Bisch Posted August 9, 2013 Share Posted August 9, 2013 Hey there, I bought BS, BS2 and A10C, FC1+2 long time ago. Didn't play much except BS1 (played with modified MS SW2 Stick) because I bought the Logitech G940 and ran into so many troubles which didn't solve after several FW updates and new gaming software versions. Now I stumbled across DCS World in Steam and Id like to active my ED-related keys in Steam and give it another try. I know this is still a topic being worked on by ED. Maybe I ll install the regular versions and give the G940 another try (although I doubt he ll make it). I. I was looking for a AI vehicle/plane list for DCS World but couldn't find any. Especially because I'd like to know which planes I could fly against with a P51. Looks like at least one AI plane from that time made it into DCS (the FW190). Could someone point me to a master vehicle list for the recent DCS World Version? II. If I ll buy FC3, I can play the (more basic) planes of FC3 in DCS World, right? FC1+2 wont help me? Do I also need my old LOMAC key? That could be troublesome as I have problems retrieving some of the old ED-related keys. III. If I see it right, there's no playable modern "A2A-plane"/Interceptor in DCS, right? IV. Last question: AFAIK one of the IL2 devs is creating a WW II sim based on DCS. Will this sim be a module(s) for DCS World or a standalone product? Win 10 Pro | Trustmaster Warthog | MFG Rudders | VivePro Wireless Gear Lens modded | 1080ti OC Asus | 32 GB DD4 RAM | i7 9700 | Razer Chroma Orbweaver Keypad | Corsair KB | Derek Switchbox | USB Keypad | Logitech 502 | Jetseat with SimShaker Software | TrackIR5 | Autotkey | Thrustmaster Cougar MFDs | Monstertech Mounts | Saitek Throttle Quadrant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exorcet Posted August 9, 2013 Share Posted August 9, 2013 I. I was looking for a AI vehicle/plane list for DCS World but couldn't find any. Especially because I'd like to know which planes I could fly against with a P51. Looks like at least one AI plane from that time made it into DCS (the FW190). Could someone point me to a master vehicle list for the recent DCS World Version? The Fw-190 and P-51 are currently the only WWII aircraft, but ED has expressed a desire to add more. II. If I ll buy FC3, I can play the (more basic) planes of FC3 in DCS World, right? FC1+2 wont help me? Do I also need my old LOMAC key? That could be troublesome as I have problems retrieving some of the old ED-related keys. FC3 works in DCSW. You need either LOMAC installed, FC1 installed, or FC2 installed to install FC3. Or you can buy standalone FC3 modules without using any previous software (currently A-10A and Su-25 only). III. If I see it right, there's no playable modern "A2A-plane"/Interceptor in DCS, right? The only playable fighters at this point are the FC3 planes. The F-15 and Su-27 are being updated to AFM and then possibly further down to full DCS. ED's next module is the F/A-18C, which will be full DCS. There is also a third party MiG-21 that is nearing completion. IV. Last question: AFAIK one of the IL2 devs is creating a WW II sim based on DCS. Will this sim be a module(s) for DCS World or a standalone product? They plan an announcement in September. I'm pretty sure it will integrate into DCSW. 1 Awaiting: DCS F-15C Win 10 i5-9600KF 4.6 GHz 64 GB RAM RTX2080Ti 11GB -- Win 7 64 i5-6600K 3.6 GHz 32 GB RAM GTX970 4GB -- A-10C, F-5E, Su-27, F-15C, F-14B, F-16C missions in User Files Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver_Dragon Posted August 9, 2013 Share Posted August 9, 2013 I. I was looking for a AI vehicle/plane list for DCS World but couldn't find any. Especially because I'd like to know which planes I could fly against with a P51. Looks like at least one AI plane from that time made it into DCS (the FW190). Could someone point me to a master vehicle list for the recent DCS World Version? Complete list: IA Aircrafts A-10A A-10C B-1B B-52H C-130 C-17A E-2D E-3A F-117A F-14A F-15A F-15E F-16A F-16A MLU F-16C Blk52d F-4E F-5E F/A-18C FW-190D-9 KC-135 Mig-29G Mirage 2000-5 MQ-1A Predator P-51D S-3B S-3B Tanker Tornado IDS Tornado GR.4 A-50 An-26B An-30M IL-76MD IL-78M L-39ZA Mig-23MLD Mig-25PD Mig-25RBT Mig-27K Mig-29A Mig-29S Mig-31 Su-17M4 Su-24M Su-24MR Su-25A Su-25T Su-25TM Su-27 Su-30 Su-33 Su-34 Tu-142 Tu-160 Tu-22M3 Tu-95MS Yak-40 IA Helicopters UH-1W AH-64A AH-64D CH-47D CH-53E OH-58D SH-60B UH-1H UH-60A Ka-27 Ka-50 Mi-24V Mi-26 Mi-28N MI-8MTv2 IA Ships Armed Speedboat CG-60 Normandy CVN-70 Carl Vinson FFG-7 O.H. Perry Bulk Cargo ship Yakusev CG 1174 Mskva CGN 1144.2 Pyotr Velikly CV 1143.5 Admiral Kutnesov Civil boat Zvezdny Dry cargo ship Ivanov FF 1135M Rezky FFG 11540 Neustrashimy FFL 1124.4 Grisha FSG 1141.1MP Molniya SSK 641B SSK 877 Tanker Elinya 160 IA Vehicles Air Defense AAA Vulcan M163 SAM Avenger M1097 SAM Chaparral M48 SAM Hawk LN M192 SAM Hawk SR AN/SPQ-50 SAM Hawk TR AN/MPQ-46 SAM Linebacker M6 SAM Patriot AMG AN/MRC-137 SAM Patriot ECS AN/MPQ-104 SAM Patriot EPP III SAM Patriot LN M-901 SAM Patriot STR AN/MPQ-53 SAM Roland ADS SAM Roland EWR SAM Stinger MANSPAD SAM Stinger Coms SPAAA Gepard AAA ZU-23 Closed AAA ZU-23 Emplacement AAA ZU-23 on Ural-375 CP 9S80M1 Sborka EWR 1L13 EWR 55G6 SAM SA-10 S-300PS CP 54K6 SAM SA-10 S-300PS LN 5P85C SAM SA-10 S-300PS LN 5P85D SAM SA-10 S-300PS SR 5N66M SAM SA-10 S-300PS SR 64H6E SAM SA-10 S-300PS TR 30N6 SAM SA-11 Buk CC 9S470M1 SAM SA-11 Buk LN 9A310M1 SAM SA-11 Buk SR 9R18M1 SAM SA-13 Strela-10M3 9A35M3 SAM SA-15 Tor 9A331 SAM SA-18 Igla-S MANPADS SAM SA-18 Igla-S Comms SAM SA-19 Tunguska 2S6 SAM SA-3 S-125 LN 5P73 SAM SA-3 S-125 SR P-19 SAM SA-3 S-125 TR SNR SAM SA-6 Kub LN 2P25 SAM SA-6 Kub STR 9S91 SAM SA-8 Osa 9A33 SAM SA-9 Strela-1 9P31 SPAAA ZSU-23-4 Shilka Armour APC LVTP-7 APC M1043 HMMWV Armament APC M1126 Stryker ICV APC M113 APC TPZ ATGM M1045 HMMWV TOW ATGM M1134 Stryker IFV LAV-25 IFV M2A2 Bradley IFV Marder IFV MCV-80 MBT M1A2 Abrams MBT Leopard 1A3 MBT Leclerc MBT Leopard-2 MBT M-60A3 Patton MBT Challenger 2 SPG M1128 Stryker APC BTR-80 APC MTLB ARV BRMD-2 ARV BTR-RD ARV MTLB-U BOMAN IFV BMD-1 IFV BMP-1 IFV BMP-2 IFV BMP-3 MBT T-55 MBT T-72B MBT T-80U MBT T-90 Artillery MLRS M270 SPH M109 Paladin 2B11 Mortar MLRS 9A52 Smerch MLRS B-21 Grad SPH 2S1 Gvozdika SPH 2S19 Msta SPH 2S3 Akatsia SPH 2S9 Nona Fortifications Armed House Barracks Armed Bunker 1 Bunker 2 Outpost Road Outpost Watch Tower Armed Infantry Infantry M249 Infantry M4 Infantry Soldier Rus Paratrooper AKS Paratrooper RPG-16 Infantry AK Infantry RPG Unarmed APC M1025 HMMWV CP Predator GCS CP Predator TrojanSpirit HEMTT TFFT Tanker M978 HEMTT Transpor M818 CP SKP-11 ATC Mobile Command Post CP Ural-375 PBU Fuel Truck ATMZ-5 Fuel Truck ATZ-10 GPU APA-50 on Ural-375 GPU APA-80 on ZIL-131 Transport GAZ-3307 Transport GAZ-3308 Transport GAZ-66 Transport IKARUS-280 Transport KAZAM-43101 Transport LAZ-695 Transport MAZ-6303 Transport UAZ-469 Transport UAZ-375 Transport UAZ-4320-31 Armored Transport UAZ-4321 Transport VAZ-2109 Transport ZIL-131 KUNG Transport ZIL-4331 Transport ZIL-9 Transport Fire Engine Ural ATsP-6 II. If I ll buy FC3, I can play the (more basic) planes of FC3 in DCS World, right? FC1+2 wont help me? Do I also need my old LOMAC key? That could be troublesome as I have problems retrieving some of the old ED-related keys. FC-3 get all FC-1/2 aircraft plus F-15C. You need install LOMAC / FC-1 or 2 to install FC-3 (by Ubi request), except you purchase separate FC-3 modules, but LOMAC / FC-1/-2 dont work over DCS: World. III. If I see it right, there's no playable modern "A2A-plane"/Interceptor in DCS, right? You have F-15C / Su-27 / Su-33 / Mig-25A/G/S to A2A. IV. Last question: AFAIK one of the IL2 devs is creating a WW II sim based on DCS. Will this sim be a module(s) for DCS World or a standalone product? You need to September 1st to official news. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
159th_Falcon Posted August 9, 2013 Share Posted August 9, 2013 Great post, surely you meant MIG-29 instead of MIG-25 as player flyable aircraft though.:thumbup: [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] The keeper of all mathematical knowledge and the oracle of flight modeling.:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bisch Posted August 9, 2013 Author Share Posted August 9, 2013 Thanks Exorcet and Silver Dragon for the very detailed information! So I even need the old LockOn. :/ I only have FC2 Key. For FC1 I only have the order number in an old email. Both have been bought from the "the fighter collection" page and I cant look up the old CD key for FC1. When it comes to LockOn, I dont even remeber anymore where I have bought it digitally :( But I still have some time as FC3 is too expensive to me right now. Id only buy it full price with a new computer, new stick and some buddys to play with. So Im going to try out the things for free and the things I own. Win 10 Pro | Trustmaster Warthog | MFG Rudders | VivePro Wireless Gear Lens modded | 1080ti OC Asus | 32 GB DD4 RAM | i7 9700 | Razer Chroma Orbweaver Keypad | Corsair KB | Derek Switchbox | USB Keypad | Logitech 502 | Jetseat with SimShaker Software | TrackIR5 | Autotkey | Thrustmaster Cougar MFDs | Monstertech Mounts | Saitek Throttle Quadrant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishbreath Posted August 9, 2013 Share Posted August 9, 2013 Thanks Exorcet and Silver Dragon for the very detailed information! So I even need the old LockOn. :/ I only have FC2 Key. For FC1 I only have the order number in an old email. Both have been bought from the "the fighter collection" page and I cant look up the old CD key for FC1. When it comes to LockOn, I dont even remeber anymore where I have bought it digitally :( But I still have some time as FC3 is too expensive to me right now. Id only buy it full price with a new computer, new stick and some buddys to play with. So Im going to try out the things for free and the things I own. Don't forget that the non-clickable 3D cockpit/advanced flight model F-15 and Flanker are in the pipeline, so you could snag one of those for the $15 price point when they're released, rather than spending for LOMAC and FC3. Black Shark, Harrier, and Hornet pilot Many Words - Serial Fiction | Ka-50 Employment Guide | Ka-50 Avionics Cheat Sheet | Multiplayer Shooting Range Mission Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bisch Posted August 9, 2013 Author Share Posted August 9, 2013 Thanks Fishbreath! Im still a bit confused though The shop says concerning FC3: Lock On: Flaming Cliffs 3 will require an installation of Lock On: Modern Air Combat or previous version Flaming Cliffs. "OR" does mean to me my FC2 should be enough for FC3 to install. But will I be able to install FC2 without Lockon? Or is FC3 just asking for my FC2 key? Win 10 Pro | Trustmaster Warthog | MFG Rudders | VivePro Wireless Gear Lens modded | 1080ti OC Asus | 32 GB DD4 RAM | i7 9700 | Razer Chroma Orbweaver Keypad | Corsair KB | Derek Switchbox | USB Keypad | Logitech 502 | Jetseat with SimShaker Software | TrackIR5 | Autotkey | Thrustmaster Cougar MFDs | Monstertech Mounts | Saitek Throttle Quadrant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exorcet Posted August 9, 2013 Share Posted August 9, 2013 FC3 looks for previous installs and not keys. So to use FC2 to validate FC3, FC2 must be installed. FC2 requires LOMAC or FC1, etc. So in your case, if you don't have anything installed, you'll need LOMAC. However ED was finally able to get around this by selling the FC3 aircraft standalone. You can buy these without previous software. A-10A and Su-25 are for sale now. F-15 and Su-27 are coming later, possibly this year if I remember right. Awaiting: DCS F-15C Win 10 i5-9600KF 4.6 GHz 64 GB RAM RTX2080Ti 11GB -- Win 7 64 i5-6600K 3.6 GHz 32 GB RAM GTX970 4GB -- A-10C, F-5E, Su-27, F-15C, F-14B, F-16C missions in User Files Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bisch Posted August 9, 2013 Author Share Posted August 9, 2013 ...FC2 requires LOMAC or FC1... "or FC1"? but FC1 requires also Lomac, right :smilewink: (however, the orders history of the lockon-shop only presents my FC2 key and FC1 is just mentioned as "older order" :mad::mad::mad:) Win 10 Pro | Trustmaster Warthog | MFG Rudders | VivePro Wireless Gear Lens modded | 1080ti OC Asus | 32 GB DD4 RAM | i7 9700 | Razer Chroma Orbweaver Keypad | Corsair KB | Derek Switchbox | USB Keypad | Logitech 502 | Jetseat with SimShaker Software | TrackIR5 | Autotkey | Thrustmaster Cougar MFDs | Monstertech Mounts | Saitek Throttle Quadrant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishbreath Posted August 9, 2013 Share Posted August 9, 2013 "or FC1"? but FC1 requires also Lomac, right :smilewink: Right—you have to have some product installed that either is or can be traced back to LOMAC. I'm not bothering, personally—if I want a fast-mover before DCS F/A-18C, I'll just wait for the Eagle/Flanker standalone. :P Black Shark, Harrier, and Hornet pilot Many Words - Serial Fiction | Ka-50 Employment Guide | Ka-50 Avionics Cheat Sheet | Multiplayer Shooting Range Mission Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bisch Posted August 9, 2013 Author Share Posted August 9, 2013 Sounds like a plan fishbreath! However, the Eagle and Flanker standalones with be sold seperately I guess and they will 100% equal to the FC3 models (guessing too). That brings me close to the price of FC3. Side question: The Su25 FC Version is sold as DLC on Steam but the A-10A isn't. Is there any reason for it? (just asking, Im not interessted for now as the T model is in DCSW and I already bought the A-10C... especially as long as I cant use my keys in Steam) Win 10 Pro | Trustmaster Warthog | MFG Rudders | VivePro Wireless Gear Lens modded | 1080ti OC Asus | 32 GB DD4 RAM | i7 9700 | Razer Chroma Orbweaver Keypad | Corsair KB | Derek Switchbox | USB Keypad | Logitech 502 | Jetseat with SimShaker Software | TrackIR5 | Autotkey | Thrustmaster Cougar MFDs | Monstertech Mounts | Saitek Throttle Quadrant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flanker47 Posted August 10, 2013 Share Posted August 10, 2013 Sounds like a plan fishbreath! However, the Eagle and Flanker standalones with be sold seperately I guess and they will 100% equal to the FC3 models (guessing too). That brings me close to the price of FC3. Side question: The Su25 FC Version is sold as DLC on Steam but the A-10A isn't. Is there any reason for it? (just asking, Im not interessted for now as the T model is in DCSW and I already bought the A-10C... especially as long as I cant use my keys in Steam) A-10A: DCS Flaming Cliffs is coming to Steam on 16 August 2013.:thumbup: http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=111281 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bisch Posted August 12, 2013 Author Share Posted August 12, 2013 A-10A: DCS Flaming Cliffs is coming to Steam on 16 August 2013.:thumbup: http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=111281 :thumbup: Win 10 Pro | Trustmaster Warthog | MFG Rudders | VivePro Wireless Gear Lens modded | 1080ti OC Asus | 32 GB DD4 RAM | i7 9700 | Razer Chroma Orbweaver Keypad | Corsair KB | Derek Switchbox | USB Keypad | Logitech 502 | Jetseat with SimShaker Software | TrackIR5 | Autotkey | Thrustmaster Cougar MFDs | Monstertech Mounts | Saitek Throttle Quadrant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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