RobbySpike Posted January 5, 2012 Posted January 5, 2012 Hi! 1) Is there a way to show the ILS bars in the HUD? 2) How to make a waypoint SPI again, after setting the SPI manually to another location? Greetings [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] "It's a good landing, if you can still get the doors open"
Juuba Posted January 5, 2012 Posted January 5, 2012 1) no. 2) China Back (or aft whatever) long 1 Sometimes I Amaze even Myself!
RobbySpike Posted January 5, 2012 Author Posted January 5, 2012 Thanks! :) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] "It's a good landing, if you can still get the doors open"
Eddie Posted January 5, 2012 Posted January 5, 2012 Hi! 2) How to make a waypoint SPI again, after setting the SPI manually to another location? 2) China Back (or aft whatever) long 2) It's TMS aft long to set SPI back to STPT. China aft long slews TGP to the STPT.
Juuba Posted January 5, 2012 Posted January 5, 2012 Nevermind :) What Eddie said. Sometimes I Amaze even Myself!
RobbySpike Posted January 5, 2012 Author Posted January 5, 2012 Ok thx, I'll try it. And theres is definately NO HUD support for ILS?! I'm pretty sure I saw something like that in Falcon 4: AF and LockOns F15C... Well, then I'll do it the oldschool way watching the ADI [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] "It's a good landing, if you can still get the doors open"
hawk2495 Posted January 5, 2012 Posted January 5, 2012 Well she's not a viper, and she's not an eagle. Didn't someone say that the hog tends to have quite a few HUD failure issues. I may be mistaken on that. I would think that would be a good reason for not implementing HUD functionality... Or maybe I'm just nuts... Yeah, that's it... Why is the rum always gone!?!?!?!
Zenga Posted January 5, 2012 Posted January 5, 2012 (edited) What really helps me in a poor visibility approach - in addition to the ILS bars on the ADI - is the steerpoint symbol in the HUD. Just make sure you're aligned with the runway centerline at a reasonable distance and maneuver the plane so that the TVV just overlays the steerpoint symbold located on the runway and keep it there. Using the pitch ladders in the HUD, you can see easily adjust your descend rate so the steeerpoint symbol and TVV are between the 0° and 5°DN ladders, ideally at 3° (standard angle for most ILS approaches). So even in the Hog the HUD can be helpful. However, just keep in mind 99.9% of all civil aircraft still flies ILS approaches without a HUD, so - in a bad weather approach - the pilot flying has to keep his head down until close to minimums anyway. (Ok, they also have autopilots for this...but hey, we're Hog drivers and not lazy airline captains :-). Cheers, Zenga Edited January 5, 2012 by Zenga
Loz Posted January 5, 2012 Posted January 5, 2012 .............................. However, just keep in mind 99.9% of all civil aircraft still flies ILS approaches without a HUD, so - in a bad weather approach - the pilot flying has to keep his head down until close to minimums anyway. (Ok, they also have autopilots for this...but hey, we're Hog drivers and not lazy airline captains .............. Cheers, Zenga They still have to do it every six months in the Sim to revalidate their license though and probably with an engine out or some other emergency. :cry: i9 9900x at 5.1 Ghz // ASUS ROG Maximus XI Formula EK Bloc // 64Gb Corsair Vengence 3600Mhz DDR4 Ram // Gigabyte Aorus 3090 Watercooled block//Samsung SM951 M2 x4 SSD // Windows 10 64 Bit //48inch LG48 @ 3840x2160 120Hz//Asus ROG Swift PG35VQ 3440 x 14440 144Hz // TM Warthog HOTAS (Ser. No. 00836) //MFG Crosswind Pedals // TrackIR 5 //Varjo Aero An old pilot is one who remembers when flying was dangerous and sex was safe. My YouTube DCS World Four Screen Videos
Zenga Posted January 5, 2012 Posted January 5, 2012 Loz, true, I just want to point out that - in my opinion - it's not really a deficiency of the Hog not to have an HUD that supports ILS approaches as nearly all airliners and other planes doesn't have it either. So flying heads-down on final until or close to minimums is not unusual at all. And when I compare the Hog to an F-16 on final approach (solely based on my brief sim experience, though), the Hog is much more stable and easier to control at slow speed and we don't have those crazy high AoA on final as the sexy jets... I think the Hog is actually much closer to the small plane which you might have originally trained IFR approaches on than those fast movers. My 2 cents, Zenga
MTFDarkEagle Posted January 5, 2012 Posted January 5, 2012 And theres is definately NO HUD support for ILS?! Definitely not. Lukas - "TIN TIN" - 9th Shrek Air Strike Squadron TIN TIN's Cockpit thread
RobbySpike Posted January 5, 2012 Author Posted January 5, 2012 ... in my opinion - it's not really a deficiency of the Hog not to have an HUD that supports ILS approaches as nearly all airliners and other planes doesn't have it either. ... Yeah. I asked because I always have to look up and down between the ADI and HUD to maintain the flight path and check if I get the RW visual already on the other hand - Got no TrackIR, so looking down the pit for some stuff can be anoying sometimes :) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] "It's a good landing, if you can still get the doors open"
112th_Rossi Posted January 5, 2012 Posted January 5, 2012 Think I might try and ILS approach tonight in thick fog and at night. Just for fun.
RobbySpike Posted January 5, 2012 Author Posted January 5, 2012 However, as long as I can see the runway more or less, I don't use ILS at all. Its just for the damn evil weather case :) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] "It's a good landing, if you can still get the doors open"
bartleby Posted January 6, 2012 Posted January 6, 2012 What really helps me in a poor visibility approach - in addition to the ILS bars on the ADI - is the steerpoint symbol in the HUD. Just make sure you're aligned with the runway centerline at a reasonable distance and maneuver the plane so that the TVV just overlays the steerpoint symbold located on the runway and keep it there. Using the pitch ladders in the HUD, you can see easily adjust your descend rate so the steeerpoint symbol and TVV are between the 0° and 5°DN ladders, ideally at 3° (standard angle for most ILS approaches). So even in the Hog the HUD can be helpful. However, just keep in mind 99.9% of all civil aircraft still flies ILS approaches without a HUD, so - in a bad weather approach - the pilot flying has to keep his head down until close to minimums anyway. (Ok, they also have autopilots for this...but hey, we're Hog drivers and not lazy airline captains :-). Cheers, Zenga Using the steerpoint is indeed helpful, but you have to be careful since IIRC they're usually at the runway midpoint and not the threshold. Don't plan on using it for a precision approach, anyway. DCS Wiki! :book:
RobbySpike Posted January 6, 2012 Author Posted January 6, 2012 I usually look outside the window or use HSI course to align with the runway, then navigate the FPM to somewhere near the bottom of the runway (the edge that faces towards you). You will have to maintain a good flightpath by yourself and also take care of your speed. Anyway I figured for myself, it helps me to get a better feeling for landing and the planes movement at low speeds than it would if I were busy with staring the ADI/ILS bars [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] "It's a good landing, if you can still get the doors open"
effte Posted January 6, 2012 Posted January 6, 2012 Erm, approaches when you CAN'T see the runway is what the ILS is there for. I feel like I got a glimpse into an alternate reality here, with discussion about whether or not to use it in visual conditions... :) ----- Introduction to UTM/MGRS - Trying to get your head around what trim is, how it works and how to use it? - DCS helos vs the real world.
RobbySpike Posted January 6, 2012 Author Posted January 6, 2012 Well, I somehow got the impression that people would always use ILS. Maybe this is implicated by the ILS training mission, which takes place at best weather conditions in which you normally wouldn't even think about ILS. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] "It's a good landing, if you can still get the doors open"
EtherealN Posted January 6, 2012 Posted January 6, 2012 Well, I somehow got the impression that people would always use ILS. Maybe this is implicated by the ILS training mission, which takes place at best weather conditions in which you normally wouldn't even think about ILS. Well, you don't put a helicopter pilot into practicing autorotation through killing the engines and telling him to please survive. You practice procedures in good, controlled, conditions such that the pilot knows them when he needs to; I didn't practice visual wind correction during finals, I practiced it way up in the air with various objects as my mark to get a feel for different crosswind components, and that way I had it all down when I eventually found myself needing a severe nose-off final due to crosswind. (Still one of my most thrilling moments in flight school - was one of my first soloes and the wind turned while I was up, had to land with my nose almost 45 degrees off at the start of final. It got way smaller as I came low though and I didn't have to do much of a kick before touchdown. But I tell you, having to look to the right to see your aerodrome after completing the turn to final feels very very weird. All your glideslope cues get lost since they are at the nose. :P ) So yeah, ILS is something you practice in good conditions, especially when doing it for the first time. Same thing as with general IFR flight - this is done (at least for us) with the front pit cardboarded such that the trainee doesn't see anything outside of the aircraft, and the plane is then flown like that during good conditions where the instructor can take over in the back whenever necessary (and of course for takeoff and landing). That said, airliners do indeed use instrument approaches, something that is cause for great annoyance to us; visibility may be perfect, but instrument rule separations are still enforced whenever the liners and mail birds come in. Wuzzes. Also, we've also had the army choppers visiting to practice their instrument approaches, which was also done during near-perfect visibility conditions. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Daniel "EtherealN" Agorander | Даниэль "эфирныйн" Агорандер Intel i7 2600K @ 4.4GHz, ASUS Sabertooth P67, 8GB Corsair Vengeance @ 1600MHz, ASUS GTX 560Ti DirectCU II 1GB, Samsung 830series 512GB SSD, Corsair AX850w, two BENQ screens and TM HOTAS Warthog DCS: A-10C Warthog FAQ | DCS: P-51D FAQ | Remember to read the Forum Rules | | | Life of a Game Tester
Loz Posted January 6, 2012 Posted January 6, 2012 ........ Wuzzes. ..... Mmmm and not a smiley in sight. Know much about flying big jets do we????? :music_whistling: i9 9900x at 5.1 Ghz // ASUS ROG Maximus XI Formula EK Bloc // 64Gb Corsair Vengence 3600Mhz DDR4 Ram // Gigabyte Aorus 3090 Watercooled block//Samsung SM951 M2 x4 SSD // Windows 10 64 Bit //48inch LG48 @ 3840x2160 120Hz//Asus ROG Swift PG35VQ 3440 x 14440 144Hz // TM Warthog HOTAS (Ser. No. 00836) //MFG Crosswind Pedals // TrackIR 5 //Varjo Aero An old pilot is one who remembers when flying was dangerous and sex was safe. My YouTube DCS World Four Screen Videos
effte Posted January 6, 2012 Posted January 6, 2012 Mmmm and not a smiley in sight. Know much about flying big jets do we????? :music_whistling: Yes, and I second the opinion! :D ----- Introduction to UTM/MGRS - Trying to get your head around what trim is, how it works and how to use it? - DCS helos vs the real world.
hassata Posted January 6, 2012 Posted January 6, 2012 Think I might try and ILS approach tonight in thick fog and at night. Just for fun. Here's a good mission: http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=1067987&postcount=21 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Lane Posted January 6, 2012 Posted January 6, 2012 (edited) If you want i have some basic ILS fog training mission ( Batumi, Senaki, ) Sorry for the quality, they are taken from a fraps video i have done for ILS fog Edited January 6, 2012 by Lane - I7 2600K @5.2ghz ( EK full Nickel waterblock ) - Gigabyte P67A-UD7 B3 - 8GB Predator 2133mhz - 2x HD7970 - EK Nickel EN H2o block - 2x Crucial realSSD C300 Raid0 - Black Widow Ultimate - X52 -TrackIR 5 - XIfi Titanium HD - Win 7 x64Pro
Zenga Posted January 6, 2012 Posted January 6, 2012 (edited) Erm, approaches when you CAN'T see the runway is what the ILS is there for. I feel like I got a glimpse into an alternate reality here, with discussion about whether or not to use it in visual conditions... :) What's the point? Of course I could do mission for nothing else but training ILS approaches in whatsoever weather. But what is so wrong to shoot an ILS approach in good weather after returning from a live mission to stay familiar with the procedure? Again, not to LEARN how to do it but to stay familiar with it. When one reads all the posts in this thread, it's clear we're talking about HOW to fly and enhance an ILS approach with the Hog, we're not talking about the WHEN... EDIT: Lane, I love your first pic! Looks exactly like an early morning approach to the place where I live (LSZH, Zürich, Switzerland)... I love the sight of diving into the fog layer in early morning. Cheers, Zenga Edited January 6, 2012 by Zenga
effte Posted January 6, 2012 Posted January 6, 2012 When one reads all the posts in this thread, it's clear we're talking about HOW to fly and enhance an ILS approach with the Hog, we're not talking about the WHEN... Zenga, you need to read the post before the post you replied to, as well as the third post preceding it. No, the discussion at the time was not "how to fly and enhance and ILS approach with the hog". All sorted now, so the post served it's purpose. :thumbup: ----- Introduction to UTM/MGRS - Trying to get your head around what trim is, how it works and how to use it? - DCS helos vs the real world.
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