ED Team Olgerd Posted October 12, 2005 ED Team Posted October 12, 2005 .... and for less detailed yet useful info on USN/USMC aircraft http://www.history.navy.mil/planes/ each pdf file you find in that directory is a "standard aircraft characteristics" sheet. you may want to take a look at them ;) Thanks. We have all of them too. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] К чему стадам дары свободы? Их должно резать или стричь. Наследство их из рода в роды Ярмо с гремушками да бич.
Starlight Posted October 12, 2005 Posted October 12, 2005 Yep I am sure. I am speaking about the tactical series such as A1-F18AE-TAC-010 (NWP 5-55-F/A-18C/D Vol. II). This one is classified as SECRET/NO FOREIGN wich is clearly stated in the flight manual. Same for USMC AV-8B aircraft. Wihout them it is not possible to get enough information for just visually close to reality weapons systems implementation. We have both A1-F18AC-NFM-000 and A1-F18EA-NFM-000 flight manuals. Thanks, but we have both MLU pilot descriptions already. Regarding to helos. For wich of them exactly you have manuals? Do you have any maintenance manuals for AH-64A? mmm ok... strange that those manuals are still so highly classified, since the Hornet is in service with so many countries... and also the Tomcat, there was an Iranian Tomcat handed to USSR at least 20 years ago and now it's no longer in service in the USN (and the Phoenix technology is old and it's not going to be transferred to the SuperHornet) As far as US helos, this is what I got: (you can find them on eMule too...) Tm 1-1520-238-10 - Operator's Manual For Ah-64A Apache.pdf Tm 1-1520-240-10 - Operator'S Manual For Ch-47D Chinook Helicopter.pdf TM 1-1520-253-10 - Operator's Manual For UH-60Q Blackhawk Helicopter.pdf
Starlight Posted October 12, 2005 Posted October 12, 2005 Do you have any maintenance manuals for AH-64A? No, you're asking too much! I just have the maintenance manual for Jeep Cherokee 2.5 TD and Skoda Octavia Wagon :) and I'm not sure even about that! :D
ED Team Olgerd Posted October 12, 2005 ED Team Posted October 12, 2005 mmm ok... strange that those manuals are still so highly classified, since the Hornet is in service with so many countries... and also the Tomcat, there was an Iranian Tomcat handed to USSR at least 20 years ago and now it's no longer in service in the USN (and the Phoenix technology is old and it's not going to be transferred to the SuperHornet) As far as US helos, this is what I got: (you can find them on eMule too...) Tm 1-1520-238-10 - Operator's Manual For Ah-64A Apache.pdf Tm 1-1520-240-10 - Operator'S Manual For Ch-47D Chinook Helicopter.pdf TM 1-1520-253-10 - Operator's Manual For UH-60Q Blackhawk Helicopter.pdf Thanks. We have all of you mentioned too. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] К чему стадам дары свободы? Их должно резать или стричь. Наследство их из рода в роды Ярмо с гремушками да бич.
ED Team Olgerd Posted October 12, 2005 ED Team Posted October 12, 2005 No, you're asking too much! I just have the maintenance manual for Jeep Cherokee 2.5 TD and Skoda Octavia Wagon :) and I'm not sure even about that! :D Not too much. ;) AH-64A maintenance manuals are in public access at www.tpub.com. It is even possible to watch them online. Only one problem there - these manuals have many visual representation bugs and are practically hard usable as each single page is in a separate *.htm file. It is impossible to save them in a single Word document as tables handled very erratically during a copy/past procedure. It is hard to print them too - many unneeded trash from tpub will be at the each page. They have also pdf versions of these manuals (for some money of course). I am trying to get some feedback from the site owners regarding to the subscription, but still have not any responce... Ok. Here is just the illustration of some problems we are expecting trying to obtain some info. :D I just thought that you could have some of the manuals... [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] К чему стадам дары свободы? Их должно резать или стричь. Наследство их из рода в роды Ярмо с гремушками да бич.
Starlight Posted October 12, 2005 Posted October 12, 2005 Not too much. ;) AH-64A maintenance manuals are in public access at www.tpub.com. It is even possible to watch them online. Only one problem there - these manuals have many visual representation bugs and are practically hard usable as each single page is in a separate *.htm file. It is impossible to save them in a single Word document as tables handled very erratically during a copy/past procedure. It is hard to print them too - many unneeded trash from tpub will be at the each page. They have also pdf versions of these manuals (for some money of course). I am trying to get some feedback from the site owners regarding to the subscription, but still have not any responce... Ok. Here is just the illustration of some problems we are expecting trying to obtain some info. :D I just thought that you could have some of the manuals... I'm really sorry... I don't have any of them and those html pages are really disgusting, I can't understand how they could write'em in that way... maybe an automated (and hardly working) tool did a scan-to-html.... but it's a really horrible work!
ED Team Olgerd Posted October 12, 2005 ED Team Posted October 12, 2005 I'm really sorry... I don't have any of them and those html pages are really disgusting, I can't understand how they could write'em in that way... maybe an automated (and hardly working) tool did a scan-to-html.... but it's a really horrible work! I think it was done by some automated pdf-to-html tool. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] К чему стадам дары свободы? Их должно резать или стричь. Наследство их из рода в роды Ярмо с гремушками да бич.
phant Posted October 12, 2005 Posted October 12, 2005 F-4E? Why not: http://www.eflightmanuals.com/detail/itemList.asp?CategoryGroupID=44 ;) Flight manual for the McDonnell F-4E Phantom II fighter/bomber. Includes the full performance section. Bye Phant
ED Team Olgerd Posted October 12, 2005 ED Team Posted October 12, 2005 F-4E? Why not: http://www.eflightmanuals.com/detail/itemList.asp?CategoryGroupID=44 ;) Bye Phant Heh. At least we have some chances to get F-4E Weapons Delivery Manual as well as for other USAF aircrafts. Hopefully mission speciphic equipment for any US Army aircraft is included in an Operator's Manual, not just in a separate manual. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] К чему стадам дары свободы? Их должно резать или стричь. Наследство их из рода в роды Ярмо с гремушками да бич.
Starlight Posted October 12, 2005 Posted October 12, 2005 Heh. At least we have some chances to get F-4E Weapons Delivery Manual as well as for other USAF aircrafts. Hopefully mission speciphic equipment for any US Army aircraft is included in an Operator's Manual, not just in a separate manual. mmm, one of the latest (and most interesting roles) of the F-4 was as SEAD platform. I don't think you could get any manual on ARMs and ECM devices ;) For aviation fans, I suggest reading a wonderful book: "Iron Hand: Smashing the enemy's air defences" by Anthony Thornborough and Frank Mormillo. Great reference on SEAD mission, from its birth (Vietnam era) to present (Iraq and Kosovo ops)
KILSEK Posted October 12, 2005 Posted October 12, 2005 Hi all and Olgerd. Would Janes have the useful information? http://catalog.janes.com/catalog/public/index.cfm?fuseaction=home.ProductInfoBrief&product_id=73970 -KILSEK
ED Team Olgerd Posted October 13, 2005 ED Team Posted October 13, 2005 mmm, one of the latest (and most interesting roles) of the F-4 was as SEAD platform. I don't think you could get any manual on ARMs and ECM devices ;) It is hard to beleive but it mainly depends on the current military branch policy, and manuals arrangement styles. In USAF there are special supplements for such manuals wich still to be secret now, but generally USAF weapons delivery manuals are not classified. About one-two years ago I even could not imagine that it would be possible to get any manual related to weapons for let's say - F-16C. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] К чему стадам дары свободы? Их должно резать или стричь. Наследство их из рода в роды Ярмо с гремушками да бич.
ED Team Olgerd Posted October 13, 2005 ED Team Posted October 13, 2005 Hi all and Olgerd. Would Janes have the useful information? http://catalog.janes.com/catalog/public/index.cfm?fuseaction=home.ProductInfoBrief&product_id=73970 -KILSEK Thanks for the link... Anything is the best info source for a system than an official military manual though. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] К чему стадам дары свободы? Их должно резать или стричь. Наследство их из рода в роды Ярмо с гремушками да бич.
ED Team Olgerd Posted October 13, 2005 ED Team Posted October 13, 2005 BTW. Just found another way to get manuals from tpub.com - http://www.tpub-manual.com/. It is very strange but there are same manuals with much better visual appearance - no more 'trashy' tables. :rolleyes: [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] К чему стадам дары свободы? Их должно резать или стричь. Наследство их из рода в роды Ярмо с гремушками да бич.
Starlight Posted October 13, 2005 Posted October 13, 2005 BTW. Just found another way to get manuals from tpub.com - http://www.tpub-manual.com/. It is very strange but there are same manuals with much better visual appearance - no more 'trashy' tables. :rolleyes: only with IE, though.... if you browse with Firefox you won't see anything but crap....
mikoyan Posted October 13, 2005 Posted October 13, 2005 what about the mig-23 ? or the mig-25,21 , that would be great
MBot Posted October 13, 2005 Posted October 13, 2005 Heh. At least we have some chances to get F-4E Weapons Delivery Manual as well as for other USAF aircrafts. Mmhhh, a high-fi Phantom sim. Now that would be cool :) 1970s and 80s planes rock ( well 60s in that case ). I know you were merely jocking, but I still hope you guys give those old birds a serious consideration, many people still love them. Thank you for posting these infos about reference aquisition Olgerd. I always enjoy to have a small look 'behind the scene' of simulation design and developement.
S77th-GOYA Posted October 13, 2005 Posted October 13, 2005 Do you needs some manuals for the F-15's navigation?
ED Team Olgerd Posted October 13, 2005 ED Team Posted October 13, 2005 Do you needs some manuals for the F-15's navigation? Is it the question for me? Which exactly manuals? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] К чему стадам дары свободы? Их должно резать или стричь. Наследство их из рода в роды Ярмо с гремушками да бич.
Starlight Posted October 14, 2005 Posted October 14, 2005 It is hard to beleive but it mainly depends on the current military branch policy, and manuals arrangement styles. In USAF there are special supplements for such manuals wich still to be secret now, but generally USAF weapons delivery manuals are unclassified. About a year and half ago I even could not realize that it is possible to get any weapons related manual for let's say... F-16CJ. Weapons manual for this plane contains a brief (but usefull) HTS pod operations description. really? could you please tell me where you've found it? or could you send me a copy? As a possible exchange I have a manual about NCTR technology (300 pages with discussions about SAR, Radar imaging and NCTR... maybe useful if you're planning an F-15E for Lomac :D )
SwingKid Posted October 14, 2005 Posted October 14, 2005 F-4E? Why not: http://www.eflightmanuals.com/detail/itemList.asp?CategoryGroupID=44 ;) Flight manual for the McDonnell F-4E Phantom II fighter/bomber. Includes the full performance section. Don't believe everything you read. Their A-10 manual is also advertised "includes the full performance section". I bought it and there was no such section. I e-mailed them and got the reply, "you're right! Sorry, we'll send that out to you." I never received anything after that, or any more e-mail replies, despite e-mailing them over and over to remind them. In addition, their manuals are very old, there are much newer manual versions out there for many of the same jets, just harder to find. -SK
ED Team Olgerd Posted October 15, 2005 ED Team Posted October 15, 2005 Don't believe everything you read. Their A-10 manual is also advertised "includes the full performance section". I bought it and there was no such section. I e-mailed them and got the reply, "you're right! Sorry, we'll send that out to you." I never received anything after that, or any more e-mail replies, despite e-mailing them over and over to remind them. In addition, their manuals are very old, there are much newer manual versions out there for many of the same jets, just harder to find. -SK Really? We have exactly same version of A-10A dash-1 that you speaking about (just may be on CD instead of paper... I don't now on which media source you have it) and... there is performance data section. Yes is it quite old version of dash-1 without any newly incorporated LASTE enchangements, but it still usefull for us as it has performance data. In any case you are saying about very disappointing facts. Thanks for the info. BTW. If you need performance data for A-10A just try to find this manual in eMule. You will find the *.pdf version with performance data section. This is only one of USAF aircrafts flight manual wich could be found in eMule. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] К чему стадам дары свободы? Их должно резать или стричь. Наследство их из рода в роды Ярмо с гремушками да бич.
ED Team Olgerd Posted October 15, 2005 ED Team Posted October 15, 2005 really? could you please tell me where you've found it? or could you send me a copy? As a possible exchange I have a manual about NCTR technology (300 pages with discussions about SAR, Radar imaging and NCTR... maybe useful if you're planning an F-15E for Lomac :D ) Don't you mean RTO-MP-6 "Non-Cooperative Air Target Identification Using Radar"? If yes that we have it already. :) I am sorry we have a hardcopy of the document. Try to contact with http://www.aerotecdata.com/. Please note that they have not an online list of the manuals they are offering. The problem is that they changed their policy soon after I bought it and don't sell this manual for non-US citizen more. :( [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] К чему стадам дары свободы? Их должно резать или стричь. Наследство их из рода в роды Ярмо с гремушками да бич.
Starlight Posted October 15, 2005 Posted October 15, 2005 Don't you mean RTO-MP-6 "Non-Cooperative Air Target Identification Using Radar"? If yes that we have it already. :) [/Quote] OMG, you've got'em all!!!!!!! :D so the next one in Lomac will be an F-15E with a working A/G SAR with full imaging functions, am I right? :) I am sorry we have a hardcopy of the document. Try to contact with http://www.aerotecdata.com/. Please note that they have not an online list of the manuals they are offering. The problem is that they changed their policy soon after I bought it and don't sell this manual for non-US citizen more. :( :( I'll try to "use" my 6 years old cousin who was born in the USA.... she should be interested in an F-16CJ manual.... Anyway I've found a pricelist with all their manuals, they're quite expensive, but they've really got everything you could need! http://www.aerotecdata.com/pdf_files/aircraft_manuals.pdf
ED Team Olgerd Posted October 15, 2005 ED Team Posted October 15, 2005 OMG, you've got'em all!!!!!!! :D so the next one in Lomac will be an F-15E with a working A/G SAR with full imaging functions, am I right? :) If you don't know, F-15C (APG-70) and F-16C (APG-68) both have NCTR feature. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] К чему стадам дары свободы? Их должно резать или стричь. Наследство их из рода в роды Ярмо с гремушками да бич.
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