Weird hardpoint behaviour

[WildBillKelsoe]

Hi all,

 

Been playing the mission "Shooting Range", practicing sim-difficulty flight.

 

So in the editor, I set time to night, since I itch to using the vikhr/Kh with the OM (illuminator rocket).

 

So in the hardpoints

 

1-Kh-25ML

2- S-80OM (Candles) x 20

3- S-13 x 5

4- 6 x 9K121 Vikhr missiles

 

and as you'll notice I fired all but the illuminator rockets, of course as a demo to you guys, since the locking is awkward without lights.

 

My questions:

 

1- Is that a bug? or do I have to switch hardpoints, and by that say HP 1/4 get the OM rocket, so I now have less capacity for the vikhr since the weight has to be balanced?

 

2- Why are missiles limited to the outside hardpoint? Is it for the backfire?

Weight is equal no less, and even so, in hover, releasing the Kh-25ML causes a jerk unwitnessed with the Vikhr.

 

I hope Mr. Matt answers these if he will. And here is the track:

[Yurgon]

So in the hardpoints

 

1-Kh-25ML

2- S-80OM (Candles) x 20

3- S-13 x 5

4- 6 x 9K121 Vikhr missiles

 

Wow, I didn't even know it was possible to create an asymmetrical payload.

 

I don't think the Ka-50 is meant to carry such a payload, since you can either select the outer hardpoints, the inner hardpoints or both. With an asymmetrical payload, which weapon will be used? Let's take the above example and select outer hardpoints - which is going to be used, a Kh-25ML or a Vikhr?

 

AFAIK the Ka-50 lacks a stores management system that could be used for such a payload. So I assume that your problem simply has to do with this.

 

In the section on weapon employment in the manual I didn't find anything on asymmetrical payloads either.

 

2- Why are missiles limited to the outside hardpoint? Is it for the backfire?

Weight is equal no less, and even so, in hover, releasing the Kh-25ML causes a jerk unwitnessed with the Vikhr.

 

The outer hardpoints can be tilted up and down so that the missile can be launched at the target in a (more or less) direct LOS. The inner hardpoints lack this ability. But don't ask me why, I've read it somewhere but forgotten all about the reason. :-)

 

I hope Mr. Matt answers these if he will.

 

Sorry, you'll have to put up with me for now. :-)

[WildBillKelsoe]

Wow, I didn't even know it was possible to create an asymmetrical payload.

 

I don't think the Ka-50 is meant to carry such a payload, since you can either select the outer hardpoints, the inner hardpoints or both. With an asymmetrical payload, which weapon will be used? Let's take the above example and select outer hardpoints - which is going to be used, a Kh-25ML or a Vikhr?

 

AFAIK the Ka-50 lacks a stores management system that could be used for such a payload. So I assume that your problem simply has to do with this.

 

In the section on weapon employment in the manual I didn't find anything on asymmetrical payloads either.

 

 

 

The outer hardpoints can be tilted up and down so that the missile can be launched at the target in a (more or less) direct LOS. The inner hardpoints lack this ability. But don't ask me why, I've read it somewhere but forgotten all about the reason. :-)

 

 

 

Sorry, you'll have to put up with me for now. :-)

 

 

With asymmetrical payloads thrown away, if you watch my track, which is very short, I tell you, I fired both the vikhr and the Kh-25ML from the outside HPs. the inside HP has something wrong with it. I'll try switching but I dont think it will work.

 

Its the APU-6 tilter they use on the outside. Fine I'll succumb, but again, inner hps are bugged??

Edited July 5, 2011 by WildBillKelsoe

[Yurgon]

With asymmetrical payloads thrown away, if you watch my track, which is very short, I tell you, I fired both the vikhr and the Kh-25ML from the outside HPs. the inside HP has something wrong with it. I'll try switching but I dont think it will work.

 

Its the APU-6 tilter they use on the outside. Fine I'll succumb, but again, inner hps are bugged??

Your track wasn't really that short. You could have done all that in, like, 2 minutes. :-)

 

We're about to enter a loop here, so let me break it.

 

I assume that the Ka-50 is not supposed to be equipped with an asymmetrical weapon load. If this assumption is correct, it doesn't matter whether or not anything you try with such a payload works. As a consequence, the behavior described by you is not bugged, no matter your expectations.

 

You assume asymmetrical payloads are supposed to work. In this case, don't just argue that it must be bugged because it doesn't work (the way you would like it to). Turn your assumption into fact by providing sources. Manpages, forum discussions, real life pictures (Ka-52 doesn't count! :smilewink:) or some such.

 

Or you could at least start by coming up with a solution to the following problem: How can the pilot specifically select any single one of the four hardpoints with the given set of controls already available (inner/outer/all)?

(I've got a possible solution, but you're the one who came up with this in the first place, so you should do some thinking too :-) )

[EtherealN]

Regarding the hardpoints and missiles - it's not just about the tilting. Inboard hardpoints don't have any wiring for such weapons either.

[sobek]

Weight is equal no less, and even so, in hover, releasing the Kh-25ML causes a jerk unwitnessed with the Vikhr.

 

I'm not sure i understand correctly, but sure thing the Kh-25 will cause the helicopter to jerk more than the vikhr, it weighs, what, like >6times more? If you fire the first vikhr, 5 still remain in the tubes, if you fire the Kh, the whole weight is gone at once. I think weight among safe firing clearance is the reason why it was never really used for the Ka-50.