joystick it would be nice to be able to slew the TGP diagonally (without having to use the keyboard). It could be the same configuration as the view bindings. :joystick: (Current View Configuration) (Current Slew Configuration)
cichlidfan Posted June 21, 2011 Posted June 21, 2011 Does anyone else feel there should be 8 key bindings for slew? With an 8-way hat switch the norm on almost every joystick it would be nice to be able to slew the TGP diagonally (without having to use the keyboard). How does the control in the actual plane work?:) ASUS ROG Maximus VIII Hero, i7-6700K, Noctua NH-D14 Cooler, Crucial 32GB DDR4 2133, Samsung 950 Pro NVMe 256GB, Samsung EVO 250GB & 500GB SSD, 2TB Caviar Black, Zotac GTX 1080 AMP! Extreme 8GB, Corsair HX1000i, Phillips BDM4065UC 40" 4k monitor, VX2258 TouchScreen, TIR 5 w/ProClip, TM Warthog, VKB Gladiator Pro, Saitek X56, et. al., MFG Crosswind Pedals #1199, VolairSim Pit, Rift CV1 :thumbup:
lubey Posted June 21, 2011 Posted June 21, 2011 (edited) Have you mapped the slew to an 8-way hat? If so then might I suggest mapping the diagonals of the hat to press both cardinal directions either side of it at once? E.g. the South-East direction simultaneuosly emulates a '.' and '/' . Then it should be pretty much the same thing as using the keyboard. I think you'd have to do that in the hotas's programming software though, if it has any. So I see your point for those using the in-game config Edited June 21, 2011 by lubey SPECS: Intel Core i5 760 @ 3.2 Ghz +turboboost enabled, 12 GB DDR3 1600 @ 1500 Mhz, ATI Radeon 5850, TrackIR 5, X52 Pro and Saitek pedals
Forest Rat Posted June 21, 2011 Author Posted June 21, 2011 Yes .... whether the real HOTAS slew allows diagonal movement would need to be confirmed. Diagonal movement is currently allowed if you use the keyboard and press both directions at once. *shrug*
Forest Rat Posted June 21, 2011 Author Posted June 21, 2011 Going off of this video I'd say it's *safe* to say the equipment is capable of slewing diagonally. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMW__1HZ5zQ
Frostiken Posted June 21, 2011 Posted June 21, 2011 (edited) The real-life slew (or TDC as I'm more familiar with it) works with a set of 8 variable resistors in the four directions offered, two each. One resistor works for fine movements and one for coarse. It can slew diagonally by simply combining analog inputs. Edited June 21, 2011 by Frostiken [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
-Ice Posted June 21, 2011 Posted June 21, 2011 The VIEW settings is for looking around... ie, like if you don't have TrackIR. The HOTAS SLEW commands are for slewing TGP. They're two different commands. :D - Ice
Forest Rat Posted June 21, 2011 Author Posted June 21, 2011 The VIEW settings is for looking around... ie, like if you don't have TrackIR. The HOTAS SLEW commands are for slewing TGP. They're two different commands. :D I'm well aware... I was simply posting an example of how the slew key bindings should be.
Soul Posted June 21, 2011 Posted June 21, 2011 Agreed that their should be diagonal slew commands for the tgp/mav i have a tendency I am trying to break in using the keyboard for my hotas and so far this has been the hardest one for that very reason.
cichlidfan Posted June 21, 2011 Posted June 21, 2011 I got to thinking about this and realised that I was not having the problem so I just tested my setup. I can slew diagonally with my X52 just fine. I am using the SST software and I have the little mouse stick set to bands at each end of the two axis. Each is assigned to the appropriate slew key and it works on the diagonal just perfectly. In other words, it is acting like the real thing as well as the keyboard two key trick with no gimicks.:) ASUS ROG Maximus VIII Hero, i7-6700K, Noctua NH-D14 Cooler, Crucial 32GB DDR4 2133, Samsung 950 Pro NVMe 256GB, Samsung EVO 250GB & 500GB SSD, 2TB Caviar Black, Zotac GTX 1080 AMP! Extreme 8GB, Corsair HX1000i, Phillips BDM4065UC 40" 4k monitor, VX2258 TouchScreen, TIR 5 w/ProClip, TM Warthog, VKB Gladiator Pro, Saitek X56, et. al., MFG Crosswind Pedals #1199, VolairSim Pit, Rift CV1 :thumbup:
Iceman2011 Posted June 21, 2011 Posted June 21, 2011 If you mean HOTAS Warthogs slewing, it moves diagonally when two directions are pressed at same time by default, there just isn't buttons to configure
Soul Posted June 22, 2011 Posted June 22, 2011 My joystick must be crappy then, which it very well is, but it gets me through the missions just fine so I shouldn't complain. :joystick:
cichlidfan Posted June 22, 2011 Posted June 22, 2011 My joystick must be crappy then, which it very well is, but it gets me through the missions just fine so I shouldn't complain. :joystick: It could just be the way the switch logic in the stick is designed. If the hat switches are designed, or programed, to be exclusive then it just won't work. If the two button keyboard trick works then program two keys to the diagonal on your slew hat.:smartass: ASUS ROG Maximus VIII Hero, i7-6700K, Noctua NH-D14 Cooler, Crucial 32GB DDR4 2133, Samsung 950 Pro NVMe 256GB, Samsung EVO 250GB & 500GB SSD, 2TB Caviar Black, Zotac GTX 1080 AMP! Extreme 8GB, Corsair HX1000i, Phillips BDM4065UC 40" 4k monitor, VX2258 TouchScreen, TIR 5 w/ProClip, TM Warthog, VKB Gladiator Pro, Saitek X56, et. al., MFG Crosswind Pedals #1199, VolairSim Pit, Rift CV1 :thumbup:
Forest Rat Posted June 22, 2011 Author Posted June 22, 2011 If the two button keyboard trick works then program two keys to the diagonal on your slew hat.:smartass: Well, I was going for a solution that didn't involve 3rd party software.
Firewolf34 Posted July 14, 2011 Posted July 14, 2011 Yeah, I think just adding in the diagonals like they did with the view controls would be a hundred times easier. As it is, the Maverick keeps trying to auto-lock whenever I move to a diagonal, and having to take my finger off of the hat to switch to the vertical and horizontal buttons seems way to cumbersome. They had the same problem with the Shkval's in Black Shark, and my cheap 60$ joystick can't do any form of analogue input to simulate two buttons being pressed at once. That being said, do any of you know of third-party software that could help me emulate a diagonal button press? I'm running 64-bit Windows 7.
Speed Posted July 14, 2011 Posted July 14, 2011 (edited) Yes, you should bind your HOTAS slew to and eight way switch if you can. As previously mentioned, this is quite easy to do by just programming the up-right hat direction to be slew up + slew right, the down-right hat direction to be slew down + slew right, etc, etc. So if you cannot do this in the in-game controls editor, it is yet ANOTHER reason one should use the programming software that comes with your stick, assuming you have that kind of stick. Some people refuse to use the SST or whatever software... oh well, their loss. Edited July 14, 2011 by Speed Intelligent discourse can only begin with the honest admission of your own fallibility. Member of the Virtual Tactical Air Group: http://vtacticalairgroup.com/ Lua scripts and mods: MIssion Scripting Tools (Mist): http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=98616 Slmod version 7.0 for DCS: World: http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=80979 Now includes remote server administration tools for kicking, banning, loading missions, etc.
Baggy MacDouche Posted July 14, 2011 Posted July 14, 2011 I've thought about assigning the slew to another hat on my warthog. I'm not a big fan on the slew nub thing that it has going on. First, it took a good amount of tweaking of the axis settings in the options to get it to be more responsive. I still have to adjust the slew rate in the stats page to 7 to smooth it out. The other annoying problem I seem to have is when holding the slew nub fully in one direction, often times the TGP view will just stop. I'll have to let the nub center and then try again, sometimes repeatedly. Sometimes I just have to find a "sweet" spot where it will continually accept input commands and keep slewing the TGP without stopping, and it is not like there is a whole lot of travel on the thing. I don't know if this issue is unique to my stick or other warthog owners experience it, or have any suggestions on slew setup. I've only seen a few on this board and have used those as a starting point to tweak on. Corsair Graphite 780T / ASUS Maximus VIII Hero / i7-6700K@4.5GHz / Corsair H110i / 32GB DDR4 PC-2666 / ASUS 1080 Strix / EVGA 850 Pro / Samsung 950 Pro M.2 SSD / Win10x64 / Samsung UN48JU7500 4k / Logitech G910/933 KB/Headphones / Razer Naga Epic Mouse / MFG Crosswinds / TM HOTAS Warthog / HTC Vive
KLaFaille Posted July 15, 2011 Posted July 15, 2011 The real transducer slew switch only has an X and Y axis. Voltage differences between each axis can be translated into diagonal movements. The real transducer is fed a voltage which then goes through the internal resistors and as the shaft moves the resistance changes thus varying the output voltages. These are fed through an operational amplifier circuit which boosts the voltages and they are sent to the aircraft. There are trimmer pots that are used to center and equalize the default resting position voltages. Red
zyph3r Posted July 15, 2011 Posted July 15, 2011 Going off of this video I'd say it's *safe* to say the equipment is capable of slewing diagonally. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMW__1HZ5zQ Is this vid for real? I didnt know that pilot could look threw the mav cam when the mav been released??? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Laptop Alienware m17x Intel Core 2 extreme CPU Q3000 @2.53GHz 2.53 GHz 8 GB RAM 2 x NVIDIA 280M TM HOTAS COUGAR, 24'' Samsung screen, TIR5
Speed Posted July 15, 2011 Posted July 15, 2011 Is this vid for real? I didnt know that pilot could look threw the mav cam when the mav been released??? Yea, wtf... looks like mav symbology and they say "rifle" over the radio.... GGTharos, what is this? :D Intelligent discourse can only begin with the honest admission of your own fallibility. Member of the Virtual Tactical Air Group: http://vtacticalairgroup.com/ Lua scripts and mods: MIssion Scripting Tools (Mist): http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=98616 Slmod version 7.0 for DCS: World: http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=80979 Now includes remote server administration tools for kicking, banning, loading missions, etc.
Harzach Posted July 15, 2011 Posted July 15, 2011 I've thought about assigning the slew to another hat on my warthog. I'm not a big fan on the slew nub thing that it has going on. First, it took a good amount of tweaking of the axis settings in the options to get it to be more responsive. I still have to adjust the slew rate in the stats page to 7 to smooth it out. The other annoying problem I seem to have is when holding the slew nub fully in one direction, often times the TGP view will just stop. I'll have to let the nub center and then try again, sometimes repeatedly. Sometimes I just have to find a "sweet" spot where it will continually accept input commands and keep slewing the TGP without stopping, and it is not like there is a whole lot of travel on the thing. I don't know if this issue is unique to my stick or other warthog owners experience it, or have any suggestions on slew setup. I've only seen a few on this board and have used those as a starting point to tweak on. I have experienced the same behavior with my Warthog, so it isn't just yours. As for setup, I have only tweaked the curve and sensitivity a bit - I should probably spend a little more time on it...
nomdeplume Posted July 15, 2011 Posted July 15, 2011 (edited) Yea, wtf... looks like mav symbology and they say "rifle" over the radio.... GGTharos, what is this? :D This thread: http://www.f-16.net/f-16_forum_viewtopic-t-14176.html has discussion about AGM-65Bs behaving badly, a picture of 3 Mavs on an LAU-88, and ends with this post from someone: We use a lot of digital TM equipped K models. You can read the serial number of the tanks before impact... Great video.That's all I've found on the subject so far. Edited July 15, 2011 by nomdeplume s/TER/LAU-88/
Baggy MacDouche Posted July 15, 2011 Posted July 15, 2011 I have experienced the same behavior with my Warthog, so it isn't just yours. As for setup, I have only tweaked the curve and sensitivity a bit - I should probably spend a little more time on it... Good to know...I guess :) I wonder if it is a design flaw or if it is something that could be ironed out through tweaking. The main thing I want to avoid is having to use the Target software. Corsair Graphite 780T / ASUS Maximus VIII Hero / i7-6700K@4.5GHz / Corsair H110i / 32GB DDR4 PC-2666 / ASUS 1080 Strix / EVGA 850 Pro / Samsung 950 Pro M.2 SSD / Win10x64 / Samsung UN48JU7500 4k / Logitech G910/933 KB/Headphones / Razer Naga Epic Mouse / MFG Crosswinds / TM HOTAS Warthog / HTC Vive
Forest Rat Posted July 15, 2011 Author Posted July 15, 2011 This thread: http://www.f-16.net/f-16_forum_viewtopic-t-14176.html has discussion about AGM-65Bs behaving badly, a picture of 3 Mavs on a TER, and ends with this post from someone: That's all I've found on the subject so far. That picture would be of a LAU-88 ... not a TER. 1
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