DCS World - seriously bad framerate

[Private-Cowboy]

As mentioned, maybe a few developers form Oleg Maddox's team came on board. They know how to mess up a sim badly (IL-2 CoD). Funny thing is CoD is being patched in the right direction, with DCS it seems to go the wrong way.

[sandman330]

Private-Cowboy, I understand your frustration and I am sure a lot of others share this with you, me included.

 

Although I do like the whole concept of world, and believe it is a great idea (my opinion).. The ease of jumping into another type whilst in multiplayer is a winner in my eyes. I am not one to slag off a company, but I do share the frustration when a game is no longer a 'beta' version, that it still is full of bugs, incomplete menus in single player. Also one thing that really frustrates me as from what I have read, as with a lot of other players, is the fact that the multiplayer server is very intermittent, random crashes 'DCS stopped working' not only do you get this in game and usually when towards the end of a long mission, but almost nightly when trying to load up and join multiplayer. This is rubbish. BMS use a campaign engine from the late 90's that is rock solid.. here we are in 2012..... yeah you get my point..

 

I also seem to spend a lot of time tweaking my system to allow this game to operate at its full potential, no why is that? maybe if it would utilise your systems hardware efficiently we might not have this issue, but who am I to say.. but instead I have to over clock my system in order to achieve playable frames.. this too is frustrating.

 

With regards to the 3rd party developers, I welcome them, but can not help to be slightly skeptical in the fidelity of the 3rd party addons.. Time will tell, but so far I am very impressed with the modeling. One thing I am very impressed with is the visuals/effects that Seven-g have with their F-18. Wing flex under high load, weapon pylons wobble etc.

 

That's my beef. :smartass:

[Private-Cowboy]

Well I don't want to bash IRIS for example as I have flown and owned some of their planes for FSX. <But their system fidelity isn't in the same league as A-10C, it's not even the same sport. That's why I'm somewhat worried that the once promising DCS will develop into the next FSX. A host for mediocre addons form 3rd party developers featuring an old and unoptimized engine.

 

I also get your point about tweaking and such. And if all DCS titles would require it would at least be consistent. But how can it be that the "older" versions of A-10C and BS2 are at least flyable why the new supposedly better world is slow and laggy as molasses? I also don't like world because it makes many things less easy. Separate dedicated A-10C and BS2 allows me to have a russian Ka-50 with russian cockpit labels and everything. In world I have to change the settings every single time if I switch from one to another. Not really an advancement in usability as long as you can't set up dedicated configs for each module.

 

Take RoF for example. I can even set up dedicated joystick profiles and joystick response curves to cater for the uniqueness of each plane. In DCS world it is all global and that is as much a blessing as it is a curse.

Edited July 14, 2012 by Private-Cowboy

[Pikey]

Well according to you it is, but according to me it's not. My machine is half your spec and running the same framerate (anecdotally). I've also not had a crash in hours of play and th elast world beta I did roughtly every three hours.

 

Perhaps, rather than vague moans, you could post the mission, a track and your dxdiag and allow some folks to help you because just saying blah blah bad bad blah doesn't help yourself get it fixed does it?

 

I can MAKE my FPS drop by doing something stupid like a flight of f-15's dumping all their CBU's or making a mission with hundreds of vehicles, or even rendering a video whilst playing but I don't. But no one has any idea of your setup and it's not the same result as most others. The question is, do you want help or do you want to moan?

[Private-Cowboy]

That doesn't matter at all. If you would have read my posts you would have known. I tested the same missions (instant actions mostly) with world and the separate A-10C with exactly the same settings and world performs much worse.

 

It doesn't matter if I have an Ivy Bridge CPU and 8 graphics cards or a 486 and 64MB of RAM. The performance of the two versions if wildly different on the the same system with the same settings. You can't blame that on bad drivers or messed up settings - they are the same for both. I'm not testing on two systems with different settings. The only difference here is the core of world vs the one of the older A-10C/BS2.

Edited July 14, 2012 by Private-Cowboy

[metalnwood]

Of course your configuration makes a difference. It's the difference between why some systems see no change in frame rates and why yours does.

[BIGNEWY]

swings in roundabout's I have seen an improvement with DCS:world with my FPS :)

[sandman330]

Pikey, not sure if your message was aimed at me, but just to clarify before one sh#ts in their nest, I have no performance issues, although as I mentioned earlier there has been a lot of tweaking, but I am running 5 yes that's right 5 screens and getting a solid 60 FPS, the worst I get is 40 and be it on the rare occasion.

 

People are allowed to express their opinion, opinions are like a@s holes everyone has one. No one is moaning, merely sharing experience.

Edited July 14, 2012 by sandman330

[sandman330]

@ Skymad, have you gone into your BIOS and turned off multi threading? being a CPU intensive sim, disabling multi threading will boost your FPS.

[sandman330]

And yes I too have noticed an FPS boost in world. I guess you take the good with the bad :music_whistling:

[macedk]

I wouldn't rule out driver issues. But is it the main factor..no.

 

Problem is that its a needle in a haystack.

 

Real test would imo be a complete new system on hardware and software, but nobody has such a system as a backup or the money for such a setup.

 

So we can talk all day and never really find the exact reason why it is x or y.

 

Frustrating ..yep and I think that all in the industry is or should be working against this kind of factor.

 

You can be sure that nobody wants to be at fault of any problems regarding people's hard/software.

 

Solution: Keep grinding and produce as much evidence as possible. This will give the helping part a reason and a base for a solution.

 

Ex: everybody is posting fault at the forum and nobody has made a support ticket. It will not be addressed, cause the support guy or team is not brain-wired into a forum. They have a system for that (support ticket in this case)

 

Use it :)

[sandman330]

I agree with you macedk, however I have dabbled in the support ticket side of things, especially in the early days trying to export, run multi screens be it with SLI or infinity, and to be quite honest I received no help in the matter, it seemed like the guy responding to me didn't have a clue. I have received excellent information and solutions from fellow simmers on this forum. There is always a post there somewhere that will hit the nail on the head.

[macedk]

I agree with you macedk, however I have dabbled in the support ticket side of things, especially in the early days trying to export, run multi screens be it with SLI or infinity, and to be quite honest I received no help in the matter, it seemed like the guy responding to me didn't have a clue. I have received excellent information and solutions from fellow simmers on this forum. There is always a post there somewhere that will hit the nail on the head.

That issue is a hardware issue and should been posted on the hardware site.

 

The option is there in the software but I would say that the producer of the software can not have support on what people choose to do on the hardware side. All I would have said in that case was "yes u can do that with our software but we don't have any support". "For help u need to find help at a editing of program files site".

 

Its like when u buy a smart-phone and call Samsung, they would put u in contact with Google , as Google has support for android system. Or the guy in shop phone shop, he has no support for the software only hardware.

 

Should they have support..sure but then the pricetag would be different.

[Rotorhead]

I really HATE my first post on this forum being a complaint, but I have exactly the same issue that you guys are referring to.

Yes, my system is rather old, but it was able to run standalone BS2 with reasonable FPS. I had the FPS limit set to 30 and usually, I've experienced no serious FPS drops (unless in big missions).

Even World Beta worked well (with BS2 and P-51 modules). I don't know exact framerates, but most of the time, it was perfectly playable.

Now, with 1.2.0, I can hardly get above 20FPS, sometimes I'm getting as low as 10FPS even during the simplest missions (both in BS2 and Mustang).

I tried everything to fix it, and nothing helps. DCS is now just unplayable for me :(.

[sandman330]

Yep that is true.. Hence why I/we receive information, help, tweak guidance and the like form others out there on these forums, that are more clued on with that side of computer coding etc..

 

Anyhow enough talking, time to go flying. :pilotfly:

[Skymad]

Yes, I disabled multithreading and power saving in BIOS.

[macedk]

Yep that is true.. Hence why I/we receive information, help, tweak guidance and the like form others out there on these forums, that are more clued on with that side of computer coding etc..

 

Anyhow enough talking, time to go flying. :pilotfly:

Agree :)

[Static]

I get about 35 fps max in cockpit view, 50s in fly by with an ATI 6990 & 6970. Have tried low, medium and high settings and don't see any difference between the max fps. I do know crossfire is working @ 70% on the 6990 & 50% on the 6970 using Afterburner. The AF OSD will not show up in game but it does show on my G510 keyboard. My system specs are in my sig. Im going to try the tweaks here & see if they help. :pilotfly:

 

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Edited July 19, 2012 by Static

[Kenan]

I have the exact same issues as OP..

DCS World runs slower then DCS: Warthog..

[Kenan]

I'm starting to think maybe something else is affecting the framerate? Sounds perhaps? Is it possible to "disable" sea ie. replace the animation with an inert blue surface?

 

I'm starting to think out loudly..running out of ideas here..

[Kuky]

Easiest is to have someone with very similar or same hardware (CPU/GPU mostly) match you settings in every way (in game and graphics driver) and run benchmark, it will show it FPS differ enough to warant something being wrong on your end. I just don't see how you could run all min settings with no cities and get such drastic FPS just by looking to the side? Maybe something is wrong with your TrackIR USB hub/port... I know from experience that you should always put only TrackIR on USB hub and not share it with anything else as TrackIR uses quite a bit of power (around 350mA) so don't know... I'm thinking out loud here also.

Edited July 19, 2012 by Kuky

[Kenan]

^^My trackir goes directly into the PC box so I don't think that is causing the issue..though I might try disable it completely and see if there's any changes in fps.

[Kuky]

When I say Usb hub I mean 2port motherboard USB hub, not powered USB hub. Each USB port is rated at 250mA and trackir uses 350mA so don't plug anything else in the second USB port right where you plug trackir in

[riboyster]

DCS programs have been processor whores ever since Beta 3 of Warthog. It seems that as time goes on, average DCS framerate seems to degenerate. The original Black Shark was the best thing so far to have come from DCS, and I find anything past that unplayable unless you posses the current top-notch equipment, and have the money to upgrade your rig every year.

Don't mean to be a party pooper, just being real.

[Rotorhead]

So I did a little test. I launched the "Ground Attack" quick start mission for SU-25T. I just sat there looking outside cockpit, without touching any controls. My FPS oscillated around 23, with resolution of 1280x800 and even with all graphic options set to lowest.

 

Then I removed World 1.2.0 and installed 1.1.2.1 (luckily, I kept the install files). And guess what - FPS jumped to about 45 with exactly the same settings!!! Then reinstalled 1.2.0 (no other changes to my system whatsoever), and... back to my 23 FPS.

 

So, I can understand that DCS standalone and DCS World are two different product (no matter that they look virtually the same), so they may have different system requirements. BUT... more than 50% performance drop between two versions of the same product?! Are you kidding me?!

 

And what is even more frustrating, this issue is being discussed here for longer than a week, and no reaction from ED yet. Does somebody out there care at all?