TrackIR change in 1.2.6

[Lange_666]

DCS 1.2.6. in windows mode, same problem.

[_Dredd]

One thing that I found in interesting slightly off topic, was turning anisotropic off in nvidia control settings, made the terrain look horrible almost like low scenes.

 

Anyway back on topic

 

Windowed mode, no change.

I even played around with view.lua values, minor change.

I changed nearly every value, and saw no change, as soon as you are over land at say 2000ft, it's bad.

 

It's almost as if the view panning is 'stepping' in increments when panning. Very straining on the eyes, and this was at 40fps. I set maxfps to 29' it actually was the same if not worse.

 

Could someone here on 1.2.5 post the contents of view.lua, I'd like to look at a comparison. Can't be bothered loading 1.2.5 again

[Lange_666]

It's almost as if the view panning is 'stepping' in increments when panning. Very straining on the eyes...

Perfect description of the problem we are facing.

 

I'm back on 1.2.6 so can't help on the 1.2.5 view.lua... anyone else...?

[howie87]

It's almost as if the view panning is 'stepping' in increments when panning.

 

Excellent description, this is exactly what I'm seeing.

[Kuky]

I just tried with and without TrackIR and to me its same... so I'll exclude TrackIR being the cause. I am now reverting back to 1.2.5 to see if I can see any difference... it's big DL now so I'll likely try it tomorrow (work this week has really been killing me.. I just feel too tired to do anything)

[ubiquitousuk]

I just tried with and without TrackIR and to me its same... so I'll exclude TrackIR being the cause. I am now reverting back to 1.2.5 to see if I can see any difference... it's big DL now so I'll likely try it tomorrow (work this week has really been killing me.. I just feel too tired to do anything)

 

Yes, I am having this problem without TrackIR, see here.

 

For me, the 'steppiness' in views seems to go away (or, at least improve) when I unplug my MS FFB2 stick.

[howie87]

I just tried with and without TrackIR and to me its same... so I'll exclude TrackIR being the cause. I am now reverting back to 1.2.5 to see if I can see any difference... it's big DL now so I'll likely try it tomorrow (work this week has really been killing me.. I just feel too tired to do anything)

 

I'd recommend going for a dual install (1.2.6 and 1.2.5) and playing them back to back. I really hope you will see and understand the problem we are all trying to explain. It's been a long and frustating road for many of us.

[_Dredd]

Speaking of FFB, not wanting to go off-topic here. But where is the config file that's shows it true or false enabled?

There are files related to it's settings ffbtune but no longer a file such as producer.cfg

I wonder if the two are related to the cause at all... Stab in the dark.

[Kuky]

Here's my input after playing around in 1.2.5, 1.2.6 and 1.2.7 (for testers)... in all versions I can see small stutters... it is not 100% smooth in any of them.

 

I made mission with MiG-29 (to eliminate FPS loss with new 3D cockpits), I've disabled TrackIR and I went back and forth flying low over empty terrain in south part of the map (away from objects again to eliminate FPS loss due to building etc)... and in all versions I see these small stutters and in all honesty, while it might be suggestive feeling I got from you guys, maaaaaaaybe that 1.2.5 is just so slightly will less frequent mini-stutters, it is just too hard to quantify the difference... I really can't call that 1.2.5 is obviously better and without issues and that 1.2.6 (and 1.2.7) have this issue.

 

It might as well be that there is some service that does some "polling" it might be graphics driver, maybe joystick software... I really don't know, I just can't say that I have this issue as on my end I don't feel these micro-stutters are bad enough to call them an issue.

 

PS: for me flying few meters off the ground and slowing the game down to 0.06x time acceleration and watching sideways I can clearly see very small but persistent stutter movement of the terrain passing by, but as I bring time acceleration up towards 1.00x it's to hard to see it and stutter is noticeable maybe every 1/2 to 1 to few seconds (it is not is distinguished intervals)

 

I don't know what to test more

[_Dredd]

This is more aggressive stepping effect with panning then small stutters seen in the terrain passing.

 

I use trackir smoothness at 50, speed 1.

 

If smoothness is low, your panning much faster and it's less noticeable. What are your settings at. Also can you test with F-15 also please, Su25 etc, apart from your Mig-29 test

 

I'm not sure if you have tested as we mentioned. It's not the terrain stutter when trackir is disabled, it's the cockpit head view panning that is causing stutter ,stepping with the frames, looking left and right. Looking I up and down the effect isn't as aggressive. But looking left and right, it's stepping/stuttering the frames.

Ie, trackir motion is no longer smooth transition looking left and right, it's stepping/stuttering.

 

I've got some time this weekend to test, so I will load 1.2.5 to a different directory path and test again. As long as this won't conflict with saved games directory and files.

 

Thanks

Edited October 25, 2013 by _Dredd

[Kuky]

My setting for TrackIR

 

Motion control

smoothness: 10

speed: 1

 

Camera

Video precision mode: Precision

Precision mode smoothing: 100.0

 

I'll try smoothing at 50 like you have and I'll try with F-15C and Su-25A

[TZeer]

Kuky, when you are checking between the 2 versions, are you running them both in 3x27" with corresponding resolution?

 

Or you running on a single screen?

 

If you are running it on 3x27", test it on single screen with higher avg. FPS. You should see the difference a bit easier then.

 

You have a very competent system, but I think me and you have a very different stand/oppinion on what is fluent gameplay. I tried a Sapphire 7970 GHz edition card on my single 27" one time. It had some unexpected dips in FPS, and when I compared it to my GTX 580 that it was supposed to replace, the GTX had higher minimum FPS while the 7970 had higher max fps. So in the end I returned 7970.

 

So seeing you running 3x27" and being ok with it's performance, tells me that you and me might have a different view of what is stutter and what is not. Some of us also might just be more sensitive to noticing changes like this.

 

Anyway, appreciate you are taking the time to look into this issue!

 

Thank you :)

[Lange_666]

Kuky,

 

Even if you can't see any difference between 1.2.5 and 1.2.6 would you at least do us the pleasure to bring this up to the attention of the developers?

 

For us there is definatly a hugh difference between 1.2.5 and 1.2.6.

If i go back to 1.2.5 it's really a relief and a joy for the eyes, on 1.2.6 it's a strain on the eyes. So much that i decided to not play the 1.2.6. anymore.

 

My TrackIR setting:

Speed: 1

Smoothness: 30

 

Camera:

Video precision mode: Standard (it's the only option i have in here...?)

Precision mode smoothing: 100.0

[Kuky]

I finally managed to see what you are talking about... I had to switch to single monitor setup to get higher FPS... then it becomes more noticeable :)

 

I'll raise a report in ED bug tracker... hopefully they'll look into it and see what's causing it... thanks all for your input.

[gavagai]

Speaking of FFB, not wanting to go off-topic here. But where is the config file that's shows it true or false enabled?

There are files related to it's settings ffbtune but no longer a file such as producer.cfg

I wonder if the two are related to the cause at all... Stab in the dark.

 

Could be, but I remember disabling ffb with 1.2.6 and it did not help this trackir panning problem.

 

You don't need to dive into a config file to know for sure if ffb is enabled or not. It's pretty obvious when it is and when it is not.:smilewink:

[_Dredd]

I finally managed to see what you are talking about... I had to switch to single monitor setup to get higher FPS... then it becomes more noticeable :)

 

I'll raise a report in ED bug tracker... hopefully they'll look into it and see what's causing it... thanks all for your input.

 

No Sir, thank you !! :thumbup:

[Kuky]

alright, it's reported... its out of my hands now and in ED's courtyard... keep fingers crossed they can replicate also and fix.

[Lange_666]

To Kuky...:punk:

 

(Now should we rep him or this over the edge...?)

[gavagai]

Thank you Kuky!

[Kuky]

To Kuky...:punk:

 

(Now should we rep him or this over the edge...?)

 

Well thank you but don't thank me... thank ED when and if they fix this :smilewink:

[howie87]

I finally managed to see what you are talking about... I had to switch to single monitor setup to get higher FPS... then it becomes more noticeable :)

 

I'll raise a report in ED bug tracker... hopefully they'll look into it and see what's causing it... thanks all for your input.

 

At last!

 

Yeah, it's pretty noticeable at 60fps...

 

Edit: Maybe it won't be a problem with EDGE anyway... We can hope

[TZeer]

Thank you! :)

[doveman]

I haven't used Freetrack much before but I just tested with 1.2.6 Update 3 (no mods other than the Headtracker dll) and it did seem a lot more stuttery than I remember. I was only getting 20-35fps, so for me it doesn't seem to need 60fps to be noticeable.

[Lange_666]

No it doesn't need to be 60 FPS to be noticable but like TZeer said, it all depends on what you experience as smooth. If you accept 20 FPS as playable (i could play at 20 FPS on a CRT but i can't on an LCD) then you will not notice much because at 20 FPS there is always some stutter (due to low FPS) and the TIR effect will blend into that and you will almost not notice it.

[howie87]

The sooner this is fixed the better. I find flying 1.2.6 horrible because of this.