Trouble Landing

Ramstein · June 7, 2012

I figured out my biggest problem,, I went back and played the training film again for landing,, I wasn't setting my engine RPM down to 2700,, once I did that all is well.. and the number I set on the axis tune is '7', seems to be the best for me (axis like pitch, roll, rudder..).. I had a great landing once I adjusted my engine properly...

I forgot about the engine @2700 rpm.... now all is well..

thanx for the jumpstart..

:pilotfly:

Capnsully · June 7, 2012

Ramstein, so is that really you in all those chemical story links? Assholes, excuse my French! So sad, what on earth must you do to get benefits? You've just made me late for my work, reading all this, shocked. Hang un ther

Ramstein · June 8, 2012

Ramstein, so is that really you in all those chemical story links? Assholes, excuse my French! So sad, what on earth must you do to get benefits? You've just made me late for my work, reading all this, shocked. Hang un ther

well, if you want to chat, I can on TeamSpeak sometime,, if you want to know.. I can't go into that here.. though I doubt anyone would want to hear the story.. unless you want info for personal reasons, or someone can use the info to help them that has problems..

I appreciate that you care.. my spirits have some tough times, where good words help..

:joystick:

Yo-Yo · June 8, 2012

Using the VSI could be useful for practice, but not very realistic ;)

It's for initial reference and understanding the reasons of bouncing. After a while the rate of descent is estimated automatically by eyes.

Ramstein · June 8, 2012

my trak, for take-offs and landings.. not perfect, but better...

:joystick:

I had my joystick off to the right side, and it was causing me to have to strain my body to make the stick go straight back and forrth, it is now in front of me (up high though, on the desk), slightly to the right by a only a few inches, but better than when it was on my right side..,, I moved my mouse over on the right...

my other stick (Saitek HOTAS) part, the throttle, is on my left..

plus remembering to keep the engine rmp down to 2700 has helped a whole bunch..

now to see how the stick adjustment in positions is going to affect all of my flight sims..

Ali Fish · June 9, 2012

watched your track ram. i suggest starting your decent from above 1000 ft, and gliding her in more. without letting speed drop as much, you had a lot of throttle work that isnt generally necessary but you had to keep her from goin into the ground with it. the torque it produces nearly sends it oscillating but you certainly held it ! \o/ i thought you were initially going for a 2 wheel landing at first. powered glide thats how i percieve my landing style.

Edited June 9, 2012 by Ali Fish

Wolf Rider · June 9, 2012

sorry Rams, but I can't get your trak to play... it just gives me a black screen (any other trak plays fine though) - interesting

Ramstein · June 9, 2012

sorry Rams, but I can't get your trak to play... it just gives me a black screen (any other trak plays fine though) - interesting

hmmm... weird... not sure why it only gave black screen... gotta find out who else has this problems with some traks.. I have that problem with some traks before also... I don't remember why...

Ramstein · June 9, 2012

watched your track ram. i suggest starting your decent from above 1000 ft, and gliding her in more. without letting speed drop as much, you had a lot of throttle work that isnt generally necessary but you had to keep her from goin into the ground with it. the torque it produces nearly sends it oscillating but you certainly held it ! \o/ i thought you were initially going for a 2 wheel landing at first. powered glide thats how i percieve my landing style.

as usal, like everything need practice.. .. I was thinking, it should would be nice for a 3 mph headwind.. but yes, it needs work... (I need work..) :doh:

Wolf Rider · June 9, 2012

All iz good... re-downloaded your trak and it ran. :)

you're getting there, but slow gentle stick movements are required and patience. Don't force it, just let flow.

Here's a track for a giggle and a mission to keep practising with

(she does squirrelly with the cockpit open :huh: )

1st Trainer.trk

Air Training Group - Landing.miz

Cedaway · June 11, 2012

Thank you all for your advices. Much better now...

Ramstein · June 12, 2012

I had to center my joystick more in front of me,,,, or i have to roll my chair so the stick is more center,, if my hand and wrist pulls the still slightly off center , the landings are bad... and even with a curve ont he stick settings to soften the stick curve.... it still takes a steady stick.. my other flight sims are more forgiving... on the takeoffs and landings..

:joystick:

Smokin Hole · June 17, 2012

Set up a mission with an AI plane, with the same loadout, so that you can study how the AI goes about landing.

Have you watched the AI land? They stop in about 150 feet. It (appears) completely scripted.

LawnDart · June 17, 2012

whose going to teach us lot around here 2 point landings in a p51 ? are they even possible ?

You can even land on one wheel and fly it, land on the other, back to the first wheel again.

Wheel landings are a little trickier than 3-point landings, and require a healthy jab forward on the stick when your wheels touch down. You'll also need to readjust rudder input as the nose pitches due to gyroscopic precession. Practice practice practice...

3-pointer: 120 mph approach at ~20 in Hg / 2,700 rpm (or full prop works too) with full flaps. As you begin to round out and flare you want to achieve that 3-point attitude just above stall speed 80-90 mph.

Wheel landing: 130 mph approach at ~20 in Hg / 2,700 rpm, 3-4 notches of flaps. As you begin to round out, come back on power but keep some. Hold the plane level as long as you can, keeping her flying while working the controls to stay aligned, straight and level. As you touch down you'll want some power still in there (~15-20 in Hg) and a quick jab forward on the stick to keep the tail from touching down. Adjust rudder as previously mentioned, work the stick forward initially then as required to keep the level attitude and keep a little power before slowly retarding the throttle and flying the tailwheel on.

Here are a few videos of Ray show-boatin':

http://forum.virtualthunderbirds.com/viewtopic.php?t=4242

http://forum.virtualthunderbirds.com/viewtopic.php?t=4224

Enjoy!

WildBillKelsoe · June 17, 2012

You can even land on one wheel and fly it, land on the other, back to the first wheel again.

Wheel landings are a little trickier than 3-point landings, and require a healthy jab forward on the stick when your wheels touch down. You'll also need to readjust rudder input as the nose pitches due to gyroscopic precession. Practice practice practice...

3-pointer: 120 mph approach at ~20 in Hg / 2,700 rpm (or full prop works too) with full flaps. As you begin to round out and flare you want to achieve that 3-point attitude just above stall speed 80-90 mph.

Wheel landing: 130 mph approach at ~20 in Hg / 2,700 rpm, 3-4 notches of flaps. As you begin to round out, come back on power but keep some. Hold the plane level as long as you can, keeping her flying while working the controls to stay aligned, straight and level. As you touch down you'll want some power still in there (~15-20 in Hg) and a quick jab forward on the stick to keep the tail from touching down. Adjust rudder as previously mentioned, work the stick forward initially then as required to keep the level attitude and keep a little power before slowly retarding the throttle and flying the tailwheel on.

Here are a few videos of Ray show-boatin':
http://forum.virtualthunderbirds.com/viewtopic.php?t=4242
http://forum.virtualthunderbirds.com/viewtopic.php?t=4224

Enjoy!

I thought flaps were still not finished. Detents?

LawnDart · June 17, 2012

I thought flaps were still not finished. Detents?

That may well be, but there are currently 5 different flap settings to cycle through.

PepeThePilot · June 18, 2012

Wheel landings are a little trickier than 3-point landings, and require a healthy jab forward on the stick when your wheels touch down. You'll also need to readjust rudder input as the nose pitches due to gyroscopic precession. Practice practice practice...

I have no problem with 3-point landings, but the wheel landing is really tricky. I can hold it for a second or two at most, then either the tail drops or I lift off again.

I tried the "healthy" jab approach on my last landing and smashed my prop into the runway. :doh:

Tailspin45 · June 18, 2012

Instead of a healthy jab, which is hard to judge, try rolling in a bunch of nose down trim. When the wheels touch just relax. The bird will stick herself to the runway. An added advantage is that if you have to go around the trim is already set. Another is if you have a heart attack you'll make a hole instead of spreading the wreckage across the landscape. :music_whistling:

cichlidfan · June 18, 2012

Another is if you have a heart attack you'll make a hole instead of spreading the wreckage across the landscape. :music_whistling:

Planning ahead, always important. ;)

LawnDart · June 19, 2012

I tried the "healthy" jab approach on my last landing and smashed my prop into the runway. :doh:

It builds character... someone said! :lol: Nah, it's more of a well timed input forward on the stick than a jab I suppose, but practice makes perfect!

Instead of a healthy jab, which is hard to judge, try rolling in a bunch of nose down trim. When the wheels touch just relax. The bird will stick herself to the runway. An added advantage is that if you have to go around the trim is already set. Another is if you have a heart attack you'll make a hole instead of spreading the wreckage across the landscape. :music_whistling:

Good technique suggestion. We always fly our demos with nose down trim, even in the negative G-range we're still pulling back on the stick, so I can certainly appreciate this. I used to do the same IRL in small props depending on what the situation called for, sometimes it was nose up trim skimming the ocean at low level in case I needed to avoid CFIT or an obstacle, I'd simply relax and the nose would pitch up. I think trimming a little nose down for a wheel landing in the P-51 is a great suggestion!

Planning ahead, always important. ;)

As the ol' saying goes: "Don't ever let the plane arrive somewhere your brain didn't already arrive 5 minutes ago.":pilotfly:

Double_D · June 20, 2012

I had a terrible landing, but it was the best I could do today... I am embarrased to show it, I have hoenestly had much better ones in the past days, but I am for some reason getting worse,, here is one...

:cry:

I gave up on trim, and as I said if I tried to glide in and flair below 140 mph, it just goes bad...

Don't worry at first I was terrible also but just practice..here is one of my landings...

Just practice

Ali Fish · June 20, 2012

basicly. yes

10 practice

20 Practice

30 add wind

40 goto 10

shameless re post of my commentated landing video.

Edited June 20, 2012 by Ali Fish

LawnDart · June 20, 2012

Something that gets said a lot in flight school: "Centerline... centerline!" :joystick:

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