Su-27/-33 questions for FC3

[-Ice]

Just wondering if these have any A-G capability in FC3, and if so, to what extent? I've been told these aircraft don't have an A-G radar, so is it only visual CCIP bombing? But the product page lists CCRP delivery mode as well....

 

Also, I remember reading about 6DOF cockpits, is it for both?

 

Thanks!

[Silver_Dragon]

6DOF cockpit only on Su-27. the Su-33 has only a "future" plan.

[159th_Viper]

CCIP, CCRP and Unguided rockets.

[-Ice]

Thanks for the 6DOF confirmation, Silver Dragon!

 

Regarding A-G, any confirmation of whether these aircraft has an A-G radar? I wonder if there's a FC3 manual available for potential buyers?

[GGTharos]

They don't have AG radar modes.

[-Ice]

Hello GG! Can you explain some more please? How can it do CCRP if there is no A-G radar?

 

Or do you mean there is no A-G radar implemented YET??

[159th_Viper]

How can it do CCRP if there is no A-G radar?

 

You designate the target with the aiming reticle in the HUD by depressing the trigger. Hold the trigger and transition to level flight. Follow HUD indications to fly aircraft into release parameters and bombs will release automatically.

 

Just buy FC3 - you will not be disappointed :thumbup:

[Grim_Smiles]

6DOF cockpit only on Su-27. the Su-33 has only a "future" plan.

 

I'm crossing my fingers and hoping some day that it not only gets 6DOF cockpit and new model, but that it gets its own DCS title sim.:)

[-Ice]

You designate the target with the aiming reticle in the HUD by depressing the trigger. Hold the trigger and transition to level flight. Follow HUD indications to fly aircraft into release parameters and bombs will release automatically.

 

Just buy FC3 - you will not be disappointed :thumbup:

 

Ah, that is precisely the answer I was looking for. So definitely no A-G radar, but maybe just some computer that can calculate release parameters for CCRP.... bummer.

 

I seem to remember a dive-toss tutorial I watched years ago, with a non-US aircraft and I kinda hoped that was at least radar-aided.

 

So without a A-G radar, how does a SU-27/-33 pilot find and engage ground targets then? For example, finding an armored column and attacking with CBUs? Or locating a particular building in a town and bombing it? Are there any aids or is it just the MK I Eyeball ?

[159th_Viper]

So without a A-G radar, how does a SU-27/-33 pilot find and engage ground targets then? For example, finding an armored column and attacking with CBUs? Or locating a particular building in a town and bombing it? Are there any aids or is it just the MK I Eyeball ?

 

FAC-A, ABFAC, JTAC talk-ons, detailed map briefings, targets marked with smoke from fellow pilots etc etc etc - the list goes on.

 

(Above obviously referring to a MP environment)

[-Ice]

Sorry, I probably should've specified SP or maybe just 2 (inexperienced) guys in MP.

 

While I can understand "detailed map briefings, FAC, and JTAC," I wonder how a lone pilot would do this? Especially convoy-hunting? I sure hope the SU-27/-33 doesn't end up looking like a "faster A-10C" because it doesn't have an A-G radar and relies on the pilot's eyes.

[159th_Viper]

Well, in the absence of air-to-ground radar, visually locating and identifying the target is the only viable option left for the lone pilot, especially considering that they only utilize unguided ordnance. That and the fact that they are air-superiority fighters and not bomb-trucks.

[GGTharos]

By being told, by seeing, by knowing where to go look for things ... much like an A-10 or Su-25 or F-16 would have done back in the day. Also coordinates input into the nav system before takeoff.

 

In any case, I guess you could claim that either radar or laser are used in A2G CCRP modes automatically since the terrain elevation doesn't throw off the CCRP as if it was based on baro altitude only and you don't have to input altitude ... so in that respect, you could claim that there is some form of A2G radar use.

 

Ah, that is precisely the answer I was looking for. So definitely no A-G radar, but maybe just some computer that can calculate release parameters for CCRP.... bummer.

 

I seem to remember a dive-toss tutorial I watched years ago, with a non-US aircraft and I kinda hoped that was at least radar-aided.

 

So without a A-G radar, how does a SU-27/-33 pilot find and engage ground targets then? For example, finding an armored column and attacking with CBUs? Or locating a particular building in a town and bombing it? Are there any aids or is it just the MK I Eyeball ?

[-Ice]

Thanks again for the replies.

 

I'm just trying to figure out the A-G capabilities of this aircraft. I'm not very interested in the A-A-only F-15 and the A10C is just too A-G-focused, so it'll be fun to be able to go up in an aircraft that can do a bit of both.

 

I wonder now what the "max range" for bombing is for the SU-27/-33? Anyone know?

 

Also, does the Russians have some sort of TGP and if so, can the SU-27/-33 mount it? I am guessing from your replies that the aircraft can't carry LGBs/JDAMs/wind-corrected munitions (Russian equivalents)? Just dumb bombs and CBUs?

 

Thanks for the replies, much appreciated! Saves me from coming into FC3 with the wrong expectations!

[GGTharos]

These are pretty old versions of those Russian planes. In terms of A2G, all they have is what you have been informed in this thread.

 

Newer versions sport more interesting hardware, but they're not modeled as flyables in FC.

 

Generally speaking, the Su-27 is supposed to be strictly an interceptor, same as the MiG-29 even though both could drop A2G ordnance. The Su-33's role is also air to air: Protect the submarine fleet from anti-sub aircraft.

[Devilman]

You can deploy bombs from altitude, however at the sacrifice of acuracy. i find one of the most enjoyable aspects of A-G in a Su-33 is bombing shipping. followed by engaging smaller sams. it does help to have an extra pair of eyes spotting for the smaller stuff.

 

its also pretty hard to do some of this stuff with out good target knowledge.

 

if you are on sometime id be happy to take you out and do some A2G with SU-33.