New stick, but wich one?

[Wackforce]

Hi, I'm looking around for a new stick and both TM warthog and Saitek X65 are tempting. I tried my friends Logitech G940 system and it didn't go well for me. Personally I just didn't like it too much. But my skepticism about the other two mentioned are the force sensing, the stick itself don't move but react to my applied force input. I do have the money to buy one but it's too expensive to just take a chance and hope it's ok.

And I was hoping if there was an opportunity to, example, buy the Saitek twin throttle and another stick that do move.

 

Any ideas? I will mostly use for BS2 and heli sims.

 

Thanks

[PeterP]

I will mostly use for BS2 and heli sims.

 

:music_whistling:(sorry) You are still asking yourself ?!?

 

Serious : Get a FFB stick!!!

(Honest : there is a high possibility that I'm a little biased...but once you used the "force-trim" like it is meant to be - you will never look back.)

 

 

A MSFFB2 would be ideal (FFB wise) - but it has lack of buttons (makes only really fun in a combat sim after some heavy moding..) - so you probably have to look at a G940.

And the G940 can be also very satisfying - you only have to use the"right" setting to get the most out of it:

>>> The G940. a guide... - ED Forums

 

Edit:

or a combo of a MSFFB2 together with the throttle unit of a Warthog makes also very much sense when in the BlackShark. - the Warthog throttle will compensate the few buttons on the MSFFB2.

>>> Microsoft FFB2 joystick buying advice

 

But also plan to get rudders - you will need them badly in a Helicopter.

 

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I just looked at your post-count and your join-date.

 

So here comes my "standard Ka-50 newbie reply" :

 

Download this

>>> KA-50 Black Shark 2 Training missions

 

 

Read also besides the manual this:

DCS: Black Shark...

Technical, Simplified

-Coaxial Rotor Aerodynamics

-Trimming the Ka-50 Black Shark <<<!!!! very important to understand this fully!

-Part 1 - Autopilot <<<this too!

-Part 2 - Autopilot

 

 

And when you still have time , read this too:

A Stick and Rudder Man's Guide

to DCS: Black Shark

 

Here is a useful tweak if you using real rudders:

How to unchain the rudder from trim - solution

 

Things you want to have some day too:

 

KA-50 collective: another picture-tale

 

Two MS FFB2 with Cougar Grip

 

 

 

Now there should be (for the next time) no questions left!

Welcome aboard!

Edited July 24, 2012 by PeterP

[MTFDarkEagle]

Hi, I'm looking around for a new stick and both TM warthog and Saitek X65 are tempting. I tried my friends Logitech G940 system and it didn't go well for me. Personally I just didn't like it too much. But my skepticism about the other two mentioned are the force sensing, the stick itself don't move but react to my applied force input. I do have the money to buy one but it's too expensive to just take a chance and hope it's ok.

And I was hoping if there was an opportunity to, example, buy the Saitek twin throttle and another stick that do move.

 

Any ideas? I will mostly use for BS2 and heli sims.

 

Thanks

 

Welcome!

 

The TM WH is NOT force sensing!

I use the WH for the BS all the time: brilliant stick for it!

[Wackforce]

PeterP: thanks for the links and for your opinions. Very helpful!

 

DarkEagle: You're right, the TM stick does move. That makes it much more interesting :) I don't know where I got that idea from. (I have a nasty tendency to tell myself funny stories I never heard before, maybe a link there)

Reading at the Saitek website the X65F is force sensing. (-1)

Anyway, good news about the warthog though.

I've been looking at pedals and found heli-pedals with foot-moving only, not the legs, witch I found very interesting. Well, this is still a future investment, but nice to trawl the market ahed before buying something expensive as this.

I'm definitively more close to the TM warthog now. :)

 

The two sim I play are DCS and RoF. Two brilliant sims in their own way. I'm not on weapons yet in BS2 as controlling the aircraft are still a challenge. I learned a full C&D startup and now practice flying, TO, landings and hover only.

 

Yes, this is my first writing here and thanks for the warm welcome.

 

Keep the blades flapping :)

[Yo-Yo]

:music_whistling:(sorry) You are still asking yourself ?!?

 

Serious : Get a FFB stick!!!

(Honest : there is a high possibility that I'm a little biased...but once you used the "force-trim" like it is meant to be - you will never look back.)

 

 

A MSFFB2 would be ideal (FFB wise) - but it has lack of buttons (makes only really fun in a combat sim after some heavy moding..) - so you probably have to look at a G940.

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I think that stick grip replacement and using the second USB controller for a new set of buttons is the best solution... but for me the number of MSFFB2 buttons is sufficient. Though I have DIY throttle assy with a lot of buttons, switches, tumblers, etc and CH throttle quadrant in hot reserve. :)

[skouras]

TM warthog stick brilliant excellent

i get a slack on stick after one year and a half as many others have problems

don't forget the throttle one

however i was able to replace the o-ring inside the base with a plastic one and now is perfect

i have the cougar one also

my advise go for another stick if you don't want to spent money on a hardware like this--

on the other hand you will be lucky and see no problems at all..

Edited July 24, 2012 by skouras

[MTFDarkEagle]

Let me tell you: you will NOT be dissapointed with the Warthog! :D

[Pilotasso]

There is not more slack on my warthog than the day I opened the box. The grip is very solid.

[skouras]

the problem it doesn't exist on everybody

but some users have report a slack on the stick

do a research and you will found out;)

[MTFDarkEagle]

the problem it doesn't exist on everybody

but some users have report a slack on the stick

do a research and you will found out;)

Off course. With any and all products there can be faults. But the people who have trouble can be much more vocal than the ones without ;) If you research long enough you can find faults with any product.

[Wackforce]

http://www.pro-flight-trainer.ch/en/

This looks tempting though. I'm not that big fan of FF. Sesitive movement is a higher priority for me.

 

It's going to be the TM WH for me first, and maybe later a collective stick.

 

And I have been looking at this pedals I'm thinking about going to get when possible. Exactly the kind I look for. Foot moving only, not the legs and knees.

http://www.simkits.com/product.php?prodid=313

 

So now it's time to get buzzy building a casing for the stick when extended. :)

 

Thanks for all good input guys.

[BudgieSmuggler]

http://www.pro-flight-trainer.ch/en/

This looks tempting though. I'm not that big fan of FF. Sesitive movement is a higher priority for me.

 

I bought a set of those, mainly for flight training practice. The extra sensitivity is good, esp. for small helicopters in X-plane but is not so much required for DCS BS. I had lots of problems with build quality though, mainly related to cheap potentiometers - they had to send some replacements and I already used three of them. Also the pedals resolution isn't good, they only move through 30% or so of the potentiometer travel and the centre position jumps around a lot. Lastly the whole thing is a bit light so the base plate moves around a bit.

 

I ended up disconnecting the pedals and using some saitek pedals mounted to a steel plate. That solved most of the problems. I haven't really used it much yet though, I started fixed wing flight training and the only heli sim I play for "fun" is BS, which is fine on TM Warthog or Logitech G940.

 

For reference, G940 FFB is quite good, the joystick holding trim centre in BS helps a lot. People here seem to complain about build quality issues but so far no problems here, maybe I just got lucky. The pedals have a v. strong centre notch though, yesterday I opened it up and removed the spring and that seems better at least for P51. Haven't tried BS yet.

 

PS. I worked out a way to justify the cost of expensive controllers. Just look seriously into real flight training, suddenly controllers don't look quite so pricey. Especially down here in .au!

[Wackforce]

You mean the pedals from Simkits? I would think they are good quality for that price...

 

The first link was just me dreaming. I going for the TM. Found a store in norway that sell them for 2350 NOK (388 $).