rolling and pitching violently for no reason

[Soulres]

lol,mod jus close this thread already,all the kids are waking up and throwing their 10 cents into a solved thread :lol::thumbup:

[Pyroflash]

Yeah, I guess it isn't my business to try and help if you don't want it.

 

Though I still seriously have doubts that you yourself realized what the actual problem was. I can assure you that it probably isn't the tail wheel, even though you think it was. More than likely you just got better at it and covered up the root of the problem (which would still exist), and I recommend you re-think your approach, or at least re-examine the steps you use for evaluating you own performance (IMHO proper self-evaluation is an ABSOLUTE MUST for any pilot, virtual or otherwise).

 

But just remember, if at any time you feel like you are having trouble with something, don't feel like you can't come back and ask questions. If we never learned from our mistakes, humans would still be stuck in caves and we wouldn't HAVE nice things like airplanes. Just try and keep an open mind about it. The reason most people hang out around these forums is precisely to help struggling people with their issues, and if we help you with something, who knows, maybe you can pass that knowledge along later :)

 

The thing no one aspires to have around here though is spreading of misinformation. If you start spreading this, people will come down on you with ten tons of books and manuals from every conceivable corner of the known universe until you are breathing lift equations. After all, it is no good teaching people wrong info, even if you yourself are content with it.

 

If you want to argue about something, argue about the metaphysical meaning of heat. Or I don't know, whether or not it is a good idea to eat maggot filled cheese. Or possibly you know someone who is really good at throwing large telephone poles. Or you could decide to take up FC3 and argue U.S. vs. Rus. That one is ALWAYS popular.

 

Point is, there are plenty of things worth arguing over, but this is not one of them. Either take the advice or don't. if you don't like it, don't listen, but also don't complain about it. Especially when you were the one who asked what you were doing wrong to begin with.

 

Peace out,

This is absolutely the last comment I am making on this matter forgoing the possibility of further important developments.

Edited September 13, 2012 by Pyroflash

[Echo38]

I'll say one thing--he may be [rule 1.2 violation], but I gotta respect the determination required to slug it out despite not having a joystick.

 

Heck, I tried landing without joystick, once--using the trim-switch only. I can barely crash-land the A-10 that way, let alone the P-51.

 

So, here's hoping your attitude improves (and your willingness to learn), Soulres, but I gotta tip my hat to you for trying and not giving up.

Edited September 13, 2012 by sobek
1.2

[sobek]

Guys, if you can not comply with rule 1.2, i'll have to change my tune until you do.

This is your last warning.

[Stuntie]

.... ya can't throw a Hellcat pilot into a P51 and expect them to start and fly it! :pilotfly:

Actually you could and did.

(just correcting info - not flaming or anything)

 

In those days there were no two seat trainers for fighters like the P-51, Hellcat, Corsair and P-47 etc. Most of the trainers available at that time were far less powerful as well, and often biplanes.

But the skills you learnt through basic and advanced flight school were sufficient that you could study the manual, get a spot of ground school, and jump right in.

RAF pilots went from Tiger Moth biplanes straight to Spitfires and Hurricanes. Early USAAC/USN pilots often came straight from Stearman biplanes onto fighters.

If they were lucky they might get a 2nd line P-40 or Wildcat to try out first. As the war progressed T-6 trainers more akin to fighters performance wise were used. But even so you went from one of them straight into the cockpit of your new mount alone - be it Hellcat or Mustang. So giving a Hellcat pilot a Mustang is even easier than giving it to a fresh faced T-6 pilot as the Hellcat is nearer in performance and his hours and experience on the Hellcat stand him in good stead for the Mustang.

 

Jump in, start up, take-off, do a circuit and land. If not - well you get a free miltary burial.

[cichlidfan]

Actually you could and did.

(just correcting info - not flaming or anything)

 

What training they did receive was generally far less than originally intended as well.

[Soulres]

Day 3 of flying the P51D with a Xbox 360 controller,sorry guys,looks like you can fly in this game with it.:pilotfly:im also flying on full realism,so dont say im not :P

New Track.trk

[PeterP]

congrats! You are almost there where I was after 3 hours using a normal flight-stick!

 

EDIT: Hit [Ctl+Enter] while replaying your track to see how abrupt/unnatural your input is ... - it's better with a flight stick : http://shop.okluge.de/saitek-aviator-joystick.html?gclid=COy3sJmRtrICFUXKtAodIH8A6w

Edited September 14, 2012 by PeterP

[Soulres]

congrats! You are almost there where I was after 3 hours using a normal flight-stick!

 

EDIT: Hit [Ctl+Enter] while replaying your track to see how abrupt/unnatural your input is ... - it's better with a flight stick : http://shop.okluge.de/saitek-aviator-joystick.html?gclid=COy3sJmRtrICFUXKtAodIH8A6w

i know how it appears,but thats the smoothest i could get the settings,their is no dampener waht so ever,but how ever the plane behaves as i command it with a little thumbwork,i noticed the AI fly the exact same making fast littel adjustments to keep it where they want it.

[PeterP]

- If you are happy to fly like a AI plane.. - no problem!

...Just telling you once more that there are more satisfying ways to do it .

[Soulres]

- If you are happy to fly like a AI plane.. - no problem!

...Just telling you once more that there are more satisfying ways to do it .

i tried it with a flight stick,idk what kind it was my friends, ididnt like how it responded with the plane,wasnt smooth rolling or anything,it was the quick sharp movement like with the controller,just with my entire arm doing it, idk, im pretty satisfied,mayby if i found a flight stick with alot of stiffness, thats what im missing,way too sensitive.

[sobek]

You can tune that in the axis settings.

[Soulres]

You can tune that in the axis settings.

no dampener for the sensitivity,while hte xbox controller is possiable to play,it did take some adjusting. there is no dampener for the sensitivity.

[Krebs20]

Tuning the axis is not the same as a dampener. Check out putting curves in your axis and it will allow a finer amount of control.

[Soulres]

Tuning the axis is not the same as a dampener. Check out putting curves in your axis and it will allow a finer amount of control.

im sure with a joystick tthats how it would work, but actully with a xbox controller,it makes the plane difficult to fly,the over all sensitivty of the flightstick is what i need turned down, curves helps, but i start loosing control at the point im at. if you watch my last track, i cant pitch the stick all the left or right,

[Krebs20]

In your control options, go to axis tune on the roll axis. Does it reach the from full left to right in there? if not, recalibrate your controls and try again.

[cichlidfan]

The stick length and travel are what is finally limiting what you can do with the curves.

 

With curves you are trading less sensitivity in one area for increased sensitivity in another. With such a short travel distance, even with curves, you will still have issues.

[Krebs20]

In the end, a joystick will give you better control. There's only so much you can do with an xbox controller. It's like having the right tools for the job. Your xbox controller is like using a pair of pliers to take bolts off. Yes it works, but your still doing it wrong.

[Soulres]

In the end, a joystick will give you better control. There's only so much you can do with an xbox controller. It's like having the right tools for the job. Your xbox controller is like using a pair of pliers to take bolts off. Yes it works, but your still doing it wrong.

i have all the right tools for the job, :) put it this way, i use my 10$ kmart brand drill to drill holes,you use a 60$ Drill to drill the same holes, job gets done regardless :joystick: i am doing it right, just theirs feature that the A10,Ka50,Su25 have that the P51 doesnt,and thats with the over all stiffness of hte stick itself, its what makes flying with a keyboard sohard with teh p51, press the key for 1 second, the plane is upside down ;) i cnat fly the p51 with a flight stick designed like a fighter-jet stick not realistic,so im not gona waste my money on it for now :pilotfly:

In your control options, go to axis tune on the roll axis. Does it reach the from full left to right in there? if not, recalibrate your controls and try again.

Yep,did that way before i played the game

 

The stick length and travel are what is finally limiting what you can do with the curves..

isnt the stick,pluged in joystick (no idea what kind so dont ask) movedi t about a half inch ot the left, plane rolled fast, moved the xbox controller half inch rolled the same speed, Edited September 16, 2012 by Soulres

[cichlidfan]

i have all the right tools for the job, :) put it this way, i use my 10$ kmart brand drill to drill holes,you use a 60$ Drill to drill the same holes, job gets done regardless :joystick: i am doing it right,...

 

The issue here is that you do not have a drill. Any joystick, properly setup, will give you superior results. For that matter, if you glued the Xbox controller to the table and attached extensions to the sticks it would work better, just because of the length.

 

That being said, as long as you are enjoying yourself then have at it. Fun is what it is all about in the end.

[Soulres]

The issue here is that you do not have a drill. Any joystick, properly setup, will give you superior results. For that matter, if you glued the Xbox controller to the table and attached extensions to the sticks it would work better, just because of the length.

 

That being said, as long as you are enjoying yourself then have at it. Fun is what it is all about in the end.

seeing as how ED(and others) said using a xbox controller was impossible,and yet here i am flying with ease(on Realistic),now trying to match it up with Superior results with extreme fine tuning(moving the slider only 1 or 2 high or lower to test results),i understand your point,them being longer Would help, but the sensitivity ( i might be saying the wrong word for it, Response time, Delay) so the cockpit reacts slightly slower,if i could get a xbox controller profile out, im sure more people would play this game knowing they dont need a 200$ joystick that MIGHT work,but a simple xbox controller they probably already have laying around,

[cichlidfan]

When I said 'any joystick' I meant it. It can be a $10 ebay special if it functions and you set it up properly.

 

The fact that many here, not all by any means, use high end sticks does not mean we think they are a requirement.

[Soulres]

When I said 'any joystick' I meant it. It can be a $10 ebay special if it functions and you set it up properly.

 

The fact that many here, not all by any means, use high end sticks does not mean we think they are a requirement.

soon as i said ( I use a keyboard) all that was done wiht 2 pages was say how it cant be done and how i NEED a joystick,then i said "i tried using a xbox controller" then for 4 pages i was told how it wouldnt work lol and thing is i have a joystick and its set up the same way the controller is.and my friend has been tinkering with it all day and unless we loose some control with entire plane, a slight twitch to the left will put the plane on its side,im gona be playing with the settings regardless till their perfect,i might even look around in the .cfg as some friends said to look into.im gona be getting a sim package i made (more RAM,Throttles,Peddles,FlightDisplays,Flight Wheel) for FSX in the coming months,

Edited September 16, 2012 by Soulres

[Krebs20]

I didn't see anyone from ED post here. And you don't have a drill. You maybe have a drill bit and your tapping it in with a hammer. Still makes a hole but still doing it wrong.

Now if your in game axis doesn't go to the far left and right then you have a broken controller. Sometimes spikeing at the edge of pots will cause your controls to not work properly. In the end, your still limited with what you can do.

[Weta43]

The first few pages of this thread had me laughing out loud at work :-)

 

Reading the last few makes me sad & reminds me of something my father used to say when I was a kid :

 

"There are none so blind as those that will not see"

 

Good on everyone for being so patient, but I think one of "those" has been posting for 10 pages now & he really just doesn't want to know what you have to say, no matter how simply you explain it or how good your intentions are ...

 

Maybe time to accept some people don't want to be helped ?

 

 

(also makes me think of that dentist's saying : "you don't need to floss all your teeth, only the ones you want to keep".

You don't need a joystick to fly in DCS, you only need one if you want to fly well...)

Edited September 16, 2012 by Weta43