Which RWR going to be in the Ka-50

[Mechanist]

SPO-32 or SPO-15

 

The Su-25T has the SPO-32 too ,but it is not modelled due to the lack of informations.

Is the ED have the needed informaitons now to modell it?

[GGTharos]

Although ED has channels other than google, unfortuantely modelling SPO-32 properly would require some sort of classified information.

So, even if they have this information, they probably can't model it because it would get someone in trouble. If anyone can find pictures of the SPO-32 on the net, or eslewhere, together with illustrated operation of that device, that would be absolutely excellent.

[Mechanist]

So the SPO-15. And were will this device takeing place in the Ka-50s cockpit?

 

Maybe when the tank killers come out the informations about the SPO-32 will be declassified...

[GGTharos]

Yes, but the SPO-15's interface is not classified. See what I mean? :) We know what it looks like and what the lights do at least in theory. We know nothing about how the display works for the 32 :(

[GGTharos]

Same thing, IIRC.

[Trident]

IF (intentionally big IF ;) ) RSK MiG really gets around to giving ED all relevant information about the newer MiG-29 versions (as alluded to by one of those Russian Black Shark interviews) this might change... :)

[Cobra360]

Or they could always ask Sukhoi about the Su-27SM. Seeing as the Flanker is almost a trademark of ED at this stage.

[GGTharos]

IIRC the Su-27SM's systems are also quite classified, but I think that would be the right way to go, too.

[EvilBivol-1]

Firstly, whatever is actually in-service with the Air Force is has almost a nil chance of being opened up to the public. Secondly, the Ka-50 modelled (both in game and IRL) has no RWR at all. Only a 4-quadrant laser warning system.

 

Don't ask...

[GGTharos]

Sparrow bait :D

[EvilBivol-1]

Can you say "hover"? :D

[GGTharos]

Yes I can. Can you say 'He doesn't know its coming' :D

 

Although, unless I was in transit I would keep the chopper at no faster than 150kph which should do the trick regardless of aspect. No need to actually hover. Freaky, n'est ce pas?

[SimFreak]

Yes I can. Can you say 'He doesn't know its coming' :D

 

Although, unless I was in transit I would keep the chopper at no faster than 150kph which should do the trick regardless of aspect. No need to actually hover. Freaky, n'est ce pas?

I’m sure hudgi’s would dearly appreciate slow target overhead which will give them few extra seconds to lob pesky Stinger / Strella. ;)

[ARM505]

I take it then the tanks lasing their targets must also be modelled now if it wasn't already? I was quite amused to set up 3 A-10's vs about 30 T-80's to watch the AI and weapons modelling, only to have the tanks absolutely pummel the A-10's from the sky with their main guns! I then set up a couple of fling-wings against the tanks, who also got totally owned, in fact it was over even more quickly - the choppers barely got a shot off! No need for those silly Tanguska's around targets for close in defence when a couple of T-80's will do!

[EvilBivol-1]

Yes I can. Can you say 'He doesn't know its coming'

 

Hehe, yeah, I was really just teasing. Its unreasonable to expect any serious helicopter survavability under enemy air superiority. I'm sure the gameplay will balance out.

 

ARM505,

 

Current AI is very limited in brainpower. This is to be addressed to some extent in 1.2, but I don't expect miracles, either.

[Olgerd]

Guys. The real Ka-50 have not RWR equipment installed yet. Only laser illumination detector set and missile launch warning set. The second one is one of last upgrades of the helicopter.

[Mechanist]

Lot of soucre in the internet says the Ka-50 has such systems like RWR and others.

 

I guess the internet fooled me again :)

[ARM505]

Well, I know the AI needs work, but I was also commenting on the systems modelling, ie if a tank lases you, you should get the warning - hence the requirement for a simulated model of the tanks lasers.

 

On another note, I'm not quite sure how we're supposed to survive in a missile or fighter environment with no RWR. And therefore, how they expected the real Ka-50 to survive if it has no RWR. Are you supposed to use the 'see and avoid' principle?!? Even then, the Ka-50 doesn't have the best visibility out the cockpit judging by the photo's I've seen, especially for a chopper. I'd be feeling quite vulnerable - no way to run, and all you can do is try to hide, and that from an undetectable threat!

[Force_Feedback]

Choppers are not meant for air superiority, the (multirole) fighters are.

Iglas are for self defense only, for example when an enemy helicopter pops up out of nowhere, no fighter hunting with those.

 

Gone through pics of the ka-50 cockpit (the one moddled in 1.2) from that Chinese site, and I couldn't see, or read anything about a RWR.

[EvilBivol-1]

Its not the fighters that worry me so much - its the SAMs.

[Olgerd]

Lot of soucre in the internet says the Ka-50 has such systems like RWR and others.

 

I guess the internet fooled me again :)

 

Exactly. It is same as most internet sources claiming about Ka-50 possibility to carry Igla or R-73. It is not true. Only some flight test was performed with R-73, but there was no one guided launches of this missile.

[Olgerd]

Its not the fighters that worry me so much - its the SAMs.

 

Not a big deal at altitutes about 30-50 meters I guess. Newest Ka-50 versions have MLWS though.

[Iron Legionnaire]

Whoa, no R-73's or Iglas on the Ka-50?

 

I noticed in the payload editor that the Ka-52 can carry the R-73, though. Does it actually have this capability IRL, and if so, what are the differences between the Ka-52 and the Ka-50 that allow it to carry R-73s?

[Olgerd]

Whoa, no R-73's or Iglas on the Ka-50?

 

I noticed in the payload editor that the Ka-52 can carry the R-73, though. Does it actually have this capability IRL, and if so, what are the differences between the Ka-52 and the Ka-50 that allow it to carry R-73s?

 

It does not too. Ka-52 (as Ka-50) still to be in intensive testing and development process and in a future both helicopters possibly could carry R-73.

The main role of Ka-52 on a battlefield is supposed to be FAC(A)/forward observer.

[Force_Feedback]

Hmm, I swear I've seen lots of pictures with the Ka-50 carrying 4 Iglas (2 on each outer pylon), and those were from the nineties. But then again, I also have seen an image of the V-80 moch up, with 2 R-73s on the inner pulons.