Comparision between Falcon AF and LockOn

[muamshai]

Hello all,

 

I am searching for the SOLID* comparisions between LockOn and Falcon AF. The comparisions that I've found are:

 

LockOn offers you Russian flyable aircrafts. Falcon AF doesn't

Falcon AF has clickable controls. LockOn doesn't.

 

I didn't try Falcon AF so much as I don't have a copy, and I don't know the technical difference between these two. It would be great if people here can tell me the difference.

 

Note: I don't want this thread to be converted into a game bashing thread. If you can't contribute positively just because that you can't control your emotions then please don't bother to post. Klar? compreendo?

 

Thank you.

 

* I mean that what you have observed and experienced, not what you have imagined.

[Cobra360]

I'll just say I have both and I fly Lockon a lot more. I'm not going any further than that as the thread will get ugly very quicky and most likely locked.

[Guest ThomasDWeiss]

Falcon 4 is a great sim supported by a fanatical bunch of fans while Lock On is a great sim supported by a fanatical bunch of fans.

 

Falcon4 is a seven or eight year old sim that suffered from the start from a host of bugs that were very slowly solved, and now is at the end of its development potential, suffering from all the limitations from what is after all, ancient concepts of how a sim could work.

 

Falcon4 also requires an inordinate amount of your time just to master the basics, while Lock On is more accessible and requires a lot of time to master how to fight and win in combat.

[britgliderpilot]

LockOn offers you Russian flyable aircrafts. Falcon AF doesn't

Falcon AF has clickable controls. LockOn doesn't.

 

In addition to that, some more strengths of F4:

 

Immersive comms, dynamic campaign in two real-world combat scenarios, hugely detailed avionics including real-life starting sequences ande very button and dial functioning, air to ground radar, a true multirole aircraft.

 

 

Some more strengths of Lomac:

 

Graphics, graphics, graphics, graphics.

Feel of flight, advanced flight model (for the Su25 and Su25T), dissimilar air combat, long BVR F-Pole jousts, close-in heater fights with MiGs and F15s, duelling with manpads and Shilkas, gunzo duels . . . .

 

 

The ideal sim would really combine bits of both ;)

[muamshai]

I'll just say I have both and I fly Lockon a lot more. I'm not going any further than that as the thread will get ugly very quicky and most likely locked.

 

I have thought about the same, and I ask from the moderators to delete such posts in this thread. My warning is also clear, and I am sure that it is written in the plain and simple English :)

 

My intention is just to get the differences, nothing more.

[Guest ThomasDWeiss]

In addition to that, some more strengths of F4:

 

Immersive comms, dynamic campaign in two real-world combat scenarios, hugely detailed avionics including real-life starting sequences ande very button and dial functioning, air to ground radar, a true multirole aircraft.

 

 

Some more strengths of Lomac:

 

Graphics, graphics, graphics, graphics.

Feel of flight, advanced flight model (for the Su25 and Su25T), dissimilar air combat, long BVR F-Pole jousts, close-in heater fights with MiGs and F15s, duelling with manpads and Shilkas, gunzo duels . . . .

 

 

The ideal sim would really combine bits of both ;)

 

I agree with you.

 

I think that KA-50 is the start of that, combining the strengths of both.

[Cobra360]

I agree with you.

 

I think that KA-50 is the start of that, combining the strengths of both.

 

 

How would that be? Do you mean the cockpit features of the Ka-50 are a step in the direction of F4s? Yes that is a good thing and hopefully one day it will be standard on all flyables.

 

On thing I do also like about F4 is the ability to do a cold startup, flicking all the switches and buttons, I love that, and this has also kind of been added to the Su-25T.

[peterj]

Falcon 4: AF had you switching between the 2D cockpit and the 3D cockpit, because the latter was somewhat unusable. Big immersion killer.

 

The quality of the Lock On cockpits are currently unmached in any sim and Ka-50 takes it further.

[muamshai]

OT in this thread: Do you need to have FC already before installing Ka-50 addon? I am asking this question because if FC is not needed before installing Ka-50 then how about the models (3D models and some logics) that are improved in FC? Are they also included in Ka-50 too, incase if somebody is installing Ka-50 directly?

[Revvin]

The Ka-50 will be released in another add-on pack, search the forums for references to 'Black Shark' for more information. The cockpit for that aircraft looks to be one of the most detailed seen in a combat sim yet and works with the TrackIR and is clickable (i.e you can move your mouse and click on a button in the cockpit) Personalyl I'm not that bothered about the clickable ability of the cockpit but understand its a big deal to others <shrug>

 

I have Falcon 4, and Falcon 4:AF and prefer to play Lock On: Flaming Cliffs. I like the feeling of flight better and the graphics are more immersive. It would be great to have a dynamic campaign but I never found the Falcon 4 as enthralling as some would have you believe. The poor TrackIR implementation in Falcon 4:AF was also a big turn off for me.

 

Just my take on the subject anyway <S>

[S77th-konkussion]

Dittos to that- the lack of Track support was the straw for me- I did not & will not buy it unless this changes at a minimum. I would also like to see some of the complexity of F4 built into LOMAC for the future- it appears I will have my wish. I don't think clicking pits are worth much- but I would like the more complex procedures, and switch & dial animation

[VapoR]

For me the biggest difference is that F4: AF offers the vaulted dynamic campaign with the comms and AI to support it. Lomac offers a great multiplayer environment with the ability to fly from both sides of the fence, as well as a great CAS experience.

[The Beast]

alright i m not sure how to put this but here it goes (remember this is my opinion) i think Lock on is eye candy yeah it has somethings but lets face it graphics arent everything. Falcon doesnt have the best graphics but i think it has a way better feel to it. I view lock on more as an acrade game and Falcon is the simulation. I ve played both as a matter of fact i started with lock on and then purchased F4AF. So if your looking for a quick game to learn buy Lock on but if you want a game that will take a while to learn then buy Falcon. Also i think falcon has a better mp then lock on but remember its just my opinion.

[Kula66]

In addition to that, some more strengths of F4:

 

Immersive comms, dynamic campaign in two real-world combat scenarios, hugely detailed avionics including real-life starting sequences ande very button and dial functioning, air to ground radar, a true multirole aircraft.

 

 

Some more strengths of Lomac:

 

Graphics, graphics, graphics, graphics.

Feel of flight, advanced flight model (for the Su25 and Su25T), dissimilar air combat, long BVR F-Pole jousts, close-in heater fights with MiGs and F15s, duelling with manpads and Shilkas, gunzo duels . . . .

 

 

The ideal sim would really combine bits of both ;)

 

Agreed, I used to play Falcon .. then LO. Tried going back to F4 and the graphics are so poor in comparision - clouds, ground detail, etc. LO is a work of art.

 

I'm not sure about the flight models - I've never flown an F-15 or F-16 ... but LO does 'feel' better. And the radar modelling and such feels right ...

 

Shame LO doesn't have a capmaign engine like F4 ... but hey, if it did we'd all need 8 x Xeons just to do the ramp start :)

[britgliderpilot]

alright i m not sure how to put this but here it goes (remember this is my opinion) i think Lock on is eye candy yeah it has somethings but lets face it graphics arent everything. Falcon doesnt have the best graphics but i think it has a way better feel to it. I view lock on more as an acrade game and Falcon is the simulation. I ve played both as a matter of fact i started with lock on and then purchased F4AF. So if your looking for a quick game to learn buy Lock on but if you want a game that will take a while to learn then buy Falcon. Also i think falcon has a better mp then lock on but remember its just my opinion.

 

I wouldn't say Lock On is arcade by any stretch of the imagination - there's a certain part of the flight sim community that looks down on any sim without a fully clickable cockpit and a dynamic campaign. I don't agree with them, but that's their prerogative ;)

 

 

I love the idea of the dynamic campaign, I love the idea of the clickable cockpit, I love the immersion you get from the comms and the real-world avionics.

Unfortunately . . . . . the lack of graphics or exotica just spoils it *for me*.

 

Graphics aren't everything - that is absolutely correct and Ace Combat proves that superbly. But I can't find a way for other features to override a game not looking like the real world. Sight is the primary human sense - if a game can't satisfy it, it's not for me.

 

It's a real shame . . . . . and I look forward to the day when we can have the realism in features AND the realism in graphics.

[Revvin]

Sight is the primary human sense - if a game can't satisfy it, it's not for me.

 

Thats its exactly, it's the same old quote of "graphics aren't everything" trotted out again and again as new sims come out and the genre moves forward. It's the same in the WWII sim genre as it is in the jet sim genre. Graphics go a hell of a long way to increasing the immersion. Too many 'accountants of the skies' out there who prefer pressing buttons and clicking switches in their cockpit to worry about actually flying or looking up from their MFD's to look at the outside world.

[The Beast]

I wouldn't say Lock On is arcade by any stretch of the imagination - there's a certain part of the flight sim community that looks down on any sim without a fully clickable cockpit and a dynamic campaign. I don't agree with them, but that's their prerogative ;)

 

 

I love the idea of the dynamic campaign, I love the idea of the clickable cockpit, I love the immersion you get from the comms and the real-world avionics.

Unfortunately . . . . . the lack of graphics or exotica just spoils it *for me*.

 

Graphics aren't everything - that is absolutely correct and Ace Combat proves that superbly. But I can't find a way for other features to override a game not looking like the real world. Sight is the primary human sense - if a game can't satisfy it, it's not for me.

 

It's a real shame . . . . . and I look forward to the day when we can have the realism in features AND the realism in graphics.

 

while then lock on is the game for you but for me falcon is what i want there is more realism in falcon something i wouldnt sacrifice for graphics

[britgliderpilot]

while then lock on is the game for you but for me falcon is what i want there is more realism in falcon something i wouldnt sacrifice for graphics

 

What I'm saying is that graphics is another side of realism ;)

 

 

But ultimately, I don't want to have to sacrifice one for the other - it's a pity that either viewpoint has to, to be honest.

[Guest ruggbutt]

The sensation of flight is done better in Lock On, even the non AFM planes.

[The Beast]

What I'm saying is that graphics is another side of realism ;)

 

 

But ultimately, I don't want to have to sacrifice one for the other - it's a pity that either viewpoint has to, to be honest.

 

yes i will agree with you on that point as well it is a shame we have to sacrifice for one or the other. But since we do that means to each his own then ;)

[The Beast]

The sensation of flight is done better in Lock On, even the non AFM planes.

how so??

i get a better sense of the real thing in Falcon

[Guest ruggbutt]

My attitude is that you love each sim for the enjoyment it gives you. Otherwise uninstall it. I fly more than one sim, and I do so for different reasons. And I refuse to choose between playing one or the other. Cuz no one can make me play just one! ;)

 

how so??

i get a better sense of the real thing in Falcon

 

Having had the controls of a real plane, and flown down low and fast in planes and choppers LOMAC feels better to me. A family friend of ours is an F16 instructor at Luke. He told me Lock On felt more real.

[The Beast]

My attitude is that you love each sim for the enjoyment it gives you. Otherwise uninstall it. I fly more than one sim, and I do so for different reasons. And I refuse to choose between playing one or the other. Cuz no one can make me play just one! ;)

 

 

 

Having had the controls of a real plane, and flown down low and fast in planes and choppers LOMAC feels better to me. A family friend of ours is an F16 instructor at Luke. He told me Lock On felt more real.

 

i dont know in lomac the controls feel sluggish to me. Landing dont seem real either. The Communications dont feel real either however in falcon i get a better sense of all of this. I guess i would say that falcon is more in depth and take a long time to learn which is perfect for me because it keeps its playablity where as lomac does take but two or three days to figure out and there is really no depth what so ever. For example the campagains in falcon are wide open. Where as in lomac its pretty much do this mission beat it and move on NOT REAL. Falcon has more realism i belive. I feel there is more stuff to do and to me thats a big selling point it just feels more real to me

[Guest ruggbutt]

Where as in lomac its pretty much do this mission beat it and move on NOT REAL. Falcon has more realism i belive.

Neither of them are real. Like I stated before, I don't give a rat's ass about choosing between the two. I like both for what they are, as I like IL2/FB/PF for what it is.

 

Next time I get my friend over (which is difficult) I'll ask him how real any of it is. He does the real thing for a living. Frankly, I think it's stupid to argue over what is more "real". Alot of people bought Crimson Skies, which was as arcade as you can get. But it was fun. And we're playing these computer games/sims because they're fun.

[Weta43]

I suspect you're talking to someone who doesn't want to hear R.B. - & who is probably going to keep saying the same thing over till they have the last word.