Flаnker Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 (edited) Ты сам придумал или тебе в Вымпеле сообщили? Edited September 24, 2020 by Flаnker Мои авиафото Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flаnker Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 не во вьетнаме, а в буре в пустыне и не шрайк, а харм буквально два сообщения назад отмотай Да, сорри давненько читал об этом случае - уже не очень припомню подробностей:) Мои авиафото Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackPixxel Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 The golden radome is obviously just a special skin for the R-27ER that the real pilots unlock after they shot down 20 enemy aircraft!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team Chizh Posted September 24, 2020 Author ED Team Share Posted September 24, 2020 Цвет радиопрозрачного обтекателя может быть любой. Зависит от наполнителя в композите. Единственный урок, который можно извлечь из истории, состоит в том, что люди не извлекают из истории никаких уроков. (С) Джордж Бернард Шоу Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flаnker Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 Цвет радиопрозрачного обтекателя может быть любой. Зависит от наполнителя в композите. А не смущает что у абсолютно у всех Р-27 обтекатель белый? И только у этих ярко жёлтый? Мои авиафото Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackPixxel Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 (edited) Цвет радиопрозрачного обтекателя может быть любой. Зависит от наполнителя в композите. Here is the ultimate argument for the missiles in the picture being R-27EP: The absence of datalink/reference antennas behind the actuated wings. Or will you also find an excuse for their absence? Edited September 24, 2020 by BlackPixxel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotenDead Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 (edited) Нет. Но отсутствие ракеты в войсках дает пищу для размышлений. Ну тут тема простая - в союзе не довели, а в 2000-х особого смысла в 27П уже не было поскольку 77-1 разрабатывалась. Для нас 27П/ЭП могла бы быть некой затычкой до введения чего-то 77-1 носящего, что случится, видимо, не очень скоро Edited September 24, 2020 by TotenDead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotenDead Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 The only known instance was the B-52 called 'in HARMs way' which was hit by an AGM-88. The story with some details: https://theaviationgeekclub.com/exclusive-former-buff-gunner-reveals-interesting-details-b-52-harms-way-incident/ Да, слышал, я просто скорее про ракеты воздух-воздух или зенитные говорил Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGTharos Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 Here is the ultimate argument for the missiles in the picture being R-27EP: The absence of datalink/reference antennas behind the actuated wings. Or will you also find an excuse for their absence? Does it mean it's EP or just ER without data-link? Or maybe it's just an instrumented missile? So no, it's not the 'ultimate argument'. I think someone had brought far, far better arguments to me in the English forum. I wonder how people will react if an EP is added and it goes straight for chaff ... I mean it's not like it knows that this reflection isn't the target radar. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackPixxel Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 (edited) Does it mean it's EP or just ER without data-link? Or maybe it's just an instrumented missile? These antennas are not just datalink, they are also the reference antennas to get the doppler shift of the target for the closure speed meassurement. R-27R/ER need those antennas for guidance. It is HIGHLY likely that those pictures show actual R-27EP. This radome? Only seen with R-27P/EP material. No datalink antennas? Cannot be R-27R/ER (And also no EA). No stripes or fixed control surfaces? No dummy missile. Edited September 24, 2020 by BlackPixxel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGTharos Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 This radome? Only seen with R-27P/EP material. Yes, present those, not illogical arguments that color=missile type :) I also didn't say dummy missile, I said instrumented. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flаnker Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 (edited) Yes, present those, not illogical arguments that color=missile type :)I showed the materials of the missile developers that the yellow head is used only on the R-27P I also didn't say dummy missile, I said instrumented. Training rockets look different Edited September 24, 2020 by Flаnker Мои авиафото Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaxDollarsAtWork Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 I showed the materials of the missile developers that the yellow head is used only on the R-27P Training rockets look different I believe it is trying to say that the picture might just be an instrumented round with telemetry like what you'd use in a testing range to see things like fly off range Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackPixxel Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 So we have a picture of two R-27EP on a Su-34 that look exactly like the R-27EP would look, but those must be instrumented missiles?? By the same logic I can argue that any picture showing Aim-120C is actually showing a training version of Aim-120B, so ED, please remove Aim-120C from the game! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flаnker Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 I believe it is trying to say that the picture might just be an instrumented round with telemetry like what you'd use in a testing range to see things like fly off range No. Test rockets don't look like that. This is an ordinary non-test air base (47th separate mixed aviation regiment, "Baltimore" is a military airfield in Voronezh.). Мои авиафото Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Velik Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 Su-34 looks the most logical choice to use this type of weapon. But I think, it is not a question of "add or not" It is a question "make it closer to real expectations = useless in DCS" "make it useful, but unrealistic = no way, redboys, you're only 15% of our profit" Спойлер Wishlist: MiG-31BM, An-72P, YaK-38M, A-5 Vigilante, YaK-3, He-162 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackPixxel Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 Yes, present those, not illogical arguments that color=missile type :) Just look at the previous page: https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=4498660&postcount=9644 Or here: http://bastion-karpenko.ru/r-27p-r-27ep-maks-2005/ Hence why it is in fact color=missile type Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackPixxel Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 Su-34 looks the most logical choice to use this type of weapon. But I think, it is not a question of "add or not" It is a question "make it closer to real expectations = useless in DCS" "make it useful, but unrealistic = no way, redboys, you're only 15% of our profit" I think a normal Flanker is a much better launch plattform. Higher speed and altitute for higher launch range, to shoot down AWACS or other fighters from far away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team Chizh Posted September 25, 2020 Author ED Team Share Posted September 25, 2020 Su-34 looks the most logical choice to use this type of weapon. But I think, it is not a question of "add or not" It is a question "make it closer to real expectations = useless in DCS" "make it useful, but unrealistic = no way, redboys, you're only 15% of our profit" None of us know the real effectiveness of 27P. In reality, it is affected by many factors and features of radars and ECM, which are not simulated in DCS. Единственный урок, который можно извлечь из истории, состоит в том, что люди не извлекают из истории никаких уроков. (С) Джордж Бернард Шоу Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotenDead Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 Да, как и любая другая урвв Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Кош Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 Да зачем нужна эта прототипная экзотика В-В ПРР. Лучше б сделали обновление логики сканирования всем радийным головам. ППС АВТ 100 60 36 Ф < | > ! ПД К i5-10600k/32GB 3600/SSD NVME/4070ti/2560x1440'32/VPC T-50 VPC T-50CM3 throttle Saitek combat rudder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max1mus Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 None of us know the real effectiveness of 27P. In reality, it is affected by many factors and features of radars and ECM, which are not simulated in DCS. Is that any different from other missiles in DCS? If in doubt, just make it horrible and only hit targets under ideal conditions. We know from the quoted Janes article, that the missile can not hit targets pulling more than 5.5G. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breakshot Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 Give us the R27EP! Отправлено с моего STV100-2 через Tapatalk Tim "Breakshot" Mytrofanov | C.O. of 51 ПВО / 100 КИАП Regiments | twitch.tv/51breakshot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaxDollarsAtWork Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 While an interesting novelty the R-27EP might be, I believe less tactically niche weapons like the AIM-9M-8/9, R-73 RDM-2, & AIM-120A should be higher priority missiles to add for ED About those some have been confirmed, when can we expect them in DCS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhivuchiy Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 Еще раз выскажу свои предположения. По статистике применения ПРР Харм в разных конфликтах это одна из наименее эффективных ракет. Количество выпущенных ракет на порядок превосходит количество пораженных целей. А чем обусловлена такая низкая эффективность? В игре вполне себе ракета. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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