game problem or peripheral problem ?

[Phyrex]

lets make it quick, basicly i just got DCS world, tried to do a quick fly (su-25t) to try my newly bought saitek x52 pro and encountered 2 problem.

 

#1 : the plane slowly but steadily kept raising its nose as if i was pulling on the joystick even tho i wasent touching the stick at all. i partially know about the concept of "trimming" so i think thats just what the problem might be

 

#2 : controlling the plane was insaly chaotic, slightly turning the rudder left for example quickly made the plane roll on the left and slight pull of the joystick even more than a little nudge made the plane go out of control. banking on the left and pulling to do a slight controlled turn is impossible.

 

im aware i have no experience at all, but im wondering, am i just really missing experience and lack knowledge on how these things work or is it my x52 thats faulty ? its kinda hard/confusing to say because the reactions when i move the stick are so extreme :/

 

(be considerate please, i know im a newb, but im just worried because the problem could be either reasons and the x52 was a big investment and, assuming im the problem, i really am dedicated to learn how to pilot properly with the right gear)

[ilikepie]

If you are worried about the gear being faulty, use the windows calibration to check for spiking axis. Then check to see if there is any conflicts in the options menu.

 

Might help

[PeterP]

If you are just doing the first steps in the Su-25T:

Try first flying the plane 'clean' - means without weapons - so you get used to its behaviour.

Yes: you may have to forget and/or over-think what you have learned in other simulators and start with the 'flight-school' again.

Even if the cockpit isn't click-able and fully 3d, the Su-25 has one of the sophisticates flight modelling you can find in a flight-simulator and is on-par with the A-10C (and even more challenging).

 

If you are still unsure if it is a controller issue , make sure you have no double- assignments in your profile that might 'fight' each other and have a look at these tools to isolate/fix the culprit:

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corrupt calibration? crazy joystick response? Use this tools Fix it:

Edited January 3, 2013 by PeterP

[Phyrex]

it was a self-made mission with basicly an empty sukhoi at a random airbase with 100% clear sky and no wind. the goal was just to do a quick take-off and fly-by to inaugurate my new x52pro. absolutely nothing was keybinded, it was just the throttle, the joystick and the POV hatswitch. thats it

 

and the calibration screen shows everything as normal :/

 

so i guess its just me ? but controls were so extreme, any sort of calculated, delicate manoeuver was impossible :S

[PeterP]

 

so i guess its just me ? but controls were so extreme, any sort of calculated, delicate manoeuver was impossible :S

 

 

OK - not a really clear description - but I might think I know what you talking off.

I also started to fly the first Time the Su-25 some many moons ago also with a X52.

 

 

First try to get the stick in a convenient position.

Means: try to bring the base of the stick at the same height like your relaxed

elbow. Also have something you can lay your arm on.

So you can make fine adjustments also over your arm and not only by your wrist.

BTW: Your wrist will be thankful !

 

Than also be very gentle with the Twist-rudder .

You have to imagine that the curve of it is made for rudder that you use with your legs and travel quite a distance to go from min to max.

But you have to do the same with the twist-rudder at the circle of a dime.

 

So you want to have a look in the axis tune settings for rudder/roll/pitch.

 

Set for the rudder a little dead-zone, so you don't move it unintended when using the pitch/roll.

 

And add also to all three axis's a curve of 20 (as a starter) to make them less sensitive in the centre.

 

When you have more muscle-training for fine-adjustment you may want to reduce the curves.

 

You have to know: The linear setting in the axis are meant for "full-realism"

means: 5 degrees deflection of the stick makes the same as 5° with the real one.

But

the real one reaches from the floor of the cockpit to your leap while the x52 is much,much shorter... - you don't have the long throw for fine-adjustments. - that's why you should use curves in your axis setting at the beginning.

 

 

I hope this will help you to go through the woods and that you will enjoy this gem for many years to come.

Edited January 3, 2013 by PeterP

[Suchacz]

At first, try to add some curvature for roll, pitch and yaw axis in the options/controls/axis commands menu (try something between 15-20), they will be a little less responsive around the center :smilewink:

 

And be patient, everything is based on your increasing experience. Hours spent in cockpit will soon become pretty rewarding.

Edited January 3, 2013 by Suchacz

[Phyrex]

so the axis curve thing, i'll find that in the simulator option right ? not in the x52 software ? (edit : where do you find the axis curve thingy ?)

 

also, little sideline question. in the A-10 keybinding list, i found something like this LCtrl+LWin+P

i understand that it means a combination of keypress including left control and P, but what does LWin means ?

Edited January 3, 2013 by Phyrex

[SkateZilla]

teh Windows Start menu Button.

[Phyrex]

teh Windows Start menu Button.

 

what ? and err...how's that suppose to work ? because...you know, if you press that button, it does what it was intended to do. how can i use it in the game or to even program my x52 since pressing it will open the start menu ?

 

and while im at it, does that mean RWin is the button next to Alt Gr that equals a right-click ?

 

edit : also, im still looking for that axis curve setting

Edited January 3, 2013 by Phyrex

[PeterP]

Controller Setting info from GUI manual

[Phyrex]

Controller Setting info from GUI manual

 

 

thanks !

[Phyrex]

alright, well id like to thank everyone for the help, im all set now.

 

i must admit that the sukhoi was just a freebie for me, i informed myself mostly in anticipation for the A-10, so i was mostly clueless as to how to read the sukhoi's HUD most of the time, that didint helped.

 

now its mostly optional but anyone using the x52 pro could tell me, am i better to directly keybind in the simulator or should i keybind with the saitek SST ? im asking mostly because im losing on the mode selector on the x52 with the former, but the latter might get complicated if i mess with it too much

[SkateZilla]

if you press ALT or CTRL first, it turns Win Button into a 2nd level Modifier Key.

[Phyrex]

if you press ALT or CTRL first, it turns Win Button into a 2nd level Modifier Key.

 

ooooh i see. okay yeah makes more sense