pepin1234 Posted February 7, 2013 Posted February 7, 2013 Evidence from reputable source please, or I call bullshit. if you like evidence, Internet is your place. Read and compared and lets dont be ignorant. Is not a secret that Serbian have not the same powerfull news empire. The best example of how they want to lying to the world, is the current Syrian civil war and his and his fantastic news histories. No more lies! 2 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
agrasyuk Posted February 7, 2013 Posted February 7, 2013 What mean any source for you?? ... All of them are denied by the most profetional liars ever existed. He already said - "HUD camera footage" where F-15 or 16 gets shot down by a mig or su. Anton. My pit build thread . Simple and cheap UFC project
karasawa Posted February 7, 2013 Author Posted February 7, 2013 (edited) There is a senior F-16 pilot on f-16.net who used to an exchange pilot in other countries and has over 500 hours in Mig-29. He has also acquired a master degree in aerospace engineering after retirement. According to his papers, F-16 block 40/50/52s has a significant sustained turn rate and roll rate advantage, coupled with less energy bleeding rate in high G turn. Mig29 has very few chance without the Helmet Mounted Sighted R-73. In a gun fight the F-16 could outturn and outpower the Mig in almost every situation. Edited February 7, 2013 by karasawa
pepin1234 Posted February 7, 2013 Posted February 7, 2013 Well, could Yougoslavian airforce show a single F-16 wreckage to public? As far as I know, the Mig29 of Nebojsa Nikolic was shot down by a Dutch F-16 on 6 Apr 1999 and the photo of its wreckage is shown on numerous journals:megalol: Here we go: http://www.pbase.com/vmarinkovic/image/30732911 the others two F-15 mentioned in this thread. One of them were able to landing damaged and the other one were seriusly damage getting forced landing at allied territory but retired of the service ( thats why they keep the big lie that the F-15 have not lose in combat ) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
karasawa Posted February 7, 2013 Author Posted February 7, 2013 (edited) He already said - "HUD camera footage" where F-15 or 16 gets shot down by a mig or su. I do believe he will give many excuses for not finding any HUD footage Edited February 7, 2013 by karasawa
karasawa Posted February 7, 2013 Author Posted February 7, 2013 Here we go: http://www.pbase.com/vmarinkovic/image/30732911 the others two F-15 mentioned in this thread. One of them were able to landing damaged and the other one were seriusly damage getting forced landing at allied territory but retired of the service ( thats why they keep the big lie that the F-15 have not lose in combat ) Sorry, man, this was the Falcon downed by ground fire, not by migs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orv8-siraJM
pepin1234 Posted February 7, 2013 Posted February 7, 2013 (edited) Sorry, man, this was the Falcon downed by ground fire, not by migs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orv8-siraJM the same situation with the F-117 " always visible " by the Yugoslavian air defence but also visible by the major Milorad Milutinovic and his mig resulting the F-117 with twice impact, one of them by his R-73. In the real life the USAF have a really hard job against a strong force equiped with russian hardware, the RWR could be into collapse. and yes I am sorry... Edited February 7, 2013 by pepin1234 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
karasawa Posted February 7, 2013 Author Posted February 7, 2013 (edited) If any of you is searching for a HUD photo which shows a F-15 gets locked by a Su-27, I have one and I can upload it tonight. http://s18.postimage.org/tpya2h65z/Su27_locked_on_F15.jpg But it was not a real dog fight, since the eagle was carrying 3 fuel tanks. It was more of a joke during a scheduled formation flight. A flanker locked a eagle from the rear and the eagle tried to get rid of the tailing flanker but failed, because of the heavy payload. JASDF used to have numerous conflicts against China's airforce. A magazine showed a China's Flanker (From google I was gathering that it's also known as J-12 because Chinese has made some modification), which was maneuvering aggresively against a JASDF eagle, but finally got owned. The translation is as follows: I was flying calmly as usual, so I didn’t expect that when we met, he was moving offensively. I still had one fuel tank under my fuselage and won't drop it, so I set the engine to maximum thrust to turn and climb abruptly. He tried to follow, but he failed because he lost too much speed, so he descended to accelerate. I could read this from my HUD. http://s7.postimage.org/uo8lbal49/JASDF_01.png Ok, one fight alone does not prove much since this might be a special case. China's modification on J-12 may have made the flanker heavier, thus less maneuverable. Edited February 8, 2013 by karasawa Spelling mistakes
karasawa Posted February 7, 2013 Author Posted February 7, 2013 (edited) In the real life the USAF have a really hard job against a strong force equiped with russian hardware, the RWR could be into collapse. and yes I am sorry... Yes, and the Ruskis got toasted for most of the time.:lol: Edited February 7, 2013 by karasawa
pepin1234 Posted February 7, 2013 Posted February 7, 2013 If any of you is searching for a HUD photo which shows a F-15 gets locked by a Su-27, I have one and I can upload it tonight. But it was not a real dog fight: during the visit in 1992, F-15s And Su-27s had a scheduled formation flight, during which a Su-27 made a joke: http://www.clubhyper.com/reference/f15vssu27sm_1.htm It broke the formation and locked a F-15 from its rear. The F-15 has 3 fuel tanks and was thus unable to get rid of the tailing flanker. You will see that from the photo. Don't turn and say me something serious about that: the same situation with the F-117 " always visible " by the Yugoslavian air defence but also visible by the major Milorad Milutinovic and his mig resulting the F-117 with twice impact, one of them by his R-73. In the real life the USAF have a really hard job against a strong force equiped with russian hardware, the RWR could be into collapse. and yes I am sorry... or maybe you are a 16 years old and we are losing the time reading to you. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Mandrake5 Posted February 7, 2013 Posted February 7, 2013 What mean any source for you?? The Yougoslavian Mig-29 had a lot of problems in their radars and a lot of technical problems and were not spare parts for them. They were not able to use their radar. There are 3 Nato F-16 shootdown by yugoslavian Migs by the serbian pilots: Nebojsa Nikolic, Ljubisa Velickovic, Iljo Arizanov, one F-15 by the serbian pilot Zoran Radosavljevic and other F-15 damaged by the serbian pilot Slodoban Peric. All of them are denied by the most profetional liars ever existed. Well, I think we agree that somebody is lying here ;)
karasawa Posted February 7, 2013 Author Posted February 7, 2013 Don't turn and say me something serious about that: or maybe you are a 16 years old and we are losing the time reading to you. OK. Show us your CV to prove that you are not 16 years old, man
GGTharos Posted February 7, 2013 Posted February 7, 2013 The only thing those MiG-29's shot down was the MiG-29's reputation. The only thing you're shooting down right now with your fake story is your own credibility. The funny part is that you're calling professional US pilots professional liars, but somehow your 'personal testimonies' are not lying to you, huh? :D if you like evidence, Internet is your place. Read and compared and lets dont be ignorant. Is not a secret that Serbian have not the same powerfull news empire. The best example of how they want to lying to the world, is the current Syrian civil war and his and his fantastic news histories. No more lies! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
pepin1234 Posted February 7, 2013 Posted February 7, 2013 Well, I think we agree that somebody is lying here ;) internet please. Let's save our words and search yourself [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
karasawa Posted February 7, 2013 Author Posted February 7, 2013 Don't turn and say me something serious about that: or maybe you are a 16 years old and we are losing the time reading to you. Could you please, but seriously, give us a HUD footage? And another observation: There was only one F117 lost in combat. Given that F117 perform the most dangerous missions, it's hard to believe your claim that F117 was always visible to Yougoslavian military.
GGTharos Posted February 7, 2013 Posted February 7, 2013 Too bad that you once more demonstrate that you have absolutely no idea of what it is you're talking about. The Serbs shot down an F-117. They shot it down because they moved their SAMs around so their positions wouldn't be known - the F-117 pilot didn't know he was flying too close to a SAM battery. Stealth isn't magical, it reduces detection ranges to something like 1/10th the range of a 'standard fighter target'. The F-117 flew into that range. But F-117's flew MANY TIMES in that area, and SAMs never saw them. The F-117 proved that it does work. There was no R-73 or any other air to air missile used against any F-117. How do you think the MiG-29's would target them at night without NVG, and their poor, broken radar, and no idea from GCI of where to find them? You live in a world of air warfare fantasy. the same situation with the F-117 " always visible " by the Yugoslavian air defence but also visible by the major Milorad Milutinovic and his mig resulting the F-117 with twice impact, one of them by his R-73. In the real life the USAF have a really hard job against a strong force equiped with russian hardware, the RWR could be into collapse. and yes I am sorry... [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
GGTharos Posted February 7, 2013 Posted February 7, 2013 Any pilot in that position is going to try and rmin the AIM-9. A 'throttle-up' means a 9 up the tailpipe. Lol Any pilot in a modern fighter that gets shot down by an A-10 has really been sleeping on the job. As for that video, a simple throttle up would have left the A-10 way behind with no firing solution. No need to turn and burn, BVR all the way. Agree with 'NoCarrier'. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
arcivanov Posted February 7, 2013 Posted February 7, 2013 Here we go: AF 88-0550 was shot down by SA-3, not MIG-29.
karasawa Posted February 7, 2013 Author Posted February 7, 2013 Last, but not least, another observation: pepin1234 told us that the F117 was shot down by a MIG29 with close range missile, not by mid-ranged A2A missiles, not by surface 2 air missiles, which means: The F117 is still invisible to Yougoslavian radar, right?
pepin1234 Posted February 7, 2013 Posted February 7, 2013 The only thing those MiG-29's shot down was the MiG-29's reputation. The only thing you're shooting down right now with your fake story is your own credibility. The funny part is that you're calling professional US pilots professional liars, but somehow your 'personal testimonies' are not lying to you, huh? :D When I say liars, and please read again. I have never mention US pilots because in the yugoslavian operation were other imperialist nations. By the way how come that you being a moderator come into disagree with us and sometimes you could use offensives word, mostly against the russian hardware. Is not the first time I got you arguing with the users of this forum. What kind of moderator are you that you believe you have the rights to decide which hardware of our games is better and the best you can do is avoid the confrontation with the ED customers??????? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Mandrake5 Posted February 7, 2013 Posted February 7, 2013 You live in a world of air warfare fantasy. To be fair he's not alone on this forum - lots of folks here seem to have been raised in some fantasy world in which sov/rus hardware is always either superior or equal to Nato's, but NEVER inferior. i actually feel a bit sorry for them; it must be a rude awakening, as shown by the unending paranoid rants and conspiracy theories I suppose....
karasawa Posted February 7, 2013 Author Posted February 7, 2013 Well pepin1234 thinks that AIM7 and AIM120 are so effective because of the "balance gameplay" thing?
GGTharos Posted February 7, 2013 Posted February 7, 2013 What's your problem pepin? Did I threaten you with moderation if you don't stop spreading these lies of yours? I didn't - in fact, I'll only moderate discussions that /I/ participate in if I absolutely must; I prefer another moderator to do this, since otherwise things could certainly be opressive. I don't decide what ED does with their titles, just like you don't. When I say liars, and please read again. I have never mention US pilots because in the yugoslavian operation were other imperialist nations. By the way how come that you being a moderator come into disagree with us and sometimes you could use offensives word, mostly against the russian hardware. Is not the first time I got you arguing with the users of this forum. What kind of moderator are you that you believe you have the rights to decide which hardware of our games is better and the best you can do is avoid the confrontation with the ED customers??????? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
pepin1234 Posted February 7, 2013 Posted February 7, 2013 What's your problem pepin? Did I threaten you with moderation if you don't stop spreading these lies of yours? I didn't - in fact, I'll only moderate discussions that /I/ participate in if I absolutely must; I prefer another moderator to do this, since otherwise things could certainly be opressive. I don't decide what ED does with their titles, just like you don't. You can not moderate arguing with the users of this forum. You have a great knowledge but you dont know all, mainly the internal situations of an army in a conflict. Is not hard find all these details I have wrote here. So you lets me make my work being Fan of the ED products and also Fan of the russian hardware and also you lets yourself make a good job like moderator and not more offensives words to us by you. It is what I request you. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
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