Interesting SU-25T Factoid...

[Goob]

http://www.faqs.org/docs/air/avsu25.html

 

The Su-25 was also sometimes fitted with cannon pods containing a twin-barrelled NR-23 23 millimeter cannon, with 260 rounds per pod and the ability to pivot the cannon 30 degrees down from the aircraft centerline. The pod could be mounted backwards to provide covering fire as the Su-25 left the target area, discouraging the Mujahedin habit of popping up out of hiding and fire on the aircraft from the rear. Reports indicate that the cannon pods were often mounted with one firing forward and another firing backward.

 

Food for thought...

[Maximus_G]

According to this source (in russian):

"The (airplane) prototypes were used in researching the ability of firing in the backwards direction. This feature allowed to strike the target and then - strike its air defences firing at the attacking plane while exiting attack, all in one attack run.

 

During experiments, S-8 rockets (in B-8 pods) and SPPU-22-01 gun pods mounted backwards (able to pivot their guns to 23 deg. down) were used on T-8-10 prototype.

 

The basic problems were maintaining rocket's stability on its motion through 0-speed path section, and creation of a reliable gun-control algorythm (while firing backwards).

 

After the trials, these variants of armament weren't put into operation."

[juan_mol]

Imagine this:

You are cruising in your 25T en route to the target area. All of a sudden an enemy aircraft sneaks on your six and prepares to shoot you down with his cannon.

Then BOOOOOM

The enemy airplane bursts into flames and crashes.

Thos backward firing cannons don't sound so bad now don't they.:icon_supe

 

Of course backwards firing cannons are not practical. How the hell are you going to aim them.:rolleyes:

[upyr1]

a backwards facing camera?

[GGTharos]

Wouldn't help much - the attacking aircraft would just attack from an offset angle, probably helping the attack out, since it would be forced to shoot a target with a larger profile instead of a tail-on target ;)

 

And, what will the 25 do then? Try to turn its tail to the pursuer, and maybe eat a heater for its trouble?

[zaelu]

Now, maybe I'm thinking to simplistic but,

 

weren't the WW2 bombers fitted with back fireing cannons? Some of the big planes in this game have that too...

 

a radar to track targets behind the airplane... very small, like the one on the phoenix missile?

 

Tunguska has guns that are aiming with the help of an radar isn't it? Some automation in it maybe also...

 

Is that hard to do? one automatic single gun turet radar aided? You need just an screen panel to see what the gun has in the lock... to avoid a friendly. I think any Su25T pilot would like to try this ideea when something not so friendly happens to hang in his six and he has to do fancy stuff to stay alive.

 

And about the missile... isnt more easily to put 2 missiles under the tip of the wings in normal position and with normal use, but when needed just turn them outwards 90 degrees and... fire... They will have to make a 90 degrees turn to the back to get the target in sight (this can be done automaticaly by radio control).

 

The turn could aid at stabilizing the trajectory and also one of the missile would probabily have to make a shorten flight/turn cause the enemy woud be normaly to 5 or 7 and not directly in the 6.

 

And maybe the gun would be good at shooting missiles down :P .

 

Maybe a crazy ideea but if you find yourself in the bag... you will try it.

[GGTharos]

This backward firing missile stuff has been tried, and I haven't seen it implemented anywhere yet ... as for the guided guns, there's a reason why they're mounte don big planes, and not small ones ;)

[Force_Feedback]

*Cough*, Il-102, *cough*

[Groove]

The newest Sukhoi jets have backward shoot capability afaik

[juan_mol]

Wouldn't help much - the attacking aircraft would just attack from an offset angle, probably helping the attack out, since it would be forced to shoot a target with a larger profile instead of a tail-on target ;)

 

And, what will the 25 do then? Try to turn its tail to the pursuer, and maybe eat a heater for its trouble?

 

You could install cannons at 45 degrees. Or just to be sure why not install cannons all around the aircraft. Just pull the trigger and you are bound to hit something

 

Just thinking outside the box. Although I think I strayed to far from the box. :rolleyes:

[Force_Feedback]

Just thinking outside the box. Although I think I strayed to far from the box. :rolleyes:

 

Yes, if your goal is to hit sh*t, then you're far outside the box, and perhaps reasoning like a stoner.

 

The Il-102 has a cannon in the tail, it even got a gunner (don't sure about that, maybe they replaced him with a targetting system in some later prototype version)

 

The R-73E2M or something like that can be used with or withour rear facing radar, but, without a radar it would be less effective I guess.

Lol, if missile developments continue this way, we won't be having modern combat flight sims, as A2A will be just plain boring, and depending on the first shot capability.

[britgliderpilot]

*Cough*, Il-102, *cough*

 

You know, there's a good reason why they didn't put that jet into production ;)

[Caretaker]

Indeed, and the reason is that plane was just too ugly! ;)

[Force_Feedback]

Guys, guys, it was due to the size of the Big ****ing Gun (BFG) on that thing, they were thinking size didn't matter ;)

[Guest EVIL-SCOTSMAN]

Yes, if your goal is to hit sh*t, then you're far outside the box, .

 

 

LMFAO :D :D