Wolfie Posted April 7, 2012 Posted April 7, 2012 I was wondering why we can't lock up slow moving jets in the sim. I have BS1 1.02. Even if their flying about 200 km/hr, I can't lock them up. Yet when I'm flying A-10 Warthog, even if I'm nearing 300 km an hour on an attack run, the enemy Sharks can lock me up at max range without any problem. I've learned never to get close to enemy heli's with EO gun sights. I've also seen apaches's lock up SU-27's and Sharks shoot at F-18's. Yet I can never lock up an F-18 in the Shark, even when he is barely cruising by at close range. As I've read in the manual, we should be able to lock anything up to about 300 km/hr. Has this been corrected in BS2? "Isn't this fun!?" - Inglorious Bastards "I rode a tank, held a general's rank / When the Blitzkrieg raged, and the bodies stank!" - Stones.
EtherealN Posted April 7, 2012 Posted April 7, 2012 You should be able to lock them up fine - but it's not an easy thing to get a lock on something that moves that fast from a pure technique standpoint. Also, the biggest deal isn't his relative speed to you, it's his radial speed. The closer he is, the bigger the radial velocity will be and the harder it will be for you to "catch" him. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Daniel "EtherealN" Agorander | Даниэль "эфирныйн" Агорандер Intel i7 2600K @ 4.4GHz, ASUS Sabertooth P67, 8GB Corsair Vengeance @ 1600MHz, ASUS GTX 560Ti DirectCU II 1GB, Samsung 830series 512GB SSD, Corsair AX850w, two BENQ screens and TM HOTAS Warthog DCS: A-10C Warthog FAQ | DCS: P-51D FAQ | Remember to read the Forum Rules | | | Life of a Game Tester
Conure Posted April 7, 2012 Posted April 7, 2012 You should be able to lock them up fine - but it's not an easy thing to get a lock on something that moves that fast from a pure technique standpoint. Also, the biggest deal isn't his relative speed to you, it's his radial speed. The closer he is, the bigger the radial velocity will be and the harder it will be for you to "catch" him. It's like Eve Online transversal for real :D Intel i7 6700k, Asus GTX1070, 16gb DDR4 @ 3200mhz, CH Fighterstick, CH Pro Throttle, CH Pro Rudder Pedals, Samsung Evo 850 SSD @ 500GB * 2, TrackIR 5 and 27" monitor running at 2560 * 1440, Windows 10.
GGTharos Posted April 7, 2012 Posted April 7, 2012 The real answer: The AI cheats. I was wondering why we can't lock up slow moving jets in the sim. I have BS1 1.02. Even if their flying about 200 km/hr, I can't lock them up. Yet when I'm flying A-10 Warthog, even if I'm nearing 300 km an hour on an attack run, the enemy Sharks can lock me up at max range without any problem. I've learned never to get close to enemy heli's with EO gun sights. I've also seen apaches's lock up SU-27's and Sharks shoot at F-18's. Yet I can never lock up an F-18 in the Shark, even when he is barely cruising by at close range. As I've read in the manual, we should be able to lock anything up to about 300 km/hr. Has this been corrected in BS2? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
ogata321 Posted April 7, 2012 Posted April 7, 2012 The real answer: The AI cheats. Then this is a bug ? Well, making the AI too stupid would be bad but making them terminators is bad too... Then again, there is a mi-24 which had shot down a f-4 phantom (or it was another plane, not sure could be wrong but i remember it was a iraqi mi-24 and the plane was iranian)
ShuRugal Posted April 7, 2012 Posted April 7, 2012 Then this is a bug ? Well, making the AI too stupid would be bad but making them terminators is bad too... Then again, there is a mi-24 which had shot down a f-4 phantom (or it was another plane, not sure could be wrong but i remember it was a iraqi mi-24 and the plane was iranian) don't forget the reverse of that: the F-15 that GBU'd an MI-24 on takeoff after it finished unloading troops.
Panzertard Posted April 7, 2012 Posted April 7, 2012 Ai cheating is a result of simplification - otherwise AI cpu cycles would even slow your game down even more than today. Precious cpu cycles. It's a feature. The mind is like a parachute. It only works when it's open | The important thing is not to stop questioning
Wolfie Posted April 7, 2012 Author Posted April 7, 2012 Well, I don't mind them cheating so much, as long as I can lock up targets under 300 km/hr ( like the manual says you can ) too. And I can understand the radial velocity, but I can't lock up jets even 8 km away! I think you made it where we can't lock up jets period. Yet the AI are 30mm snipers that can take out F-18's at well over 300 km/hr! "Isn't this fun!?" - Inglorious Bastards "I rode a tank, held a general's rank / When the Blitzkrieg raged, and the bodies stank!" - Stones.
GGTharos Posted April 7, 2012 Posted April 7, 2012 The AI cheats. Wrong thing to be jealous of. As far as air to air use of the Shkval goes, you really shouldn't even be trying. Helicopters avoid fighters; AI is just AI. Maybe some day they will behave a bit better. Well, I don't mind them cheating so much, as long as I can lock up targets under 300 km/hr ( like the manual says you can ) too. And I can understand the radial velocity, but I can't lock up jets even 8 km away! I think you made it where we can't lock up jets period. Yet the AI are 30mm snipers that can take out F-18's at well over 300 km/hr! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
Pyroflash Posted April 7, 2012 Posted April 7, 2012 Why are you shooting at jets in the shark to begin with? especially the fast moving kind. 1 If you aim for the sky, you will never hit the ground.
EtherealN Posted April 7, 2012 Posted April 7, 2012 Well, when it happens online, shooting down a fastmover with a Ka-50 is the best way on the internets to shame someone into exile... :P [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Daniel "EtherealN" Agorander | Даниэль "эфирныйн" Агорандер Intel i7 2600K @ 4.4GHz, ASUS Sabertooth P67, 8GB Corsair Vengeance @ 1600MHz, ASUS GTX 560Ti DirectCU II 1GB, Samsung 830series 512GB SSD, Corsair AX850w, two BENQ screens and TM HOTAS Warthog DCS: A-10C Warthog FAQ | DCS: P-51D FAQ | Remember to read the Forum Rules | | | Life of a Game Tester
SmokeyTheLung Posted April 7, 2012 Posted April 7, 2012 Well, when it happens online, shooting down a fastmover with a Ka-50 is the best way on the internets to shame someone into exile... :P Noooo! Don't do it, the shame will be so great that you'll create a monster! System specifications: Computer, joystick, DCS world, Beer
159th_Viper Posted April 7, 2012 Posted April 7, 2012 (edited) ...Has this been corrected in BS2? Kentucky-Fried-Chicken: Mudhen travelling at 460km/h. Edited April 7, 2012 by 159th_Viper Novice or Veteran looking for an alternative MP career? Click me to commence your Journey of Pillage and Plunder! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] '....And when I get to Heaven, to St Peter I will tell.... One more Soldier reporting Sir, I've served my time in Hell......'
kobac Posted April 7, 2012 Posted April 7, 2012 (edited) Maybe this will help you [Y O U T U B E ] [ / Y O U T U B E] @Panzertard: So I entered like that (no spaces of course), but there is some error in YT extension in this forum :unsure: @159thViper: OK, I realized, thanks. But now I will not correct my post, because then your posts will not make sense. Edited April 8, 2012 by kobac [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]Everything is possible ...
Panzertard Posted April 8, 2012 Posted April 8, 2012 Maybe this will help you OT tip regarding youtube, use the YOUTUBE brackets around the ID for the movie, like this (remove the red dots I made to confuse the forum): [[color=red]...[/color]YOUTUBE]NyTQl7NoyR8[/YOUTUBE] The mind is like a parachute. It only works when it's open | The important thing is not to stop questioning
Bushmanni Posted April 8, 2012 Posted April 8, 2012 Shkval lock works only when the pilot isn't trying to slew it, ie. the ministick is centered. More accurately the ministick needs to be centered few fractions of a second before and after pressing the lock button or lock attempt will fail. This might be your problem if you control Shkval with axis controller instead of button controller. You can't lock targets by tracking them and pressing lock but you have to position the lock gate ahead of the target and wait for the target to fly in it and then press lock. DCS Finland: Suomalainen DCS yhteisö -- Finnish DCS community -------------------------------------------------- SF Squadron
159th_Viper Posted April 8, 2012 Posted April 8, 2012 Maybe this will help you [Y O U T U B E ] [ / Y O U T U B E] @Panzertard: So I entered like that (no spaces of course), but there is some error in YT extension in this forum :unsure: You need to leave out the http://youtu.be/ and only have NyTQl7NoyR8 inbetween the youtube extension. Like this: [.....youtube]NyTQl7NoyR8[....../youtube], as Panzer already illustrated above. Result = NyTQl7NoyR8 , Novice or Veteran looking for an alternative MP career? Click me to commence your Journey of Pillage and Plunder! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] '....And when I get to Heaven, to St Peter I will tell.... One more Soldier reporting Sir, I've served my time in Hell......'
Wolfie Posted April 9, 2012 Author Posted April 9, 2012 (edited) Heh, thanks Viper. THAT looks good. In BS1, I can't lock them up no matter how far away or slow they are moving. @Bushmanni - Thanks for the advice. Yeah, I don't have a very good stick, so I usually do try to let them fly into the gates and then lock. Now I got to try locking up jets with the Maverick on A-10. I'm working on it. I can kill heli's, but haven't had good luck with jets so far. Just got to wait for them to slow down on an attack run so my mav can catch them. And if the AI cheat, then that needs to be fixed. Especially their damage models ( which are tinkertoy simple ). If people can afford $600 joysticks, and even pits, then they can afford to buy a faster computer. The problem is everyone wants to fly at maximum resolution with all the bells and whistles. I myself usually fly at 1024 x 768 at all low. Solves many problems, and is still pretty good. Edited April 9, 2012 by Wolfie "Isn't this fun!?" - Inglorious Bastards "I rode a tank, held a general's rank / When the Blitzkrieg raged, and the bodies stank!" - Stones.
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