Naval Units test need fixed

[Silver_Dragon]

Move that post to AI section please

 

I check the naval units and found some errors, the test has been focused on some aspects:

- Coastal Gun Support

A fire mission over external landing beacon of Kuboleti Airbase

- Anti-Air Warfare

No mission assigned, 4 aircrafts groups (P-51 and others slow targets) to test surface to air missiles and anti aircraft guns. Others 4 aircraft groups (F-15, F-18, F-16, Su-33) to tes surface to air missiles at long range.

Al test has been make with a Task Force placed on front of Kobulety

- Anti-Surface Warfare

--Short Range

No mission assigned, 3x Armed Speedboat at cannon range 1-2 Nm of each ship

Al test has been make with a Task Force placed on front of Kobulety

--Long Range

No mission assigned, 1xCarl Vilson/2xBulk Fighters and 2x Armed Speedboat at cannon range 30-50 Nm of each ship

Al test has been make with a Task Force placed on front of Kobulety

-Airborne operations

--Helicopters

--Airplanes

 

Russian Force Task Group:

1x Moskva (A)

1x Pyotr Velikiy (B)

1x Rezky ©

1x Neustrashimy (D)

1x Grisha (E)

1x Molniya (F)

1x Kutnesov (G)

 

NATO Force Task Group:

1x Normandy (H)

1x O.H. Perry (I)

1x Carl Vinson (J)

 

-Coastal Gun Support test:

(A) Forward AK-130 130mm cannon turn to target and fire, but MR-145 Lev FC radar (over the bridge) don't turn to give fire control guidance to the AK-130

(B) Aft AK-130 130mm cannon turn to target and fire, but MR-145 Lev FC radar (second radar antenna aft) dont turn to give fire control guidance to the AK-130

© Only a aft AK-100 100mm cannon turn to target and fire (superior or inferior aft turrets, not both), but MR-105 Turel FC radar (radar antenna forward the funnel) don't turn to give fire control guidance to the AK-100 cannons

(D) Forward A-109 100mm cannon don't turn to target to fire, and the MR-145 Lev FC radar (over the bridge) don't turn to give fire control guidance to the A-109 cannon

(E) Aft AK-176 76mm cannon don't turn to target or fire, the MR-123 Vympel FC radar (radar antenna over and aft of the AK-630) dont turn to give fire control guidance to the AK-176

(F) Forward AK-176 76mm cannon turn to target and fire, the MR-123 Vympel FC radar (radar antenna over the superstructure) dont turn to give fire control guidance to the AK-176

(G) Kutnesov not equiped with medium or heavy cannons.

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(H) Forward and Aft Mk-45 155mm cannon turn to target or fire, Mk41 VLS, launch BGM-109 tomahawk missiles, but VLS doors no animated, and missile don´t launch vertical and turn to target.

(I) Aft Mk-75 76mm cannon turn to target and fire, but Mk-92 FC radar (radar antenna over a plataform forward of Mk-75) is missing.

(J) Carl Vinson not equiped with medium or heavy cannons.

 

- Anti-Air Warfare

(A) Forward AK-130 130mm cannon don't turn to target and fire, MR-145 Lev FC radar (over the bridge) don't turn to give fire control guidance to the AK-130, forwards, port and starboard AK-630s turn to different targets, the MR-123 Vympel FC (one aft forward AK-130s, forward port and forward starboard AK-630s cannons) radars don't move to give FC guidance to ak-130 cannons, 9V55R (Sa-N-6 "NATO designation navy system" Grumble, not Sa-10) launcher open fire, but Top Dome FC radar (aft Sa-N-6 launchers) dont turn to target to give FC. Osa 2M Launcher fire missiles (port and Starboard aft hangar) and follow targets and MPZ-301 Baza (forward the OSA Launchers) dont turn to target to give guiadance FC

(B) Aft AK-130 130mm cannon don't turn to target or fire, MR-145 Lev FC radar (second radar antenna aft) dont turn to give fire control guidance to the AK-130, 48N6E2 (Sa-N-6 "NATO designation navy system" Grumble, not Sa-10) launcher open fire, but Top Dome FC radar (aft superstructure) dont turn to target to give FC. Forward Top Dome FC no present. 9M330 (Sa-N-9 Gauntlet "NATO designation navy system" not Sa-15 Tor) launcher fire, but Cross Sword (Aft Top dome) dont turn to target to give FC (missing other FC on forward). 6 Kortik turn, fire and follow targets.

© AK-100 100mm cannon don't turn to target and fire, MR-105 Turel FC radar (radar antenna forward the funnel) don't turn to give fire control guidance to the AK-100 cannons, the 2xOsa-2M fire missiles but the MPZ-301 Baza FC (over the bridge and forward MR-105) dont turn to target to give FC guiadance.

(D) Forward A-109 100mm cannon don't turn to target to fire, and the MR-145 Lev FC radar (over the bridge) turn but no give fire control guidance to the A-109 cannon, follow the target of the Kriztan [sa-N-9 Gauntlet], that system fire, cross dome FC radar (over mastil over bridge) follow target. Kortik follow and fire missiles and cannons

(E) Aft AK-176 76mm cannon don't turn to target or fire, but the AK-630 follow and fire, the MR-123 Vympel FC radar (radar antenna over and aft of the AK-630) dont turn to give fire control guidance to the AK-176 and the AK-630. Forward Osa-2M follow and fire, MPZ-301 Baza (over the bridge) dont turn to target to give FC

(F) Forward AK-176 76mm cannon dont turn to target and fire, the MR-123 Vympel FC radar (radar antenna over the superstructure) turn to give fire control guidance to the AK-176 and the AK-630, the AK-630 turn, follow targets and fire

(G) Kutnesov cannons or fire controls radars don't turn to targets or follow them, but fire missiles and cannons.

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(H) Forward and Aft Mk-45 155mm cannon don't turn to target or fire, Mk41 VLS fire to target, but four SPG-62 FC iluminator radar dont turn to target and give fire control guidance. Mk15 Phalanx, Mk38 Bushmaster and M2 machine gun turn to target and fire.

(I) Aft Mk-75 76mm cannon or the Mk13 missile launcher turn to target and fire, the Mk-92 FC radar (radar antenna over a plataform forward of Mk-75) is missing. Mk15 Phalanx, Mk38 Bushmaster and M2 machine gun turn to target and fire.

(J) Mk65 turn to target and fire, missing six Mk95 iluminator FC radars. Mk15 Phalanx fire to targets. Missing RAM missile launchers.

 

Short Range Antiship Warfare

(A) Forward AK-130 130mm cannon turn to target and fire, MR-145 Lev FC radar (over the bridge) don't turn to give fire control guidance to the AK-130, forwards, port and starboard AK-630s turn to different targets, the MR-123 Vympel FC (one aft forward AK-130s, forward port and forward starboard AK-630s cannons) radars don't move to give FC guidance to ak-130 cannons.

(B) Aft AK-130 130mm cannon turn to target or fire, MR-145 Lev FC radar (second radar antenna aft) dont turn to give fire control guidance to the AK-130, 6 Kortik turn, fire cannons and follow targets.

© Only a aft AK-100 100mm cannon turn to target and fire (superior or inferior aft turrets, not both), but MR-105 Turel FC radar (radar antenna forward the funnel) don't turn to give fire control guidance to the AK-100 cannons

(D) Forward A-109 100mm cannon turn to target to fire, the MR-145 Lev FC radar (over the bridge) don't turn but to give fire control guidance to the A-109 cannon or follow the target. Kortik follow and fire cannons to the targets.

(E) Aft AK-176 76mm cannon turn to target but not fire, the AK-630 turn, follow and fire, the MR-123 Vympel FC radar (radar antenna over and aft of the AK-630) dont turn to give fire control guidance to the AK-176 and the AK-630.

(F) Forward AK-176 76mm cannon turn to target and fire, the MR-123 Vympel FC radar (radar antenna over the superstructure) turn to give fire control guidance to the AK-176 and the AK-630, the AK-630 turn, follow targets and fire

(G) Kutnesov cannons or fire controls radars don't turn to targets or follow them, but fire cannons over targets.

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(H) Forward and Aft Mk-45 155mm cannon, Mk15 Phalanx, Mk38 Bushmaster turn to target and fire. turn to target or fire. M2 machine gun dont fire to target.

(I) Aft Mk-75 76mm cannon turn to target and fire, but Mk-92 FC radar (radar antenna over a plataform forward of Mk-75) is missing. Mk15 Phalanx, Mk38 Bushmaster turn to target and fire. M2 machine gun dont fire to target.

(J) Mk15 Phalanx turn to target and fire.

 

Long Range Antiship Warfare

(A) P-500 Bazal [sabdbox] system open fire.

(B) P-700 Granit [shipwreak] System not open fire

© No equiped with long range antiship missiles.

(D) No equiped with long range antiship missiles.

(E) No equiped with long range antiship missiles.

(F) 3M80 Sunburn [Moskit] system open fire.

(G) P-700 Granit [shipwreak] System not open fire.

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(H) AGM-84 Harpoon System not open fire.

(I) AGM-84 Harpoon System not open fire

(J) No equip with long range antiship missiles.

 

Heliborne Operations

(A) Only a helo landing capable. No hangar door operation or approach lights. Hangar can carry 1xka-27

(B) Only a helo landing capable. No hangar elevator operation or approach lights. Hangar can carry 3xka-27

© No equipped with landing pad.

(D) No equipped with landing pad.

(E) No equipped with landing pad.

(F) Only a helo landing capable. No hangar door operation or approach lights. Hangar can carry 1xka-27.

(G) Only a helo landing animation, but 9 landing spot available. No elevator operation. Hangar can carry 21xka-27. If more 1 helo get landing the first landing that disappear.

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(H) Only a helo landing capable. No hangar door operation or approach lights. Hangar can carry 2xSH-60B

(I) Only a helo landing capable. No hangar door operation or approach lights. Hangar can carry 2xSH-60B

(J) Only a helo landing animation, but unknown landing spot available. No elevator operation. Hangar can carry 13xSH-60B or similar. If more 1 helo get landing the first landing that disappear.

 

Airborne Operations

(A) No capable.

(B) No capable.

© No capable.

(D) No capable.

(E) No capable.

(F) No capable.

(G) Landing operation on Kutnesov has a chaos, if two or three groups of airplanes get to landing to the some time, aproach control dont diference incoming aircrafts, make crash on the landing pads. the airplanes float on the runway searching the direction to exit them. Runway spots don't concordat with capable landing spot. The airplanes move to parking slot, collide with parked aircrafts.

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(H) No capable.

(I) No capable.

(J) Same problem with the Kutnesov, the planes turn to make circles on the runway, explosed to collided with the incoming aircrafts.

 

3D models errors

(A) Missed 3x MR-712 [Palm From] radars, MR-750 Fregat-M [Top Plate A] don´t turn, need new model.

(B) Missed 3x MR-712 [Palm From] radars, MR-700 Fregat [Top Steer] don´t turn, need new model.

© MR-310U Angara-M [Head Net C] don´t turn, need new model.

(D) Missed 2x Volga [Palm Frond], need new model.

(E) need new model.

(F) model Ok.

(G) Two MR-750 Fregat-M [Top Plate A] appears in the model, one fixed, other turn, collided in same space. Missed or not turn 3x MR-212 Vaygach-U [Palm Frond] radars, need new model.

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(H) Model Ok

(I) Model Ok.

(J) SPS-64 (over the bridge) and SPS-48 (on mastil aft bridge) don't turn, missing SPS-49, SPS-67. Need new model.

 

 

Other issues

-Continuous engine start up and shut down.

-Ships don't use ECM, countermesures, decoys or evasive movements with are under attack. No Anti Submarine Warfare (ASW) system simulated.

-Ships don´t use recon lights in nocturne operations (military or civilian) out wartime.

Edited May 2, 2012 by Silver_Dragon
New additions

[Silver_Dragon]

I attached the test mission used to test naval units

 

Missions Red / Blue

Coastal Gun Suport Alpha / Gamma

Anti Air Bravo / Hotel

Short Range Anti Surface Charlie / India

Long Range Anti Surface Delta / Juliet

Helicopter Operations Echo / Kilo

Aircraft Operations Foxtrot / Lima

 

edited....

Some photos from kutnesov chaos.....

Added .Trk to see problems on carrier operations

Naval Test Alpha.miz

Naval Test Bravo.miz

Naval Test Carlie.miz

Naval Test Delta.miz

Naval Test Echo.miz

Naval Test Foxtrot.miz

Naval Test Gama.miz

Naval Test Hotel.miz

Naval Test India.miz

Naval Test juliet.miz

Naval Test Kilo.miz

Naval Test Lima.miz

Naval Test Foxtrot.trk

Naval Test Lima.trk

Naval Foxtrot.rar

Edited May 2, 2012 by Silver_Dragon

[Silver_Dragon]

New issues.

 

-If a carrier has moving and a airplane stuck other, the damaged airplane float on the position, leaving the carrier.

-Somewhere, the S-3 engines turn transparent

[Speed]

What about rearming and refueling? Is it fixed? Can you rearm and refuel from ships again?

[Silver_Dragon]

Unknowing for now... meanwhile, the terror continue on the Kutnesov, the ATC drink vozka?

 

Similar issues with the new path..

-ATC send two pair airplanes to landing, crash on the landing runway

-some airplane make cicles on the runway and no exit them, crashing with incoming aircrafts.

-damaged airplane float on the position, leaving the carrier.

-A new bug, airplanes landing misalignment with the runway center.

 

I put log, track and photos of the fly circus. :megalol:

Naval Test Foxtrot-2.trk

Naval Foxtrot-2.rar

[Panzertard]

This is such a comprehensive report that I have no idea where to start.

I'll check if we have someone specializing on the ships, and hear if they have time to have a look at all the data.

 

PS, normally we split up all these tasks in a google spreadsheet - so we can tag it green / yellow / red - and move on with the testing after we've reported it.

 

If I sober up a bit over the weekend, I might do just that unless I can find someone who can dive into this monumental task.

 

Thanks - a big ++ for you.

[Vibora]

Good work Silver Dragon.

¡Enhorabuena!

[Silver_Dragon]

Thanks Panzertard and vivora. I'm just an enthusiast of naval warfare, aerial and terrestrial, strategy and simulation. And in the current naval concept, although I have always been very complex it would be nice if ED reached the same level of functionality in such a vessel can be reached in an airplane, if only for the AI, if only in procedures realism.

 

I'll start looking for information on all ships, posting pictures and explaining how they work for some data that I have several naval systems. Let's see if we can all go by running the models are in DCS.

[Silver_Dragon]

Ok, I start with a serial of detalies test ship by ship.

 

I put Green, Yellow or Red in order of importance of missing feature or bug.

 

I start with the Project 1241RZ [Tarantul III] DCS Molniya. First a video of youtube of Project 12421 Molniya upgrade, take by reference here:

 

Some interesting questions show in the video and common on molniyas.

- 1:40: Aft engine turbine doors open..... in the model the arguments has no modeled, but I not sure how operate them. it can connected with the turbine engines, the blue paint pipeline in the 6:05. I assume that doors has exhaust or similar to high speed operation. Green

 

 

- 4:56: PK-16 and PK-10 chaff, flare and decoy launchers, has the flare/chute dispersed of the military ships. The use of that systems has decoy the incoming antiship and guided amunitions targeting the ships. 2xPk-16 aft ship, 2xPk-10 middle and other two fore of the ship. In the video you can see the Pk-16 chaff salvo launch. I not sure if fore Pk-10 can be trainable on azimut to adjust launch distance. Some info webpages on Pk-16 and Pk-10 here: http://warfare.ru/?catid=333&title=decoy Yellow

 

 

-5:59: Searchlight / Signal moursecode Light. in the board and starboard of the bridge. Green

 

- Other issues

--Molniya 1241RZ has equiped with ESW radar system «Vympel-R2» and laser warning system «Spetr-F» Yellow

-- In the Molniya argument, the ship show navigation lights, but that not show in DCS:world. Green

- Some info say molniyas can equipped with Sa-18 igla or similar manpad missile, see video 4:20. Green

Edited May 16, 2012 by Silver_Dragon

[Alfa]

Much of what you mention are not really "bugs", but merely a case simplified representation(model animations) - such as the varies weapons' firecontrol radars not physically turning towards target(BTW the FC radar for the AK-130 is not the "MR-145" - the MR-145 is for the AK-100, while the FC radar for the AK-130 is called "MR-184"). This does not necessarily mean that the associated radar routine(code) isn't working though - in order to determine whether FC radars are providing guidance to their respective armament in accordance with their properties, you need to test varies engagement scenarios for each system.....so alot of work.

 

Anyway, there certainly are many problems with the naval stuff in the game, but sadly this has not been in focus for a very long time(practically since Flanker 2.5) and I seriously doubt that your efforts will result in any improvements - e.g. many of the actual bugs you mention(such as the carrier's aircraft control) weren't there in Lock-on and only occured during the switch to the DCS world with "Black Shark".......and apparently haven't been fixed yet.

[DiCE81]

 

 

f14nomoved.trk

 

2nd F-14 does not move in the ship

[RodrigoMF_BR]

This same deck problem occurred with me..

teste.miz

[Silver_Dragon]

I make a deep search on the .LUA ships dataforms and make some interesting conclusions. Thanks Alpha for your comentaries.

 

1- All ships has simplificate radars and sensors systems.

2- Some weapons lack some capability (simplificate systems)

3- some antiship missiles lack some capability (simplificate systems)

 

Come and return to the Molniya Project 12411 (Tarantul III) ships radar systems and weapons

 

On molniya.lua:

GT.Sensors = { OPTIC = {

"long-range naval optics",

--"long-range naval LLTV",

--"long-range naval FLIR",

"generic tank daysight"

},

RADAR = {

"molniya search radar",

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}

 

On real Project 1241RZ Molniya M (Tarantul III)

Kivach 3, Monolit [brand Stand]

 

Radar ranges (RCS M^2)

ships:

Large (1000000 m^2)

Medium (100000 m^2)

Small (10000 m^2)

Vsmall (1000 m^2)

Stealth (100 m^2)

 

Aircraft:

Large (100 m^2)

Medium (20 m^2)

Small (5 m^2)

Vsmall (0.1 m^2)

Stealth (0.01 m^2)

 

Name Type Detection vs Large/Medium/Small/Vsmall/Stealth (On Nautical Miles [x1.852 to Km])

 

Modes:

SS: surface search mode

AS: Air search mode

FC: Flight control

 

Kivach 3: SS 44/25/14/8/4

Monolith [band Stand]: SS/FC 76/43/24/14/6 Fire Control for 3M80E Moskit [sS-N-22 Mod1]

 

The 3M80E Moskit [sS-N-22 Mod1] has a anti ship missile equipped with inertial and Active radar seeker and designate a specific radar signature locked (PRH [Programmed Homing]). I assume with DCS series has no implemented that systems. I have describe the methodology to use them.

 

A anti ship missile can be launch on 2 modes if applicable: LOBL and LOAL

LOBL: Lock Before Launch: The launch ship use your inboard sensors to track and designate a target, passing the target data to the missiles, and launch them with your inboard sensors active locked on the target. That is the "standard" procedure on DCS.

LOAL: Using a external source [helo or ASW aircraft, data-link, or only a position on the sea] the ship fire your missile on a marked course to that pre-programmed position loaded on your inertial (if available). The missile flight to them and activate your inboard radar or sensors to detect targets, attacking random target (assume the more big reflective target) with a terminal manoeuvres (if applicable)

 

3M80E Moskit [sS-N-22 Mod1] sensor modes:

I/TARH: Inertial + Terminal Active Radar Homing:

The missile flight to the designate point and make a attack profile on LOAL mode how I describe before, the missile descend to attack altitude (see above) and fly direct to the target.

PRH: Preprogrammed Radar Homing:

Has used how a inertial system, activate on a pre-defined point and the passive sensor has active to detect radar sensors on the area, the missile lock on the preprogrammed radar signature and descend to attack altitude (see above) to fly direct to the target.

 

The 3M80E has dual seeker capability, Russian claim them and your primary guiadance mode has PRH, change to I/TARH if no detect radar signartures in the activation point.

The 3M80E active seeker has a 3rd generation radar whit a radar azimut of +-45º aperture and detect Large/Medium/Small target at 15 Nm [Nautical Milles]. Small Targets at 6 Nm and Stealth targets at 2.5 Nm. That info has only speculative.

 

Others 3M80E features:

- Low altitude turn to launch: the missile can turn at low altitude after launch to the initial point or target position, no need make a climb with others old missiles equipped with booster launch rockets.

- Terminal Manoeuvres: The missile make a terminal manoeuvres to difficult enemy defence ship seekers, some founds say the Moskit make a helicoidal descend to attack the target, other missiles make S-Turns or very low altitude attacks.

-Nuclear Warhead: Some "especial" version can be equiped with 200 Kiloton nuclear warhead.

 

Some issues:

- On the enciclopedia, Tarantul apears wiht 2x1 Igla SAM launcher, but 3D model don´t simulate them, the AFT part or Molniya ship has empty. Some resources or book apear with 4x1, 2x1 or 1x1 Igla Sam Launcher.

- please, change naval units name to correct name on .LUA archives, if other molniya or other ship version can make in the future, the actual name can be make a inconsistence and

a problem to match them. I see you have the same problems with weapons names dropped on .LUA archives (example some X-n missiles)

Edited May 24, 2012 by Silver_Dragon

[aaron886]

Nice report but... do you want a flight simulator or a naval simulator? :D

[Silver_Dragon]

If I can make a dream, I like see all simulated on DCS. The naval component can be make a great impulse to the electronic battlefield of ED. With the incoming future Combined Operation ground forces module the boots and tracks can be coming to DCS series. The naval component has the only broken leg of the ED trinity [Air / Land / Sea]. I expected see a far far away naval module in the future [3-5 years] and help to make them realistic.

[Nate--IRL--]

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[ATTACH]66035[/ATTACH]

 

2nd F-14 does not move in the ship

 

This same deck problem occurred with me..

 

I'm looking into this - the Kuz was fixed but the Vinson has other problems.

 

Nice report but... do you want a flight simulator or a naval simulator? :D

 

No harm to have this info at all. Maybe in time ..... you never know.

 

Nate

[Corrigan]

It's users like Silver_Dragon here who help make DCS good. Thanks!

[Silver_Dragon]

Some Aegis systems aplication by Loockeed, actual and future. For a far expected future naval improvement.

 

Integrated Air & Missile Defense

 

Air and Missile Defense Radar

http://youtu.be/ms6dXiIDofE

[Silver_Dragon]

New information for MR-123 Vympel [blass Tilt] Fire Control Radar

 

 

The system has equiped with a Band C/I/J with 0.5 microsencond pulse on a fixed radome, the antena can move on azimud into de radome, and move al on traverse. Has equiped with a secundary laser rangefinger and CCTV show in the left of the radar antenna. Max detection range CCTV 25-18 Nautic Milles. Can control two diferent caliber guns, normal configuration 1x76mm cannon and 2x30mm cannons.

 

Operation process:

 

The system rotate 15 RPM on search mode with 3 degres beam search patern, raise 3.5 degress on each rotation, max elevacion 56 degress. when detect a target stop and change to monopulse lock mode (on 3 second) (max elevation 85 degress)

 

A photo of Tarantul I ex DDR Blass Tilt control pannel (US Navy oficial photo)

 

1: Radar display

2: Coaxial CCTV camera display

3: Threat aircraft course indicator

4: AK-176 aiming indicator

5: AK-176 ballistic indicator

6: #1 AK-630 barrel bearing repeater

7: #2 AK-630 barrel bearing repeater

8: #1 AK-630 ammunition remaining display

9: #2 AK-630 ammunition remaining display

10: Radar elevation indicator

11 and 12: AK-630 aiming indicators

13: AK-630 burst length selector

14: Radar electric supply monitor

 

Other Tarantul III (Molniya) System

 

MP-405 Vympel (“Half Hat”) EW system

Can see on pairs on top of the main mast. Your function as ESM system (a RWR and radar signature identificator) and some founts indicate can use with backup ECM system.

 

Pricep ("Light Bulb") datalink

You can see en the top of the mail mast. Your funtion as datalink for guiadance 3M80E Moskit [sS-N-22 Mod1] missiles

 

Kolonka (“Hood Wink”) optronic director

Can control two AK-630 by manual control. On Molniya contol both AK-630

Edited May 26, 2012 by Silver_Dragon

[RodrigoMF_BR]

Another naval bug..

 

A Speedboat don´t shoot at sea targets...

 

I placed a helicopter and it shoot normally.

Edited June 2, 2012 by RodrigoMF_BR

[Nate--IRL--]

Another naval bug..

 

A Speedboat don´t shoot at sea targets...

 

I placed a helicopter and it shoot normally.

 

Generally if an AI object doesn't have a big enough weapon to engage it wont fire.

 

Nate

[RodrigoMF_BR]

Tnks Nate, sorry..

[Invader ZIM]

Silver Dragon pretty much covered everything it seems regarding naval warfare. I'm a bit of a naval enthusiast too and was playing around with some naval battles in the quck mission and discovered the following:

 

I was playing around with the CG Normandy in a quick mission and put it just off the coastline in DCS World and did the same in a quick mission in A-10C 1.1.1.1 and noticed a big difference in how the ship responded.

 

In A-10C 1.1.1.1 the Aegis was a terror to behold! Simultaneously firing Tomahawks at land targets, and some enemy ships I had placed out at sea. Also firing multiple Harpoon missiles at the ships as well as Standard missiles at air threats. Both 5" guns engaging threats within range inland. Phalanx systems firing on incoming Sunburn missiles fired from the small attack boats. Quite a show!! Well, right up until the point where one of the ships gets hit or sunk then the game crashes.

 

In DCS World, the ship seems to engage Air threats with the Standard missiles, but it never fired any Tomahawks, at anything during the battles. It just seemed to be a lot more lethargic in DCS World. In in some instances, when the sunburn missiles are fired at it, the Phalanx system never tried to engage them.

 

Just wanted to point this out, as having a capable Aegis ship or any ship in this sim modelled more accurately can really change the tactics involved when your flying versus what the ship is doing in DCS World right now, which makes it an easier target.

Edited June 23, 2012 by Invader ZIM

[KosPilot]

ED, I'd like to support Silver Dragons' job application :smartass:

[Invader ZIM]

LOL, yea, me too. Super concise info there.