Huey G940 Setup

[Lt.Seahawk]

Hey,

 

just wondered if anyone else is using the G940 Logitech System and how anybody else set up the axis and dead zones.

 

I figured out that setting the deadzone to about 15 helps a little to smooth out the controls.

[Dustoff74]

Hi Lt.Seahawk!

 

I have the G940 myself. For the time, I´m flying with all sliders to zero.

With my stick that means, that I´m flying most of the time in the sticks "built-in" centerplay. I even took it apart, to see if I could get rid of it.

Obviously Logitech tried to safe some cents on that thing. All the gimbal axis use ball bearings..but one. That´s the weak point where the play is.

 

One concern that keeps me away from deadzones and curves is, that with the trim ability of FFB sticks your "zero-point" shifts with the flight conditions.

As I understand, the curves and deadzone are fixed to the sticks "real" center position.

 

So if I give it e.g. 20 curvature, when I´m trimmed for hover, I may already out of the effective range the curve has.

 

But I´m happy to try everything that would give me a little more stick movement. Right now I´m barely moving it at all. It´s more kind of using a little pressure.

[Grenadey]

I'm using the G940 with no curves at the moment, but I'm literally just about to start playing with SimFFB to try and get this stick at least feeling like the real thing. I'll report back later today with my results.

 

Grenadey

[Suchacz]

I'm using extended G940.

 

I begun with curvature 25, but I'm lowering it with gained experience. Now I'm trying to fly her with zero curvature. I found, that non-linear input can be more confusing than helpful...

...and zero deadzone of course

[Emmer]

Am using the G940 as well.

Current setup so far:

 

Deadzone: 15

Saturation X: 100

Saturation Y: 70

Curvature: 0

 

Still experimenting with the settings ; but so far so good.

 

Again , its not my final setup.But am getting there.........:smilewink:

[Haukka81]

G940 here too, zero broblems.

 

No curves at all, (well 15 for pedals but those are not counted in trim. )

 

Forces set from logitehc control pane

 

101% (overall fore is bit weird , feels lot better when 101 than 100)

50%

70%

 

 

-haukka81

[Emmer]

G940 here too, zero broblems.

 

No curves at all, (well 15 for pedals but those are not counted in trim. )

 

Forces set from logitehc control pane

 

101% (overall fore is bit weird , feels lot better when 101 than 100)

50%

70%

 

 

-haukka81

 

Have all the forces set to 70%.In the Logitech Control Panel.

 

In game :

Trimmer Force - 50

Shake - 0

I took the shaking off.

 

Still experimenting with it though............

Edited May 5, 2013 by Emmer

[Reksi-Erkki]

Straight curves with no deadzone seem to work for me - I extended the stick using these instructions, I just added some plastic tubing and duct tape inside the handle to strengthen it.

 

Also, it seems that if I shut down the Logitech control panel, force trim works fine... no need for SimFFB. With the panel enabled it feels like the centering spring is always enabled. But I have to verify this; it may be that I just don't know how it should feel. Anyway, after trimming I need very little force to keep the helo flying (almost) straight, and the stick will not be centered.

 

Doesn't work (properly) with the Ka-50 though. EDIT: yes it does, after MacGyvering the optical dead man sensor on the stick.

Edited May 5, 2013 by Reksi-Erkki
Fixed!

[Haukka81]

Force centter works fine in my KA-50 , sad that pedals cant be separated from trim like in huey.

 

 

Im happy with my forces, for now.

 

 

-haukka81

[Grenadey]

I've given up with messing with the axes. I've found you can only fly properly with completely linear axes, no dead zone and 100% saturation.

 

I think the next thing will be to extend the stick to get the finer control or wait for the previously mentioned damper/slider to lower the sensitivity of the hardware.

 

Grenadey

[Emmer]

Roger that.

 

I'll give that a thought as well......

 

For now its ok.

[Noj]

I'm using the G940, too, though I have the pedals connected via the BU0836X controller module, rather than through the G940 stick.

 

I have no curvature or dead zones for the stick and throttle but a quite large dead zone for the pedals.

 

All are on 100% saturation. So far no issues at all with control (I tried a TM Warthog first and it was, well, wild). In fact I just made my first successful landing today, at the third attempt overall :)

 

The difference between flying with the Warthog and the G940 was instantly very apparent. You just can't beat FFB for flying DCS helicopters.

 

PS - forgot to mention, I don't use the Logitech software at all.

Edited May 5, 2013 by Noj

[fangav]

No logitech software used here.

Started with 70 Saturation, 20 curves, 0 dead zone for both pitch and roll.

Now at 90 saturation, 0 curves and 0 dead zones.

100 Saturation soon.

[Grenadey]

When you say you don't use the Logitech software what do you use? I thought it had to be installed for the FFB to work?

[P1KW]

I do not use dead zone, curves or saturation. Damping and force in FFB settings 100% (*)

Pedals and throttle axis connected to a BU0836.

The pedals without spring, the ForceTrim unlinked.

 

(*) To control damping & force and also to relax the force from FFB while holding the ForceTrim button use this software:

http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=1628706&postcount=43

IS ABSOLUTELY RECOMMENDED. You get very realistic control of the helicopter.

 

(*) I have extended lever joy, I need more force to get the same resistance.

 

Greetings!

[P1KW]

When you say you don't use the Logitech software what do you use? I thought it had to be installed for the FFB to work?

 

 

It is perfectly possible. Need the driver for the OS, and can control the G940 in W7 Control Panel. :thumbup:

 

You can not program keyboard macro buttons or axes. Nor can assign profiles or set the mode button. :megalol::lol:

 

In other words, you will not have to do stupid things. And will, direct and transparent control in the G940. :thumbup::smartass::thumbup:

 

Note: This content is personal and subjective. :music_whistling:

[oniellnz]

For me, I have a tired G-940... Several parts are not working.

 

This includes the rudder - flutters all over the place and is now in the bin (have my old Saitek pedals back on line.

 

Settings:

 

Force feedback off in the control panel and in game. I olny use force feedback for IL-2, and havn't played that in a long time (Thanks ED For DCS!)

 

Curves etc:

 

Everything default (Including dead-zone) except for the X axis on the joystick.

For this I have a Saturation of 50% This stops me rocking from side to side so much.

 

This works for me. Landed in the field, where I wanted without crashing - and took off again. Even flew under some power lines, and attempted to fly under a bridge - that didn't end well :-(

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For all my other aircraft I have the same setting for both axis on the joystick and the rudder...

 

Saturation: Default

Deadzone: 15

Curve: 25

[SimFreak]

liner here.

 

Did anyone play with hysteresis settings?

 

or FF in windows setting?

[Haukka81]

My new settings are:

 

Forces default in dcs menu. No curves for stick.

 

Slight curve for pedals (10-15 feels great)

 

No dead zone stick/pedals.

 

Forces in logitech menu:

 

From top to down.

80%

45%

45%

 

Center spring off. (lowest setting)

 

Now its perfect , Trim works like it should and its easy to make small moves.

 

Really made difference, now i can fly much better and land roof tops etc.. :)

 

Next i will get stick extend about 5-10cm :)

[Noj]

Agree with P1KW - same method here - it's so much better for it.

 

Haukka, you mention the trimmer - I'm finding it seems to work as well with the UH-1 as it does with the Ka50. Very useful.

 

I do intend tweaking at some stage, but think it's best to get used to a base set-up first, for comparison. The main issue for me (which may or may not be G940 specific) is the swinging that tends to occur when descending at near-hover. Strange behavior, that.

[Grenadey]

Well I ended up extending the stick today and boy what a difference! It flies much more stable and is a joy to hover/taxi. Still can't quite nail that landing though.

 

If anyone hasn't extended their G940 yet I highly recommend it. It took me about 1hr including testing to get it just right.

 

Grenadey

[Haukka81]

Well I ended up extending the stick today and boy what a difference! It flies much more stable and is a joy to hover/taxi. Still can't quite nail that landing though.

 

If anyone hasn't extended their G940 yet I highly recommend it. It took me about 1hr including testing to get it just right.

 

Grenadey

 

 

How much you extend stick ? 10-20 cm ?? :thumbup:

 

Need to make that mod soon :joystick:

[Grenadey]

Well the base is on the floor now, not entirely sure how long it is... It doesn't look pretty but it does the job.

 

I'll post a pic soon.

[PeroperoDokkiri]

Hello I am about to get a new stick- is G940 precise? Is It precise enough with extended stick? Does it use hall sensors, or old style whatever these potentiometers are called?

[Haukka81]

Hello I am about to get a new stick- is G940 precise? Is It precise enough with extended stick? Does it use hall sensors, or old style whatever these potentiometers are called?

 

 

Hall sensors, very precise even without extension but there is small area in center where forces are "off" so that may or may not be anoying.

 

 

G940 is great hotas, for me :thumbup:

 

 

-haukka81