Campaign comms problem and CCRP question.

[ManoloXL]

Hello guys. Im new to the sim. I have been I have been doing searches on problems I have been having but I cant seem to figure these two out. First the campaine.. I have I have easy communication, radio assists ect checked in the options menu. On the first mission of the devils cross, I got off the ground and I headed to waypoint CP to contact Darkstar 4-1 as instructed in the preflight mission info. When I got close, I hit my radio comm menu and seen JTAC in black text. I hit it, then darthstar, then check in. I heard the voice of me giving him all my info when asking for tasking. I didnt get a reply. I did this a few times flying around the CP and got nothing (I assume he's dead.. lol.) THen I pulled up a screenshot of the preflight mission info so I can try to get the radio working on his freq. I noticed after I did that, in the radio menu.. his name went from black to gray like the rest of the test. I still didnt get a response after trying a few more times after adjusting the radio. Can anyone tell me whats going on?

 

CCRP.. love hate relationship here. In training I missed every time. I seen video's on how to do it correctly and to my knowledge I did everything right, but the ordinance dropped would always skip past the target. Not very far past.. but its still not a hit none the less. I'd miss by maybe between one to two times the width of the runway. I told my self I didnt need CCRP that I would use CCIP because thats what I prefer anyway. In my mission when darkstar was silent, I figured id just go out and killl something. Dove in on a glob of enemy ground units and got chopped up immediately. I now know CCRP is my best friend, lol.

 

Sorry for the novel guys. Can anyone shed some light?

[Tango]

CCRP.. love hate relationship here. In training I missed every time. I seen video's on how to do it correctly and to my knowledge I did everything right, but the ordinance dropped would always skip past the target. Not very far past..

Seems there are still a few bugs here especially if a target is on a mountain. I consistently missed with 2 CBU-105 despite the fact it is supposed to be INS guided to correct for wind, etc..

 

That said, CCRP accounts for winds and aircraft parameters so should be more reliable than CCIP. Are you sure the SPI is what/where you think it is?

 

Sorry I can't help with the comms issue.

 

Best regards,

Tango.

[Guest Fury_007]

Not sure about your first problem.

 

Your second question could be related to a few problems. To troubleshoot :

1) what ordinance are you dropping?

-If it is gps guided munitions like gbu 31 and 38,you have to make sure you wait for complete alignment when you set up the cdu. The bombs use gps to guide to a point on the ground and if your alignment is not 100%, your bombs could be slightly off.

-If it is laser guided munitions like the 10 and 12, you might try altering the auto lase time and/or dropping from a higher altitude.

- If it is unguided (dumb) munitions, remember ccrp with dumb bombs is not going to be very accurate.

 

2) how are you acquiring and setting your target as the spi?

- if your slant angle is shallow, the tgp could actually be pointing behind the target. As I once read: the only true slant angle is from directly above the target (pointing down).

-try using point tracking on the tgp.

:book:

3) target altitude issue (although I highly doubt it). I've never manually adjusted the target altitude and rarely miss with guided munitions.

 

I hope some of this helped.

Edited August 23, 2011 by Fury_007

[Lane]

Hello guys. Im new to the sim. I have been I have been doing searches on problems I have been having but I cant seem to figure these two out. First the campaine.. I have I have easy communication, radio assists ect checked in the options menu. On the first mission of the devils cross, I got off the ground and I headed to waypoint CP to contact Darkstar 4-1 as instructed in the preflight mission info. When I got close, I hit my radio comm menu and seen JTAC in black text. I hit it, then darthstar, then check in. I heard the voice of me giving him all my info when asking for tasking. I didnt get a reply. I did this a few times flying around the CP and got nothing (I assume he's dead.. lol.) THen I pulled up a screenshot of the preflight mission info so I can try to get the radio working on his freq. I noticed after I did that, in the radio menu.. his name went from black to gray like the rest of the test. I still didnt get a response after trying a few more times after adjusting the radio. Can anyone tell me whats going on?

 

CCRP.. love hate relationship here. In training I missed every time. I seen video's on how to do it correctly and to my knowledge I did everything right, but the ordinance dropped would always skip past the target. Not very far past.. but its still not a hit none the less. I'd miss by maybe between one to two times the width of the runway. I told my self I didnt need CCRP that I would use CCIP because thats what I prefer anyway. In my mission when darkstar was silent, I figured id just go out and killl something. Dove in on a glob of enemy ground units and got chopped up immediately. I now know CCRP is my best friend, lol.

 

Sorry for the novel guys. Can anyone shed some light?

 

 

Huum on first mission, you have 2 Jtac, have you try the second ? does Jtac respond in standard mission ?

[Dejjvid]

I've never missed a CCRP bomb delivery in .09. I often have my laser in latched mode. When i set SPI i always have the laser active if the targets is in 'tricky' places.

 

If you set SPI from 25nm, you are likely to set it up to 50m off the target, depending of your altitude of course. If i create markpoints in order to drop several 38's, i stay max 15nm out. And they're always dead on.

 

Post a track and i can review it tonight.

[ManoloXL]

Thanks guys for responding. The radio issue was better the next time I loaded. Im pritty sure the SPI is set correctly. I line the square with the dot in the middle over my target and use L. Crl Up arrow and it sets. I have been using CBU 97. Dejjvid, I was just thinking, "how can I mark targets from 25nm away when I can bairly see them." Based on what you guys are saying, I think I understand what im doing wrong. I think ill start using CBU 105's Tango mentioned in combo with the TGP. When I do that in CCRP mode, it wont force me to wait till I get over the target to drop, right? It'll just release like mavs do? I cant upload a track right now, but here are 3 screens that demo my troubles. Last few trips I have been falling short a bit. Its hard to stay level and aligned at the same time, but I did that successfully and still came up short.

 

http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/6/4/50347/dcs%202011-08-24%2020-24-35-33.jpg

 

http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/6/4/50347/dcs%202011-08-24%2020-24-57-03.jpg

 

http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/6/4/50347/dcs%202011-08-24%2020-27-07-18.jpg

 

This may be just boil down to me not understanding the different types of munitions available to me. I knew I needed clusters for this mission, but I didnt know there were guided clusters available.

Edited August 25, 2011 by ManoloXL

[BlackRazor]

Just an FYI: currently CBU 97s and 105s are broken as they do the same damage as CBU 87s and 103s; don't expect to be able to reliably kill heavily armoured vehicles (i.e. tanks) with those bombs.

[159th_Viper]

Im pritty sure the SPI is set correctly.....

 

In one HUD picture you posted the SPI-Generator in your current steerpoint whilst the other SPI-Generator is your TDC, both which have the propensity, depending on the circumstances, to be wildly inaccurate, thus explaining why your bombs are landing short.

 

I would recommend that you use the TGP and set the SPI with the TGP - your accuracy will improve greatly.

[MTFDarkEagle]

In one HUD picture you posted the SPI-Generator in your current steerpoint whilst the other SPI-Generator is your TDC, both which have the propensity, depending on the circumstances, to be wildly inaccurate, thus explaining why your bombs are landing short.

 

I would recommend that you use the TGP and set the SPI with the TGP - your accuracy will improve greatly.

You beat me to it :)

 

I was just about to say that.

[Guest Izoul123]

For the radio issues, you might be having the same problem I did. The .9 patch you can no longer use the " \ " key to toggle radio comms, only as a 'reply to' key. It's the hotas mic switch commands. See: Rshift + NUM- etc etc in your control settings and remap all 3 channels to easier buttons on your keyboard. I did back space, =, and - for my channels so I could still use " \ " for the reply key since they're all in a close cluster there. When you toggle you'll see the appropriate channels light up/go black so you'll know you're on the right radio. This will allow you to still give commands to your flight as well while staying in contact with JTAC at the same time.

 

(I'm also using easy radio comms as well)

Edited August 26, 2011 by Izoul123

[ManoloXL]

Thanks for the heads up. Whats the best guided bomb to use that will fit 3 to 1 rack? Yesterday, I was setting the SPI with the TGP which gave me good effect. I actually finished the first level which was a good feeling. I appreciate the help guys. Izoul, I use the number lock as my radio menu key. I did notice though that when JTAC stops responding, if I check out then recontact him, it works out. I still cant figure out why JTAC screams abort sometimes. The only thing I can think of right now is that maybe the enemy has changed direction or something.

[BlackRazor]

Whats the best guided bomb to use that will fit 3 to 1 rack?

 

The only guided bomb that can be mounter on TERs is the GBU-12.

[RobC]

As others have said, if you are missing by only a little with CCRP (especially with guided munitions), its possible that you are dropping correctly but with a bad targeting point.

 

The HUD is convenient and fast but not particularly accurate, my preferred method if I want to use that is:

- Set the HUD marker as SOI (TMS long up)

- Slave all to it (China hat Forward long)

- TGP as SOI

- Refine the mark with the laser and TMS long up again to set SPI

 

It sounds like a lot of steps but really it only takes a couple seconds to do with a little practice.

 

Its also important to realize the difference between laser marking and INS marking, this is a really great video on that posted from another thread:

 

[ManoloXL]

Thanks guys. Im accuracy is much more deadly now.