LWS act like RWR mod

[159th_Viper]

exactly nate :thumbup: ,

all this trolling for a mod :D

i thought i killed someone

it just a mod

 

Yep, a Mod.

 

As a matter of interest then, where does one draw the line? When do you say that an addition to the Kamov because it suits your needs is 'just too much'? I want to kill ships so I'll add an Anti-Ship missile, I want to kill tanks so I'll add Hellfires and so on......

 

Where do you draw the line?

 

Just curious is all.

[Migow]

Yep, a Mod.

 

As a matter of interest then, where does one draw the line? When do you say that an addition to the Kamov because it suits your needs is 'just too much'? I want to kill ships so I'll add an Anti-Ship missile, I want to kill tanks so I'll add Hellfires and so on......

 

Where do you draw the line?

 

Just curious is all.

in the compaign you need rwr , and if you want to play in high threat sam many player play with them

just as the simulated mission can be different from irl use of ka 50 , we need kit rwr mws etc.. that's all,well ka52 will be far better^^

another reason in sam high threat : in low sam threat the game is boring the ai are vegetable infantery OMG ground horrible , tree , useless , make game boring

i like this game ,especially it teach many thing

if ai ,terrain , tree was good , it would be an excellent entertainment, and difficult ai can hide, tactic etc...

Edited October 12, 2011 by Fifou265

[159th_Viper]

......and if you want to play in high threat sam.....

 

Then you'd be much better off with a Kh-25MPU and an ELINT pod, wouldn't you agree?

[Migow]

Then you'd be much better off with a Kh-25MPU and an ELINT pod, wouldn't you agree?

 

high sam threat doesn't mean you do sead with ka 50, i do sead( DEAD in fact) with trigger

without my fix i made sead before we go in the objective it is unrealistic because they can have tactic like ambush so without this fix it would be suicide

 

with it we can implement ambush tactic etc with trigger i know now when they track me then trigger destroy them but it could take time so i need this fix to hide from them even if i dont do DEAD (i never do it with ka50)

[Migow]

i don't use ai for sead (DEAD in fact)they are unreliable in dcs ka50 , in a10 there are good no need for trigger

Edited October 12, 2011 by Fifou265

[Speed]

Where do you draw the line?

 

Easy. You draw the line where ever it stops being fun. If someone made a mod that turned DCS into some kind of arcade game where your Ka-50 was flying through outer space shooting aliens with frickin' lazor beams and photon torpedoes, hey, it would be a worthy mod- so long as it enhanced the fun factor for some folks, and didn't negatively impact anyone.

 

So if someone wants to mod their game to give all SAMs a laser so you get a LWR notification... all the power to them. It won't enhance my fun, but I'm sure it enhanced Fifou's, and Fifou has every right to share his mod in case someone else thinks it would enhance their fun too.

Edited October 12, 2011 by Speed

[Nate--IRL--]

Easy. You draw the line where ever it stops being fun. If someone made a mod that turned DCS into some kind of arcade game where your Ka-50 was flying through outer space shooting aliens with frickin' lazor beams and photon torpedoes, hey, it would be a worthy mod- so long as it enhanced the fun factor for some folks.

 

So if someone wants to mod their game to give all SAMs a laser so you get a LWR notification... all the power to them. It won't enhance my fun, but I'm sure it enhanced Fifou's, and Fifou has every right to share his mod in case someone else thinks it would enhance their fun too.

 

Well said.

 

Nate

[EtherealN]

If someone made a mod that turned DCS into some kind of arcade game where your Ka-50 was flying through outer space shooting aliens with frickin' lazor beams and photon torpedoes

 

That needs to happen!

(And I'm serious, that actually sounds awesome. :D )

[Speed]

That needs to happen!

(And I'm serious, that actually sounds awesome. :D )

 

Well... unlike the mod I'm working on now, at least this mod would be easy to give a name to: "Sharks with Lazor Beams".

[159th_Viper]

......and Fifou has every right to share his mod in case someone else thinks it would enhance their fun too.

 

Quite so and I agree 110%.

 

He must however be prepared to take his lumps when his Mod is categorized to belong firmly in the 'Science-Fiction' category, especially for newcomers to the genre and others who value the Integrity of the DCS Simulation model. We would not want to spread any unnecessary misunderstanding as to the fidelity of the Mod - that would not be proper at all.

[Moa]

Well... unlike the mod I'm working on now, at least this mod would be easy to give a name to: "Sharks with Lazor Beams".

 

 

I thought "slmod" stood for "sharks n' lazers mod" :)

 

Sure, this RWR mod doesn't model the stock Ka-50 but has no-one ever hear or seen "jury rigged" field modifications before? I'm sure such a thing would be well within the ingenuity of Soviet engineers/maintenance crews.

 

Sure, it would take a while to get a efficient RWR into a production line, but a field modification might not take so long (days or weeks). This is because such a field mod would not be developing a technology for series production (takes a long time) but would be *integrating* existing technology in whatever way was just good enough (even if not optimal or reliable). On a chopper it might be hard to find the room for the supporting electronics but in the case of fixed wing aircraft they seem to have more and more room as their electronics have become increasingly miniaturized (eg radar upgrades seem to introduce space in the racks since solid state electronics can be so small, eg. F-15 from what I have read).

 

With regard to the comment that aircraft would never operate with SAMS present. I believe that to be true for every situation except a NATO vs Warsaw Pact Central Front scenario. There's just too many SAMs about for everyone to sit on their hands until all the SAMS are gone. This is why the Cold War pilots *all* learned to fly low low low (eg the crazy sight of low B-52s). No war since the Cold War has had the same threat (why you see high NATO jets in recent operarations), but it is easy to forget that just because modern operations have the luxury of scheduling missions until the SAMs are down doesn't mean that would also be possible in hypothetical NATO vs Warsaw Pact engagement. So that's why I don't think the mod to as implausible as some have written.

[Migow]

I thought "slmod" stood for "sharks n' lazers mod" :)

 

Sure, this RWR mod doesn't model the stock Ka-50 but has no-one ever hear or seen "jury rigged" field modifications before? I'm sure such a thing would be well within the ingenuity of Soviet engineers/maintenance crews.

 

Sure, it would take a while to get a efficient RWR into a production line, but a field modification might not take so long (days or weeks). This is because such a field mod would not be developing a technology for series production (takes a long time) but would be *integrating* existing technology in whatever way was just good enough (even if not optimal or reliable). On a chopper it might be hard to find the room for the supporting electronics but in the case of fixed wing aircraft they seem to have more and more room as their electronics have become increasingly miniaturized (eg radar upgrades seem to introduce space in the racks since solid state electronics can be so small, eg. F-15 from what I have read).

 

With regard to the comment that aircraft would never operate with SAMS present. I believe that to be true for every situation except a NATO vs Warsaw Pact Central Front scenario. There's just too many SAMs about for everyone to sit on their hands until all the SAMS are gone. This is why the Cold War pilots *all* learned to fly low low low (eg the crazy sight of low B-52s). No war since the Cold War has had the same threat (why you see high NATO jets in recent operarations), but it is easy to forget that just because modern operations have the luxury of scheduling missions until the SAMs are down doesn't mean that would also be possible in hypothetical NATO vs Warsaw Pact engagement. So that's why I don't think the mod to as implausible as some have written.

like you said they surely adapt rwr to ka 50 in case of high threat sam

if they use it in this case (just check NATO in serbia 1999 ,impossible DEAD mission)

i will add that this game is a simulator which mean the conflict doesn't exist or almost , still the official compaign have high threat sam and plane(f18) threat , and they call this realistic in dcs? with ka 50 without rwr nice joke...

Edited October 12, 2011 by Fifou265

[bogusheadbox]

If someone made a mod that turned DCS into some kind of arcade game where your Ka-50 was flying through outer space shooting aliens with frickin' lazor beams and photon torpedoes, .

 

If someone made that mod, maybe people would stop asking for A2A missiles on the Black shark

[Migow]

If someone made that mod, maybe people would stop asking for A2A missiles on the Black shark

if needed they could set a2a missile on ka 50 if needed

again in the case of conflict where they need it

the simulator is not flexible in those case (iran irak war)

[EtherealN]

Ah, the A2A missile religion again. :D

 

They did some captive carry tests, yeah. That's quite some distance from being able to quickly implement it... ;)

What you see in brochures for the Ka-50 is Kamov saying "if you buy this bird, and you want it to come with A2A missiles, we'll develop something for that".

[Migow]

Ah, the A2A missile religion again. :D

 

They did some captive carry tests, yeah. That's quite some distance from being able to quickly implement it... ;)

What you see in brochures for the Ka-50 is Kamov saying "if you buy this bird, and you want it to come with A2A missiles, we'll develop something for that".

:megalol::megalol:

[AlphaOneSix]

I fall 100% into the "do what you want" group. Mod the game as you see fit and enjoy the game as you see fit.

 

However, don't assume what a government would or would not do. You say that if there was a conflict with a high Radar SAM threat, then surely the Ka-50's in service would be upgraded. Why do you say that? Are you a high-level decision-maker in the Russian government? What qualifies you to be so certain of what the Russian government would do? That's the whole point behind saying "why are you trying to justtify this". Who cares "why"? If it makes the game more fun for you, then great, carry on. But don't presume that it's realistic at all, because you just can't say that at all. Well, you can say it, and indeed you have been saying it...but that doesn't make it true.

[Migow]

well it's common sense to equip with rwr mws etc when you have high threat sam environement

it's cheaper than loosing 15 millions dollar helo and good pilot because of sam when he could use terrain masking if he knew he was tracked by sam

[Migow]

I fall 100% into the "do what you want" group. Mod the game as you see fit and enjoy the game as you see fit.

 

However, don't assume what a government would or would not do. You say that if there was a conflict with a high Radar SAM threat, then surely the Ka-50's in service would be upgraded. Why do you say that? Are you a high-level decision-maker in the Russian government? What qualifies you to be so certain of what the Russian government would do? That's the whole point behind saying "why are you trying to justtify this". Who cares "why"? If it makes the game more fun for you, then great, carry on. But don't presume that it's realistic at all, because you just can't say that at all. Well, you can say it, and indeed you have been saying it...but that doesn't make it true.

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[GGTharos]

well it's common sense to equip with rwr mws etc when you have high threat sam environement

 

It is common sense to you. Just like it was 'common sense' to 'everyone' that R-27T/ET would have datalink. Guess what? ... common sense was wrong.

 

it's cheaper than loosing 15 millions dollar helo and good pilot because of sam when he could use terrain masking if he knew he was tracked by sam

 

Actually, he would always be using terrain masking.

[RIPTIDE]

KA-50 + 2x120C mod request please. :D

[EtherealN]

Actually, he would always be using terrain masking.

 

This. A million times this.

 

RWR's and MWS are nice and all, but the big question always is: why fly where they can shoot at you at all? Terrain mask, stick to your mission, do your job, and don't venture into territory (be that "high" or "open fields") unless you know what's there. Radar sams isn't the only problem you face out there, and no MWS is perfect. Stay low and stay alive. :)

[Migow]

russian common sense = lot attrition of ther own planes against georgia

 

:megalol:

[159th_Viper]

russian common sense = lot attrition of ther own planes against georgia

 

:megalol:

 

Dude - now you're grasping at straws. Should have quit while you were ahead ;)

[Migow]

This. A million times this.

 

RWR's and MWS are nice and all, but the big question always is: why fly where they can shoot at you at all? Terrain mask, stick to your mission, do your job, and don't venture into territory (be that "high" or "open fields") unless you know what's there. Radar sams isn't the only problem you face out there, and no MWS is perfect. Stay low and stay alive. :)

terrain masking don't work when you need to engaged enemy

again it doesn't work when bad recon