P-51 map

[Booger]

Since this continues to be overlooked/missed/ignored in other topics, I'll make it it's own subject so the discussion/questions can be more specific

 

Q: Will a world war 2 era map be included?

A: No, DCS is an open simulation environment, it is not a simulation of a specific time period.

Just as I suspected. Although arguments on both sides of the fence make sense, I'm glad that it was announced that future capabilities will be given to the user to tailor the environment (should they prefer a robust WWII era setting).

 

In this regard, it's win-win, but unfortunately that only answers half the question: Will there be a map released to compliment this new aircraft?

 

As I've noted before, the Nevada map was included with the A-10 (at least the declared fee removal for it was). We've also seen an expansion of the initial map included with the BS2 upgrade.

 

On one hand, it looks like there's at least an attempt to fill the landscape along with upgrades/releases. At the same time Nevada is also making it obvious how much time it takes to complete it (although I think it's safe to assume the landscape folks were pulled off Nevada to work on the BS2 expansion).

 

I'm just asking for a little clarity, not promises.

[EtherealN]

Not sure I understand what aspect you want clarity on. (And of course, depending on what it is, not sure I can offer more clarity either.)

[Booger]

No problem...

 

...but unfortunately that only answers half the question: Will there be a map released to compliment this new aircraft?

[GGTharos]

No, there is no other terrain other than what there is now, and in the future, nevada.

[Speed]

As I've noted before, the Nevada map was included with the A-10 (at least the declared fee removal for it was). We've also seen an expansion of the initial map included with the BS2 upgrade.

 

On one hand, it looks like there's at least an attempt to fill the landscape along with upgrades/releases. At the same time Nevada is also making it obvious how much time it takes to complete it (although I think it's safe to assume the landscape folks were pulled off Nevada to work on the BS2 expansion).

 

Could you explain what you mean here? As far as I ever noticed, the map has not changed since A-10C beta. All the BS2 upgrade got was the same map that A-10 folks had been flying on for over a year.

 

I suppose I could be wrong, but I haven't noticed any expansion of the terrain anywhere, and I look at the ME map fairly frequently.

[Nate--IRL--]

(although I think it's safe to assume the landscape folks were pulled off Nevada to work on the BS2 expansion).

 

Not true at all, the Nevada terrain is being developed separately in the ED office in Minsk.

 

 

I'm just asking for a little clarity, not promises.

 

Q: Will a world war 2 era map be included?

A: No, DCS is an open simulation environment, it is not a simulation of a specific time period.

 

I think that is pretty clear.........

 

Nate

[Stargaze]

More interisting is imho the question if DSC:P-51D comes with the Nevada Map included.

 

I`ve just bought DCS:A-10C a few weeks ago and will not recieve the Map free (like the ones that bought DCS: A-10C as Beta). So it`s very interisting for me: Must I buy the Map for 20$ or will I get it with DCS: P-51D, I wouldnt like it to pay 20$ and one or two Month later recieve the Map for free with DCS: P-51D.

[Nate--IRL--]

More interisting is imho the question if DSC:P-51D comes with the Nevada Map included.

 

I`ve just bought DCS:A-10C a few weeks ago and will not recieve the Map free (like the ones that bought DCS: A-10C as Beta). So it`s very interisting for me: Must I buy the Map for 20$ or will I get it with DCS: P-51D, I wouldnt like it to pay 20$ and one or two Month later recieve the Map for free with DCS: P-51D.

 

AFAIK - Nevada will be a separate product and will not be part of DCS:-Mustang.

 

Nate

[Phantom88]

Not true at all, the Nevada terrain is being developed separately in the ED office in Minsk.

 

 

 

Q: Will a world war 2 era map be included?

A: No, DCS is an open simulation environment, it is not a simulation of a specific time period.

 

I think that is pretty clear.........

 

Nate

 

Well there Lies The problem then, The Nevada Team is in MINSK!!!

Get those Boys on the Next Learjet out of town and set them up

at The Presidential Suite at The Bellagio on The Vega$ Strip Pronto!!!

 

I can't guarantee the Map will be done any faster but The Minsk team will have a Hell of a good time making it!!:lol:

[Booger]

No, there is no other terrain other than what there is now, and in the future, nevada.

 

I didn't ask about the current status of the map.

 

Q: Will a world war 2 era map be included?

A: No, DCS is an open simulation environment, it is not a simulation of a specific time period.

 

I think that is pretty clear.........

 

Really? :doh:

 

I didn't ask about a world war II era map (read the first post). I asked about a map, ANY additional map (ideally a part of europe).

 

Not true at all, the Nevada terrain is being developed separately in the ED office in Minsk.

 

Hence the word I used was "assume", but ty for clarifying that.

 

Could you explain what you mean here? As far as I ever noticed, the map has not changed since A-10C beta. All the BS2 upgrade got was the same map that A-10 folks had been flying on for over a year.

 

Absolutely! In the Blackshark2 Announcement topic this was included...

 

• Expanded map area to the east to include Tbilisi and location of the 2008 Georgian War

[EtherealN]

The map expansion mentioned is related to BS1.

[PeterP]

(although I think it's safe to assume the landscape folks were pulled off Nevada to work on the BS2 expansion).

Not true at all, the Nevada terrain is being developed separately in the ED office in Minsk.

I'm just asking for a little clarity, not promises.

Q: Will a world war 2 era map be included?

A: No, DCS is an open simulation environment, it is not a simulation of a specific time period.

 

I think that is pretty clear.........

 

Nate

 

audience claps...

There is a clear answer...

nothing to discuss about...

(almost) everyone is happy...

case is closed ....

Thread also.

Curtain falls.

 

...or not?!

[Booger]

It would close if people actually read the first post.

[PeterP]

I actually read it 5 times... and didn't catch your (real) massage.

 

 

...

 

 

so please: say clearly what you want.

(preferable with a question mark at the end - as long you expect an answer)

Edited January 27, 2012 by PeterP

[bartleby]

Well, there was certainly a lot of fighting in the DCS region during WWII. I was reading a book about the Luftwaffe during Case Blue a while ago and kept saying "hey! I've flown there!" I don't think there were any lend-lease Mustangs, but it's not unthinkable anyway. Expand the map a bit westward to include the Crimea and Kerch and you've got even more to work with.

[EtherealN]

Booger: http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=1384753&postcount=4

 

That is actually a response that I believe covers your question.

[Booger]

The map expansion mentioned is related to BS1.

 

It was an expansion of BS1 map, released with BS2. I think we're saying the same thing heh.

 

I actually read it 5 times... and didn't catch your (real) massage.

 

 

...

 

 

so please: say clearly what you want.

(preferable with a question mark at the end - as long you expect an answer)

 

What I want? For you to quit trolling so the grown-ups can have a conversation. Seriously, anyone with 3oz of intelligence will see not only the question in the first post, but also see it in the third...you know, the sentence that ends in a question mark (as you suggested)?

 

Oops?

 

Yeah, your bad. :music_whistling:

 

Booger: http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?...53&postcount=4

 

That is actually a response that I believe covers your question.

 

Thanks again Eth. I did see it, but that looks more like a comment to the current landscape activity, not plans for later on.

 

I guess the answer(s) I was looking for was..

 

Yes! We have plans to expand the map but it may/may not be with the P-51.

 

OR

 

No, we will not release a map; terminating what we have been doing (which is adding/expanding on the map at every new aircraft/update)

[Nate--IRL--]

It was an expansion of BS1 map, released with BS2. I think we're saying the same thing heh.

 

 

 

What I want? For you to quit trolling so the grown-ups can have a conversation. Seriously, anyone with 3oz of intelligence will see not only the question in the first post, but also see it in the third...you know, the sentence that ends in a question mark (as you suggested)?

 

Oops?

 

Yeah, your bad. :music_whistling:

 

 

 

Thanks again Eth. I did see it, but that looks more like a comment to the current landscape activity, not plans for later on.

 

I guess the answer(s) I was looking for was..

 

Yes! We have plans to expand the map but it may/may not be with the P-51.

 

OR

 

No, we will not release a map; terminating what we have been doing (which is adding/expanding on the map at every new aircraft/update)

 

OK .....

 

The Georgian map is what it is.. and the Nevada map with the new terrain engine is all that has been announced.

 

That is the plan so far.

 

Nate

[VincentLaw]

No, we will not release a map; terminating what we have been doing (which is adding/expanding on the map at every new aircraft/update)

I am fairly certain the additional terrain provided in BS2 was developed for and released with DCS: A-10C, so you could have already put the terrain in BS1 by copying the map over from there before BS2 was released. As EtherealN said, it was a new feature in relation to BS1.

 

Seriously, anyone with 3oz of intelligence will see not only the question in the first post, but also see it in the third...you know, the sentence that ends in a question mark (as you suggested)?

While I understood your question the first time, I can see how others might easily misinterpret it. I would like to put forth the more optimistic point that even though no other new terrain than Nevada is currently announced, it does not bar further development of terrain by ED. It simply won't be a special feature for P-51D.

[PeterP]

Dear Booger,

 

I have to admit that my last postings here weren't very helpful and sure can be considered as trolling.

And I want to apologize for this.

- and I sure can do it better, and I will try had not to do it again in the future.

Sorry!

 

 

But please let me explain you why I posted this:

Because you already answered your own question in exactly the same post.

 

First you are quoting from the FAQ...

Q: Will a world war 2 era map be included?

A: No, DCS is an open simulation environment, it is not a simulation of a specific time period.

and than you are asking "...but unfortunately that only answers half the question: Will there be a map released to compliment this new aircraft?"

...

 

from my perspective this looks very odd and will lead to nothing.

 

How can a clear "No" -as written in the FAQ- only cover half of the question?

 

... what question exactly?

 

and I'm very sure that I'm not the only one that is confused by this.

Edited January 28, 2012 by PeterP

[sobek]

No, we will not release a map; terminating what we have been doing (which is adding/expanding on the map at every new aircraft/update)

 

IMHO there would be no sense in expanding the map that is based on the old terrain engine, i don't think that ED will invest any more time into it. However, with the introduction of the new engine, hopefully 3rd party terrain development can commence for real along EDs own endeavours.

[bluepilot76]

IMHO there would be no sense in expanding the map that is based on the old terrain engine, i don't think that ED will invest any more time into it. However, with the introduction of the new engine, hopefully 3rd party terrain development can commence for real along EDs own endeavours.

 

That sounds good Sobek! I hope we can start getting some new sceneries soon after Nevada.

[hog_driver111th]

Maybe something in Europe over Germany (WWII style, not current... except maybe having Spangdahlem AB where the A-10s are). This way you could run scenarios between Europe and south, and the WWII Legends aircraft have a "battlefield" to fly in. I for one think it'd be cool to fly over Berlin, find my old workplace, and put some holes in the warehouse. ,)

[tflash]

Sorry, but the whole idea of having a WW2 map in the DCS series totally escapes me. I sure do hope we are not on the way to a WW2 sim, I have no intentions to end up between the IL-2 crowd to meet my son and his online buddies. I might as well start to read the CloD forums!

 

I thought that DCS was about accurately modelling combat aircraft. The P-51D will be a very nice addition, moddeling aspects of flight currently not addressed in the series.

 

Not that I would mind if creative mission designers added such scenario's or made dedicated server to it; just to make clear I can have a genuine interest in DCS:Mustang without the WW2 or Korea link.

[bluepilot76]

Sorry, but the whole idea of having a WW2 map in the DCS series totally escapes me. .

 

I think you should keep this thread on topic, some of us are happy to fly a P51 which was a combat aircraft and took part in the biggest conflict of all time.

 

I think DCS should definitely get involved and the more types they do the better. Christ the KA50 is hardly a modern combat aircraft either. An obscure footnote in aviation history. But we are all happy to plod around in that.

 

IL2 is well old and past it, COD is a disaster. There are no good WWII simulators.