I almost fired up a real F-16c tonight

[Eddie]

Very nice Tuls, I've never had the chance to jump into a USAF Viper although I did get a nice look around a Belgian A model a few years back. I really want that canopy on my Hog. :D

 

I did try and arrange a look around the USMC Super Hornets while I was out in the desert but it was essentially impossible. Despite the fact we let the Marines come and have a look at the Tornados, and did a fair few favours for them, they seemed very reluctant to return the favour which was a bit dissapointing. Of course the USAF guys were great but, as is always the way, the day we arranged to go and visit the A-10s I had to get the flu (or Ebola as it seemed to be at the time), so I missed that out there as well.

 

Letting the MPs (yeah we still call them that , "security forces" makes them sound important) anywhere near the airfield is dangerous, never mind an actual aircraft.

 

When it comes to MPs I've always like our approach, give tham a nice electric barrier with an up and down button to press or a nice fluffy dog to walk around with. It keeps them happy, and out of the way.

[TulsA-10]

That's suck you got the flu.. I would got just to pass out in the cockpit..lol There is an airshow coming up in fort smith ak home of the 188th in october i'm going to. There will be lot's of a-10's to fondel. If they give me the chanse to hop in.. i'm all over it. I already have the hilton on reserve two blocks up the street from the airport so we can just walk over.

 

Climing in the viper was a once in a life time event so i could not say no the second they said clime in.. If the seat went off with me in then what a way to go out. I'll sign a waiver next time.. just kidding.. I know they don't have waivers. I feel i must say this because i don't want anyone taking it to literal.

 

I guess some of you would hate to hear that my wife and i will put our 16 month old in the front seat of the car while in park with him in our lap and let him play with the wheel, wipers, stereo, and turn signals with an airbag inches in front of him. I remember growing up being 8 or 9 and my dad would put me in his lap and let me stear the truck down dirt roads while he worked the throttle and brakes. Life is way to boring without any risk.

[Booger]

Some years back some Marine MPs were climbing in F/A-18 pits. They took tons of pictures, etc. Apparently this had been going on for some time.

 

Someone turned in the pictures & every MP caught in the photos got court-martialed.

 

So while it's cool that you got to sit in the pit, I think your friend is an idiot.

[TulsA-10]

Some years back some Marine MPs were climbing in F/A-18 pits. They took tons of pictures, etc. Apparently this had been going on for some time.

 

Someone turned in the pictures & every MP caught in the photos got court-martialed.

 

So while it's cool that you got to sit in the pit, I think your friend is an idiot.

 

I can understand taking pics of the cockpit. I didn't take any pics and didn't notice anything i have not seen a million times on the web and in sims of the viper cockpit. So if given the chance to sit in your favorite jet.. your telling me you would say no sir! I could not stomach sitting on a rocket.

[Cali]

Letting the MPs (yeah we still call them that , "security forces" makes them sound important) anywhere near the airfield is dangerous, never mind an actual aircraft.

 

Yep and this is what happens when they got close to a jet,

[TulsA-10]

lol.. Omg that's funny.. but i have also seen pilots do similar things with their aircraft. I'll have to let mike know that all MPs or SFs are stupid and need to stay away from the smart people.

[Cali]

Lol, I wouldn't say that to him and yes pilots do some very dumb stuff. I had a young 16 pilot that didn't even know how much fuel his jet held. He was doing AR and said his jet wouldn't take more then 2,500-3,000 lbs of fuel from the tanker. He was flying slick and his gauge stopped around 7,100 lbs. We explained to him that the jet only holds about that much fuel. Needless to say, we had a good laugh when we got back in the truck. If I was flying around I would want to know how much fuel my jet held.

[walker450]

That's cool that you got to sit in a Viper seat for a while! I don't believe that happens to the regular Joe very often. :)

 

 

Sorry if I sound like an a*s.....

 

Yes, you do.

[Snoopy]

Yes, you do.

 

Glad you confirmed that for me :thumbup:

 

 

Lol, I wouldn't say that to him and yes pilots do some very dumb stuff. I had a young 16 pilot that didn't even know how much fuel his jet held. He was doing AR and said his jet wouldn't take more then 2,500-3,000 lbs of fuel from the tanker. He was flying slick and his gauge stopped around 7,100 lbs. We explained to him that the jet only holds about that much fuel. Needless to say, we had a good laugh when we got back in the truck. If I was flying around I would want to know how much fuel my jet held.

 

People that don't deal with pilots on a day to day basis would be amazed at the things they do wrong or don't know....I love when they call a redball and the corrective action is to power on the system since it obviously won't work with the switch in the "O-F-F" position....

 

Maintainers are just as bad sometimes....this KC-135 was over pressurized because the maintenance crew were using an uncalibrated gauge along with a few other things wrong. Happened at Tinker in 1999 I believe (don't remember the exact year).

 

http://www.discity.com/kc135/

 

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Edited August 26, 2011 by Snoopy

[mikoyan]

Yep and this is what happens when they got close to a jet,

 

it is mating season for the eagles; unfortunately this eagle has eye problems.

[Cali]

People that don't deal with pilots on a day to day basis would be amazed at the things they do wrong or don't know....I love when they call a redball and the corrective action is to power on the system since it obviously won't work with the switch in the "O-F-F" position....

 

Maintainers are just as bad sometimes....this KC-135 was over pressurized because the maintenance crew were using an uncalibrated gauge along with a few other things wrong. Happened at Tinker in 1999 I believe (don't remember the exact year).

 

 

I have seen some funny stuff over the years, wish I could recall them all. I would hate to be involved in that accident.

 

it is mating season for the eagles; unfortunately this eagle has eye problems.

 

There have been several stories as to what happened. One was that a female and male cop where in the car, the guy was driving....guess the rest.

[TulsA-10]

My hats off to everyone involed with aviation in general.. I have to tip my hat in a big way to fighter pilots.. Their is so much they have to keep up with and manage in a split second and not get dead. The mental muscle memory is impressive. I got to sit in the jet for almost an hour shootin the bull and learning alot from the cheif.. I only wish a pilot would of been there.. I would of really liked to of had the honor of learning from his experience.

 

I consider my self lucky to have gotten the chance to climb in.. How could you not have a big ego flying a fighter.. I beat if you got to taxi it around and run up the engine you would need help carrying your sack home.

Edited August 26, 2011 by TulsA-10

[Cali]

Yes it is a great job and everyone that I have talked to loved flying. When i got my ride my pilot was great. I was his second ride that day. It's amazing what they go through with pulling G's. I took a 3 hour nap after my ride, I was done! I only hope to get a chance to get another flight....one day....hopefully. My wife always ask me why didn't I try to be a pilot. I tell her, cause I love you too much and it's not all fun and games, like flying in lock on.

[TulsA-10]

I took a 3 hour nap after my ride, I was done! QUOTE]

 

I beat you were..lol Kinda like when i ate my first hole red habanero for the first time.. I was done.. I would pay good money to go up with those guys.. I would puke first to get it all out then tell him i want combat maneuvers and when i pass out wait till i come to and knock me out again please..

 

My wife says the same thing to me, and i respond with basically what you said

 

When i started sky diving we pulled alot of tight 4g turns till you start getting tunnel vision.. fun stuff.

Edited August 26, 2011 by TulsA-10

[Snoopy]

Yes it is a great job and everyone that I have talked to loved flying. When i got my ride my pilot was great. I was his second ride that day. It's amazing what they go through with pulling G's. I took a 3 hour nap after my ride, I was done! I only hope to get a chance to get another flight....one day....hopefully. My wife always ask me why didn't I try to be a pilot. I tell her, cause I love you too much and it's not all fun and games, like flying in lock on.

 

My reserve unit actually had a pilot slot open they wanted to fill with a maintainer from the squadron, you had to be under 30 and have a BS degree....I have my degree but turned 35 this year...otherwise I would have jumped at the chance.

[Cali]

My reserve unit actually had a pilot slot open they wanted to fill with a maintainer from the squadron, you had to be under 30 and have a BS degree....I have my degree but turned 35 this year...otherwise I would have jumped at the chance.

 

That sucked, I thought about trying to be a pilot, but that was many moons ago, I'm 34 now and a few classes away from my BA. Oh well, it's for the best cause I would want to be a fighter pilot, but might not get it. Whatever I got I'd be happy, yet pissed off at the same time, if that makes any sense. Also I get motion sickness and yes I did throw up on my flight but glad I only had pudding that morning. I only pulled 6.5g's, pilot asked if I wanted to try for more and I said no, I want to walk and live again. 6.5 wasn't that bad, I wouldn't even think about 8.5-9g's that would of killed me.

[Moa]

When I was younger and fitter I once did 4.25 in a CT-4B prop trainer without a G-suit, during aerobatics. Started to grey out at the edges so had to ease back on the maneuvers. Mentioned this one time and some turkey on the forums says that pilots can pull 12 G instantaneous and the 9G for F-16 pilot selection is sustainable pretty much indefinitely. Whateverz. I'm totally with you on this one Cali (and the quote in your sig is awesome), even moderate Gs are harder than some people seem to realize.

Edited August 27, 2011 by Moa

[TulsA-10]

My reserve unit actually had a pilot slot open they wanted to fill with a maintainer from the squadron, you had to be under 30 and have a BS degree....I have my degree but turned 35 this year...otherwise I would have jumped at the chance.

 

Age limits suck and time is a terrible thing. Flying fighters is more of a young mans game. That's to bad man cause you would of been a great choice. I place higher during races because i also do all of my repairs from the engine to the suspension and fully understand how my bike works and know how to tune it.

[Pyroflash]

When I was younger and fitter I once did 4.25 in a CT-4B prop trainer without a G-suit, during aerobatics. Started to grey out at the edges so had to ease back on the maneuvers. Mentioned this one time and some turkey on the forums says that pilots can pull 12 G instantaneous and the 9G for F-16 pilot selection is sustainable pretty much indefinitely. Whateverz. I'm totally with you on this one Cali (and the quote in your sig is awesome), even moderate Gs are harder than some people seem to realize.

 

Indeed, flying aerobatics in a plane that can do 7.5 G's, I can confirm that it is really tough on your body. Even sitting in the reclining seat becomes a pain as your eyelids try to force themselves shut, breathing becomes obscenely difficult, and moving your limbs becomes next to impossible.

 

Basically imagine life if you weighed in excess of 1230 lbs. Even your arm weighs in excess of 100 lbs. imagine weightlifting in a cockpit while trying to keep enough oxygen in your brain to stay conscious(all the blood is forced downwards), while making sure you are still in control of your aircraft. When you look at it that way, suddenly everything becomes a whole lot easier to comprehend. At least until you black out, then you just hope there is a co-pilot and that he isn't unconscious :P

 

Though I do admit I have no idea how much easier or harder it is for someone wearing a G-suit to manage the whole staying conscious thing, but I imagine it isn't that much easier.

Edited August 28, 2011 by Pyroflash

[aaron886]

some turkey on the forums says that pilots can pull 12 G instantaneous

 

In the F-16? No. The G limiter may not quite catch the acceleration enough to hold exactly 9, but I don't imagine it'll jump much above 9.5 even in an extreme case.

 

and the 9G for F-16 pilot selection is sustainable pretty much indefinitely

 

Haha who said that. :lol: What a super-tool-bag. Maybe 8-12 seconds is more like it.

[Pyroflash]

Well, you could hold 9G indefinitely, but there is a good chance your heart will stop sooner than expected.

[aaron886]

Well, you could hold 9G indefinitely, but there is a good chance your heart will stop sooner than expected.

 

Ok, ground rules: no dying. :D

[Pyroflash]

Ok, ground rules: no dying. :D

 

That's no fun

[celticcoho]

How about Reality????Still Human Bodies...Last time I checked!!! NO WAY EVEN WITH G SUIT!!

Edited August 28, 2011 by celticcoho

[mvsgas]

I know man, my intention is not to question your story, I was just curious of the details. I apologies, I do not want to give you the wrong impression. Ejection seats are dangerous, and if your friend was just getting you in the cockpit without someone qualified present he was putting you in danger. The seat has rocket and without a harness, you will only die or get hurt if you were to activate it. Also, if you enter the cockpit without proper training, you can kick many switches and damage components. This happens all the time even with trained crews. Furthermore, if you enter the cockpit with foreign material ( for example change in your pocket) and you lose it in the cockpit, this could be lodge in a place affecting different system, including the performance of the seat, pilot might need that and it would suck if he finds out as he pulls the “D” ring.

Remember how I was saying ejection seats are dangerous

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