Nopileus Posted June 6, 2013 Share Posted June 6, 2013 (edited) I am not sure if this is a bug or if you even have the means of changing this, but i will report it anyway. Flying the night mission in the campaign i have found that it is impossible to read most of the cockpit gauges while using night vision goggles. Both lit and unlit gauges appear very dark, almost pitch black. This happens with both standard and modded NVGs, and does not happen in both Ka-50 and A-10C. Edited June 6, 2013 by Nopileus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphaOneSix Posted June 6, 2013 Share Posted June 6, 2013 Flying the night mission in the campaign i have found that it is impossible to read most of the cockpit gauges while using night vision goggles. Just like in real life! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nopileus Posted June 6, 2013 Author Share Posted June 6, 2013 Cheers, that'll do as an answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert1983NL Posted June 6, 2013 Share Posted June 6, 2013 Actually, in real life the instruments would be unsharp and bright when looking through your goggles. You can't read then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimeKilla Posted June 6, 2013 Share Posted June 6, 2013 Just like in real life! +1 :thumbup: Used them in real life never liked them that much once you get over the wow factor. :thumbup: :joystick: YouTube :pilotfly: TimeKilla on Flight Sims over at YouTube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert1983NL Posted June 6, 2013 Share Posted June 6, 2013 Why not like NVG's? They're essential for flying at night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nopileus Posted June 6, 2013 Author Share Posted June 6, 2013 This is how it looks by the way, same effect with unmodded NVGs. I just don't understand why they seem completely dark and not blindingly bright. Note the non-working lights on some gauges, this is a known bug AFAIK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundowner.pl Posted June 6, 2013 Share Posted June 6, 2013 The back-light of the instrument panel doesn't work, so the instruments are only readable with NVGs when you turn on the white dome light... in reality with that light on, everything inside of the cockpit would be a bright blob. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] "If a place needs helicopters, it's probably not worth visiting." - Nick Lappos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
todd022 Posted June 6, 2013 Share Posted June 6, 2013 turn off the dome light (even the green one), and you can read the instruments under NVGs...that's how I've been doing it. [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert1983NL Posted June 6, 2013 Share Posted June 6, 2013 IRL you wouldn't be able to read the instruments, because the goggles should be focused to infinity. That makes the instruments unsharp. That screenshot really looks wrong yeah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundowner.pl Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 (edited) Except for compass, non of the gauges are really illuminated so they appear as black holes under NVGs in current build. To work around that with our current build we have to fly with the white dome light on. Still quite far from the real thing Wonder when newer build will be released, as instrument illumination was shows even before the pre-release. Edited June 7, 2013 by Sundowner.pl [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] "If a place needs helicopters, it's probably not worth visiting." - Nick Lappos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heloguy Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 Instruments should be unreadable through the NVGs if focused correctly. That's why they aren't supposed to be right up against your face, so you can look under them to see the instruments. i9 12900k @ 4.9ghz, 32gb RAM Nvidia RTX 3090 Windows 11 x64 Pimax Crystal VP Force Rhino w/RS F16GRH, Virpil TCS Rotor Plus AH-64 Collective, BRD F1 Pedals, WH Throttle, FSSB R3 w/WH Grip, PointCTRL v2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
todd022 Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 This is what I am getting with NO dome light (instruments/console are illuminated)...seems to be the most realistic solution for the time being. Here is with the white dome light on, works too...but just doesn't satisfy my realism needs. I also fine tune the NVG contrast with a switch on my HOTAS. [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert1983NL Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 Todd, that last pic actually isnt that unrealistic. Adjusting contrast on your goggles IS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upuaut Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 Hi, the illumination of the instruments is not working. Have a look at http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=105014 DCS Mods and Skins: HiDrive Use the NAS only if the other Link is not working - it's slow! My DCS MODs and Skins: NAS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
todd022 Posted June 8, 2013 Share Posted June 8, 2013 Todd, that last pic actually isnt that unrealistic. Adjusting contrast on your goggles IS! no kidding? I don't know about the aviation-grade ones, but our ground-pounder monoculars could adjust gain and brightness. well dang, guess, i'll have to quit with that. [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundowner.pl Posted June 8, 2013 Share Posted June 8, 2013 (edited) The aviation goggles (talking about AN/PVS-6 and AN/PVS-9)are meant to be hands-off devices, so the brightness gain is adjusted automatically. There is no such functionality in DCS, so we have to do it manually. On the other hand, we can't adjust focus in the sim, and this can be adjusted on the real devices... not that there is any need currently in the game, as we can see everything clearly. Here's AN/PVS-9 with a distant storm, you can see the flash protection somewhat working, that's actually a function that is developed constantly because of the high inertia of the system - still can't respond and drop the voltage quickly enough, maybe this will be fixed with superconductive currently being developed. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmaaMFH3eAw Edited June 8, 2013 by Sundowner.pl [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] "If a place needs helicopters, it's probably not worth visiting." - Nick Lappos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert1983NL Posted June 8, 2013 Share Posted June 8, 2013 There wouldn't be a reason to adjust focus in DCS, because that's not what you'd do irl either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heloguy Posted June 8, 2013 Share Posted June 8, 2013 There wouldn't be a reason to adjust focus in DCS, because that's not what you'd do irl either. Actually, you do adjust focus IRL when you first put them on. You just wouldn't adjust focus after that unless it was not done correctly in the first place. The above pictures with the dome light off where the instruments are easy to read are completely unrealistic. The dome light on pic is much more representative of what it looks IRL. I have about 600 NVG hours in helos, so I'm speaking from experience, not just trying to say harder is more realistic. 1 i9 12900k @ 4.9ghz, 32gb RAM Nvidia RTX 3090 Windows 11 x64 Pimax Crystal VP Force Rhino w/RS F16GRH, Virpil TCS Rotor Plus AH-64 Collective, BRD F1 Pedals, WH Throttle, FSSB R3 w/WH Grip, PointCTRL v2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nopileus Posted June 8, 2013 Author Share Posted June 8, 2013 I think we can conclude that the reason for this is improper instrument lighting. The current way may look good, but is by no means functional. I hope Belsimtek reads this and improves on it accordingly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heloguy Posted June 8, 2013 Share Posted June 8, 2013 I think we can conclude that the reason for this is improper instrument lighting. The current way may look good, but is by no means functional. I hope Belsimtek reads this and improves on it accordingly. What do you mean by not functional? i9 12900k @ 4.9ghz, 32gb RAM Nvidia RTX 3090 Windows 11 x64 Pimax Crystal VP Force Rhino w/RS F16GRH, Virpil TCS Rotor Plus AH-64 Collective, BRD F1 Pedals, WH Throttle, FSSB R3 w/WH Grip, PointCTRL v2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nopileus Posted June 8, 2013 Author Share Posted June 8, 2013 The instrument lighting only creates a little glow around the instruments but doesn't actually illuminate them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heloguy Posted June 8, 2013 Share Posted June 8, 2013 I guess I need to go back and mess with it (moving, and just had to pack up my SIM computer). Yeah, gauges need to be visible when looking underneath the goggles, but unreadable through the goggles. i9 12900k @ 4.9ghz, 32gb RAM Nvidia RTX 3090 Windows 11 x64 Pimax Crystal VP Force Rhino w/RS F16GRH, Virpil TCS Rotor Plus AH-64 Collective, BRD F1 Pedals, WH Throttle, FSSB R3 w/WH Grip, PointCTRL v2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert1983NL Posted June 8, 2013 Share Posted June 8, 2013 Actually, you do adjust focus IRL when you first put them on. You just wouldn't adjust focus after that unless it was not done correctly in the first place. The above pictures with the dome light off where the instruments are easy to read are completely unrealistic. The dome light on pic is much more representative of what it looks IRL. I have about 600 NVG hours in helos, so I'm speaking from experience, not just trying to say harder is more realistic. I know, but you focus your goggles before you get in the aircraft usually, that's why I said it's useless in DCS, also, the focus should be set for infinity, so there's no reason to change that in DCS. I know what it looks like IRL :) I have around 300 NVG hours, if I'm to take a wild guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphaOneSix Posted June 8, 2013 Share Posted June 8, 2013 850! But I'm not a pilot so naturally my experience doesn't count. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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