VORs / DMEs... etc...

[Anatoli-Kagari9]

When will this be modelled in DCS World.

 

I know the territory on which the scenery area is based doesn't have that many, but there are a few, so, what is prventing ED from properly implementing those navaids and functionality?

 

And... has anyone been able to find that 1.2.6 turns it possible to use the NDBs properly?

Edited October 16, 2013 by jcomm

[Rongor]

didnt know the proper use of NDBs was impossible before.

 

It depends mostly on the ship you are using. The A-10C and the P-51D don't have receivers for NDB nor VOR/DME at all. The Huey and the Hip should receive both. The Ka-50 receives NDB only.

[Flamin_Squirrel]

You should be able to receive VOR in the A10C, you just need to look up the TACAN equivalent.

[Rongor]

Definitively not, since a TACAN has no VOR equivalent. These are completely different systems.

[Flamin_Squirrel]

Definitively not, since a TACAN has no VOR equivalent. These are completely different systems.

 

[Rongor]

You misinterpret this list. Your "equivalence" is invalid. Simply look TACAN and VORTAC up in wikipedia and you may understand. If not, come back here and I will teach you.

 

This list simply lets you use the DME component of a TACAN-station, if your aircraft's VOR receiver has a DME capability. A TACAN doesn't work in VHF, it is deaf for VOR frequencies and also the signals of a VOR are not of any use for a TACAN transceiver.

Edited October 16, 2013 by Rongor

[Flamin_Squirrel]

You misinterpret this list. Your "equivalence" is invalid. Simply look TACAN and VORTAC up in wikipedia and you may understand. If not, come back here and I will teach you.

 

This list simply lets you use the DME component of a TACAN-station, if your aircraft's VOR receiver has a DME capability. A TACAN doesn't work in VHF, it is deaf for VOR frequencies and also the signals of a VOR are not of any use for a TACAN transceiver.

 

Why are you talking about VOR equiped aircraft recieving TACAN? The question was TACAN receiver equipped aircraft receiving VOR.

 

I understand I might still have misinterpreted the list, but let's make sure we're on the same page.

[Rongor]

Because I wanted to tell you who could make use of this list you posted.

 

TACAN user can't.

 

Your TACAN device is unlike a VOR-receiver but similar to a DME-device, a transceiver. It is a secondary radar system.

Your TACAN transceiver interrogates a TACAN facility on UHF and then communicates two way with it to determine range and bearing.

The ranging component is compatible to the civilian DME and works in the same UHF frequency band.

In civilian VOR-receivers, you may have a cooperating DME-device. This DME also works like TACAN but of course limited to the ranging function. For convenience of civilian pilots, you don't have to tune a DME to its UHF frequency. Instead the VHF frequency tuned into the VOR receiver determines internally what UHF frequency the linked DME device has to work with. There your list comes into use. If you want to use the ranging component of the military TACAN with your civilian VOR/DME device, you can do that. Since you can only "program" the DME by the VHF frequency display instead by entering TACAN channel numbers, you look the (fake) VOR frequency up in this list, enter it into your VOR receiver and your DME starts to interrogate the TACAN.

Now it should already be clear why the TACAN can't make a use of this.

Edited October 16, 2013 by Rongor

[Anatoli-Kagari9]

Thank you for your answers.

 

I think I'll rewrite my question and actually split it into 2 questions:

 

1) Are there VOR, VORTAC, VORDME stations in DCS World? Can any of the A10c, Ka50, Uh-1h, Mi-8, Su25 use those stations for bearing and distance info? Is there a list / map of the default VOR, VOR/DME or VORTAC stations?

 

2) Are there TACAN stations in DCS World, Since they can be carried on ships, installed in the terrain, when building a mission can such stations be placed on the Map for later use by the aircraft? Is there a list / map of the default TACAN stations?

 

Thx a lot for your help!

Edited October 16, 2013 by jcomm

[Rongor]

jcomm, you can only use TACAN and ILS in the A-10C. TACAN transceiver uses channels. ILS receiver uses VHF frequencies within the VOR-frequency range.

 

The list is of no use for you.

[Anatoli-Kagari9]

jcomm, you can only use TACAN and ILS in the A-10C. TACAN transceiver uses channels. ILS receiver uses VHF frequencies within the VOR-frequency range.

 

The list is of no use for you.

 

Ah! Ok, I get it!

 

Thx!

[Rongor]

Thank you for your answers.

 

I think I'll rewrite my question and actually split it into 2 questions:

 

1) Are there VOR, VORTAC, VORDME stations in DCS World? Can any of the A10c, Ka50, Uh-1h, Mi-8, Su25 use those stations for bearing and distance info? Is there a list / map of the default VOR, VOR/DME or VORTAC stations?

 

2) Are there TACAN stations in DCS World, Since they can be carried on ships, installed in the terrain, when building a mission can such stations be placed on the Map for later use by the aircraft? Is there a list / map of the default TACAN stations?

 

Thx a lot for your help!

1) No. I think there are one or two VOR stations on the map, but there is actually no aircraft in the DCS World making use of them at the moment.

 

2) You may find all TACAN and ILS frequencies (and also other interesting stuff) in pdf files in your \Eagle Dynamics\DCS World\Doc\Charts folder.

[Flamin_Squirrel]

Because I wanted to tell you who could make use of this list you posted.

 

TACAN user can't.

 

Your TACAN device is unlike a VOR-receiver but similar to a DME-device, a transceiver. It is a secondary radar system.

Your TACAN transceiver interrogates a TACAN facility on UHF and then communicates two way with it to determine range and bearing.

The ranging component is compatible to the civilian DME and works in the same UHF frequency band.

In civilian VOR-receivers, you may have a cooperating DME-device. This DME also works like TACAN but of course limited to the ranging function. For convenience of civilian pilots, you don't have to tune a DME to its UHF frequency. Instead the VHF frequency tuned into the VOR receiver determines internally what UHF frequency the linked DME device has to work with. There your list comes into use. If you want to use the ranging component of the military TACAN with your civilian VOR/DME device, you can do that. Since you can only "program" the DME by the VHF frequency display instead by entering TACAN channel numbers, you look the (fake) VOR frequency up in this list, enter it into your VOR receiver and your DME starts to interrogate the TACAN.

Now it should already be clear why the TACAN can't make a use of this.

 

Thanks for the info.

 

In the superbug in FSX, you can use the table I posted up to receive VOR (bearing and rage); I guess this is inaccurate!

[Rongor]

It is. I also grew up with FS since FS3 and therefore took both systems compatible for years of my life, too.

This misunderstanding of TACAN is very common around here with guys coming from the FS series, now entering a so much more realistic simulation here in DCS World.

[Anatoli-Kagari9]

Again, thank you very much - I wasn't even aware of that folder :-/

[Rongor]

you are welcome! :)

[Kaiza]

Thanks for the info.

 

In the superbug in FSX, you can use the table I posted up to receive VOR (bearing and rage); I guess this is inaccurate!

 

Yep, the only time you would be able to use something like that is if the station was a VORTAC. This is essentially a co-located VOR and TACAN and often used on civi/mil shared airfields. This is possibly what is actually modelled in Superbug.

 

You will notice that many military aircraft dont actually have a DME reciever, and it is for this reason. When flying an ILS in many military aircraft you will tune the DME using the TACAN, and have the ILS freq in the ILS/VOR box.

[HiJack]

This list is added to FSX only because FSX does not have TACAN by design. This list is just a workaround of the problem for FSX and is not to be used in any other sim.