Is it realy done?

[Weta43]

I don't understand. Why are you showing me the dismembered carcass of a cockpit ?

[Sundowner.pl]

Because I want you to look at how the central pedestal is constructed, look aft and you'll see the blank panels, look in the middle and you'll see that the pedestal itself is just a frame to bolting on those panels. In the DCS:Huey it is a solid, look below the ADF or armament panel to understand what I mean - there are no panels there, neither functional, nor blank, so it would simply had to be a hole there.

 

Edited May 17, 2013 by Sundowner.pl

[Weta43]

Except that even a quick look at your photo lets you know the cockpit is in pieces...

 

(are you just pulling my leg ?)

 

Not in pieces, there are covers for the empty spaces :

Edited May 17, 2013 by Weta43

[Sundowner.pl]

Except that even a quick look at your photo lets you know the cockpit is in pieces...

It is partially disassembled, so it can show you that the central pedestal is only few L-beams drilled and tapped to accept the panels, not a single solid piece of material, like it is on the DCS:Huey currently.

 

Not in pieces, there are covers for the empty spaces :

Show me those covers in the DCS:Huey, there are no blank panels on the central pedestal, as I showed you on the screenshot.

[Weta43]

It's deliberately designed to allow flexibility in mounting equipment, and what's not used is just blanked off.

If the person doing the job is messy, it'll be done in little bits of metal patchworked together.

If they take pride, it'll be tidier, like so :

 

 

As you can see, the number and placement of securing screws is optional

[Sundowner.pl]

Two things:

 

1. those are not military aircraft cockpits, in those you need panels that are approved, certified, military stock number (like NSN, JIM etc.) given. In our case the blank 5.75" wide panels are only choice.

 

Like that NSN #5975-00-939-7622 (Bell #204-075-266-1):

 

2. all of those are fixed using the turnlock mount, all of them have those screws or rivets (ouch!) visible. DCS:Huey does not.

Edited May 17, 2013 by Sundowner.pl

[Robert1983NL]

LOL, this is unbelievable.

 

I can't imagine anyone giving a ****. This sim is so much better than you'll find anywhere... Why try to nitpick on totally insignificant things, normal people won't even notice.

[Jaximus Decimus]

Is this a flight simulator or an engineering simulator? How is this six pages?

[Sundowner.pl]

LOL, this is unbelievable.

 

I can't imagine anyone giving a ****. This sim is so much better than you'll find anywhere... Why try to nitpick on totally insignificant things, normal people won't even notice.

I'm in test group for a different company developing modules for flight sims. Since Belsimtek product cost is similar to the cost of products I test, I am expecting same attention to detail, and what I'm writing about here is not even what is considered a standard. Lets talk about the angle of the screws and turnlocks shall we ? :smilewink:

 

Or are you saying we should expect half-donkeyed products ?

 

Weta43 brought this on himself saying what I understood as looking for correct modeling inside, which as you can see is not the case. And people do give a ****.

[Robert1983NL]

The Huey is simply awesome. The best heli sim you'll find for the PC. It is EVERYTHING but half-donkeyed.

 

Only nutcases give a ****, in my honest opinion. Why would you even notice this nitpick crap? What purpose does it serve? It should be about how the model flies, how it reacts, how it handles. Not about which screws are missing or what parts are a couple millimeters too far apart.

 

THIS. IS. CRAZY.

 

And exactly as Jaximus says, this is not an engineering simulator lol.

[Lucas_From_Hell]

Only nutcases give a ****, in my honest opinion. Why would you even notice this nitpick crap? What purpose does it serve? It should be about how the model flies, how it reacts, how it handles. Not about which screws are missing or what parts are a couple millimeters too far apart.

 

I ought to disagree, nitpicking is what makes a simulator fully realistic. Flight models are indeed a very important part of a simulation but they are, by far, not the only thing that matters. A lot of people fly DCS more for the flight systems than for the flight model (otherwise we'd all be settled with Flaming Cliffs' Su-25A/T AFM)

 

Most of the time people don't go hunting for those things, they just notice them at random while admiring something. I find it very healthy that people give this kind of feedback, it makes the sim more immersive and life-like over time. The developers of DCS and DCS modules are aiming for a 100% accurate reproduction of those aircraft, not 99,997% or 99,9999%. Sometimes things like engine limitations or classified military information get in the way unfortunately, but there isn't much they can do about that. However, when it's a minor thing like a 3D-model issue, I'm sure they're pretty glad to fix it :)

[Feuerfalke]

And exactly as Jaximus says, this is not an engineering simulator lol.

 

Why do we want all systems modeled correctly, then?

 

Engineering is a part of flying modern aircraft. We want correct flightmodels, we want perfect systems-modeling and a convincing damage-modeling.

 

And from all of this, the correct 3D-Model should be the most basic thing to be correct.

 

If we wouldn't care about correct models, we'd all fly Crimson Skies IV instead.

[Sundowner.pl]

THIS. IS. CRAZY.

Welcome to computer flight simulations world, where all your senses except for sight and hearing, are cut out. Striving for progression is paying attention to details, every... single... one! Otherwise you're game would still look like this:

 

[Robert1983NL]

I ought to disagree, nitpicking is what makes a simulator fully realistic. Flight models are indeed a very important part of a simulation but they are, by far, not the only thing that matters. A lot of people fly DCS more for the flight systems than for the flight model (otherwise we'd all be settled with Flaming Cliffs' Su-25A/T AFM)

 

Most of the time people don't go hunting for those things, they just notice them at random while admiring something. I find it very healthy that people give this kind of feedback, it makes the sim more immersive and life-like over time. The developers of DCS and DCS modules are aiming for a 100% accurate reproduction of those aircraft, not 99,997% or 99,9999%. Sometimes things like engine limitations or classified military information get in the way unfortunately, but there isn't much they can do about that. However, when it's a minor thing like a 3D-model issue, I'm sure they're pretty glad to fix it :)

 

Well you see, thats the thing. I think its really unhealthy to be nitpicking like that. There are so many better ways to spend your time than this... It really amazes me people notice these tiny useless details. The model is way more detailed (outside at least) than a real life simulator for instance. And a real life pilot wouldn't even notice the things brought up in this thread, because it's simply totally irrelevant. Even if a pilot has 1000 hours on an airframe, he'll still notice new things and discover new things he or she has never seen before. It's a waste of time to go over every little detail with a magnifying glass and I do have to say I feel some pity for people who actually spend their time like that.

[dahui]

The Huey is simply awesome. The best heli sim you'll find for the PC. It is EVERYTHING but half-donkeyed.

 

Only nutcases give a ****, in my honest opinion. Why would you even notice this nitpick crap? What purpose does it serve? It should be about how the model flies, how it reacts, how it handles. Not about which screws are missing or what parts are a couple millimeters too far apart.

 

THIS. IS. CRAZY.

 

And exactly as Jaximus says, this is not an engineering simulator lol.

 

Well... there are a few points: 50 bucks for the Sim.... A Name -DCS- who earned a lot of positive feedback for the best systems and Effects..

 

And then, there is something that stands in the same line, with DCS, Belsimtek and UH1D HUEY, when you hit "ORDER": BETA! so, all who buy the PreOrder BETA are able to NITPICKING, FREAK OUT, Tell everyone here, that this and this is not good, or its good, or its crap... But more important they should say WHY ;) And they do it... see the example Pics etc.

 

;)

 

Sundowner, well... we do panels like this our selfes... ;)

[Sundowner.pl]

I think its really unhealthy to be nitpicking like that. There are so many better ways to spend your time than this...

I'm not even looking for errors, that's Belsimtek testers team job, not mine (I do this kind of thing for other developer), but after researching aircraft like this for a few years, you notice things, and really, really fast. Ever did anything to your Chinook, and noticed how fast the crew chief got it ? Similar forces at play here. :thumbup:

 

Sundowner, well... we do panels like this our selfes... ;)

Hahaha, if we ever meet we can discuss such practices - before graduation I did my "practice" in a maintenance hangar in Polish Navy Air Base :thumbup: Huey is a puny little helicopter, lets talk the big iron, that weigh 9+ metric tons before the fuel truck arrives :smilewink:

[Robert1983NL]

Well... there are a few points: 50 bucks for the Sim.... A Name -DCS- who earned a lot of positive feedback for the best systems and Effects..

 

And then, there is something that stands in the same line, with DCS, Belsimtek and UH1D HUEY, when you hit "ORDER": BETA! so, all who buy the PreOrder BETA are able to NITPICKING, FREAK OUT, Tell everyone here, that this and this is not good, or its good, or its crap... But more important they should say WHY ;) And they do it... see the example Pics etc.

 

;)

 

Sundowner, well... we do panels like this our selfes... ;)

 

50 Bucks for a sim that's probably better than the model and graphics in a REAL LIFE SIMULATOR. Sweet deal I'd say!

 

Beta or no beta, it's litterally sick to be searching and noticing these details. People should worry more about the bigger things that actually affect flight.

[Robert1983NL]

I'm not even looking for errors, that's Belsimtek testers team job, not mine (I do this kind of thing for other developer), but after researching aircraft like this for a few years, you notice things, and really, really fast. Ever did anything to your Chinook, and noticed how fast the crew chief got it ? Similar forces at play here. :thumbup:

 

Hahaha, if we ever meet we can discuss such practices - before graduation I did my "practice" in a maintenance hangar in Polish Navy Air Base :thumbup: Huey is a puny little helicopter, lets talk the big iron, that weigh 9+ metric tons before the fuel truck arrives :smilewink:

 

Theres many things aircrews wont notice. You cant know the size shape and location of every detail. You simply cant. Also, theres a difference between helicopters of the same type as well ofcourse.

[dahui]

Hahaha, if we ever meet we can discuss such practices - before graduation I did my "practice" in a maintenance hangar in Polish Navy Air Base :thumbup: Huey is a puny little helicopter, lets talk the big iron, that weigh 9+ metric tons before the fuel truck arrives :smilewink:

 

 

I have no idea from Hueys... we had one on the Airfield, but it crashed a few months ago here in Switzerland... it was a beautifull machine :/

 

I was able to fly with it in the back seat.

 

I was talking about Panels for Avionics etc ;) not the whole Instrument Panel :D

[Robert1983NL]

Welcome to computer flight simulations world, where all your senses except for sight and hearing, are cut out. Striving for progression is paying attention to details, every... single... one! Otherwise you're game would still look like this:

 

You know yourself that this is total bullshit.

 

As is playing Crimson Skies IV, whatever that is.

 

Some people should come to understand that there's a difference between a pathological nitpicker and a normal person. A normal person won't bother to look at all those details real aircrew wouldn't notice IRL anyway. It's a waste of braincells, waste of time, waste of life etc. Why don't those nitpicking people worry more about the bigger improvements to be made possible in DCS? Like... For instance weather effects... Or ATC...

 

Instead of counting rivets.

 

Come on.

[cichlidfan]

This thread is heading in an unfortunate direction.

[Robert1983NL]

Doesn't matter, this thread is useless anyway.

[Feuerfalke]

Why don't those nitpicking people worry more about the bigger improvements to be made possible in DCS? Like... For instance weather effects... Or ATC...

 

Instead of counting rivets.

 

Come on.

 

Because Belsimtek made a helo-addon, not a weather or ATC-addon.

 

If somebody did, you can bet they'll get feedback on their work as well.

[Sundowner.pl]

Some people should come to understand that there's a difference between a pathological nitpicker and a normal person. A normal person won't bother to look at all those details real aircrew wouldn't notice IRL anyway. It's a waste of braincells, waste of time, waste of life etc. Why don't those nitpicking people worry more about the bigger improvements to be made possible in DCS? Like... For instance weather effects... Or ATC...

 

Instead of counting rivets.

 

Come on.

I don't like your attitude Robert. And I don't think you even know what nitpicking can be with that kind of products. And apart from that, you don't understand how the whole thing works - requiring Belsimtek to work on ATC ? Weather ? Are you serious ? What they have to do with the core mechanics of DCS ? They are developing the UH-1, nothing more, nothing less.

 

I require true representation of function, this includes the modular nature of both pedestal, and overhead panel, lack of it cough my eye, and I called on that, and you call me a pathological nitpicker ? Seriously dude, you need to calm the **** down.

[Robert1983NL]

Yeah but why would someone (as a figure of speech) start counting rivets and complaining it's not exactly like the reak thing? That's just pathetic. The Belsimtek Huey is absolutely brilliantly modelled. The nitpicking is beyond all sanity. If you want to complain about the Huey, complain about the settling with power. Not the number of rivets. If you like details so much, I suggest masturbating on photo's. In DCS, just fly the damn thing and enjoy doing so.