Saab Gripen

[ironmarc]

It's really not...

 

:thumbup:

[El Hadji]

...What matters in the Gripen deal is the full transfer of technology to Embraer, a more than capable plane manufacturer that is planning on venturing with military aviation.

 

True. 100% of the technology will be transfered and 80% of the Gripen structure will be built in Brazil. The avionics will also be manufactured in Brazil by AEL Sistemas.

 

Over here in Sweden rumour has it that Sweden will buy the Embraer KC-390 to replace the aging C-130 fleet instead of buying the C-130J. There has also been talks about buying Super Tucano trainers.

 

I guess this deal is good for both Sweden and Brazil! :thumbup:

[RodrigoMF_BR]

Some points..

 

I´m not really sure if this deal are to good to Brazil..

 

The GripenNG prototype still being mounted at SAAB plant in Sweden.

 

If the project are ready and prototype in construction, WTF major part of project EMBRAER, AKAER and others brazilians bureau will be participate ?!

 

Much criticism of Dassault Rafale in Brazil was the lack of production scale..

 

With the GripenNG will be much worst..

 

36 aircraft up to 72 here and a minor number in Sweden..

 

It´s beautiful at political vision open a production line here or better two..

 

One in EMBRAER São José dos Campos or Gavião Peixoto and another in São Bernardo do Campo who don´t have a simple airfield and don´t have space do make one.

 

But in practical e financial vision it´s very strange and a european vision who have to answer a large number of political interests.

 

I have some sources into Brazilian Air Force..

 

The GripenNG for money issues will be use the actual Rockwin Collins avionics and AEL will be a minor contract to some mission systems.

 

Another strange thing it´s the rush from Brazilian Air Force Commander to close the deal before the end of this year..

 

He´s afraid if the actual administration don´t win the Presidential race at end of this year, the new one cancel the acquisition.

 

I really hope this deal will be cancelled and another aircraft with a production line and parts will be opened for decades..

 

Nothing agains the GripenNG project it´s only seeks the best of my country.

[GripenNG]

I really hope this deal will be cancelled and another aircraft with a production line and parts will be opened for decades..

 

Nothing agains the GripenNG project it´s only seeks the best of my country.

 

If I understood you right, you mean that a total of 72 airframes are too small to uphold a production line over time?

 

I fully understand your point in this, and the requirements Sweden had in the late 80´s to keep producing fighter planes was a minimum of 200 units, to keep the production line open at SAAB in Linköping and still make it profitable - rather than buying off the shelf.

 

What this current SAAB - Embraer deal gives is a lot more than the production line itself. It gives Brazil the oppurtunity to closer technology exchanges between the two countries. Brazil have about really just purchased the Gripen in its core platform, and been given the oppurtunity to continue developing the product.

 

SAAB have more interrested buyers in South America, and if these would indeed choose Gripen, I am sure it would benefit Embraer and Brazil in many ways.

 

I hope I answered your questions. :)

[effte]

You guys aren't really suggesting that there's any way of knowing what a jet will perform like in combat until it's combat proven, are you?! I mean, seriously, until a jet has been through WW III, or at least participated in the destruction on the ground of the remains of a dilapidated third-world air force whilst flying out of international airports, there is just no way of knowing the performance you can expect!

 

Excercises, flags, live firing... that will only tell you how an aircraft will perform up to the point where the missiles go off the rails, and how the missiles will perform once they are off the rails after a target drone. It is well known that a declaration of war will reduce aerodynamic performance by at least 40%, and cause approximately 13% of all systems in any given aircraft to go Tango Uniform! When that drone is replaced by an actual hostile target, the hittiles will instantly transmograte back into miss-iles, grab a few beers and head for the beach.

 

Excercises and evaluations are, after all, put together and evaluated by amateurs who need something to do after their day job flipping burgers. Those involved just need a good chance to blow off some steam every once in a while! The ridiculous expenditure required is of course not offset by any expectation to produce anything meaningful. It is only justified by the armed forces of the world having more money than they know what to do with at the moment, so they have to spend the excess by going off to Nellis or Alaska to goof off. The rankings in the evaluations are auctioned off afterwards, with top performance scores going to the highest bidder.

 

You make it sound as if 'combat proven' is not at all the ultimate hallmark of quality we all know it to be. Rather, I get the feeling that some of you are trying to imply that it is a tired buzzword used as a last resort by desperate marketing departments trying to flog has-been buckets of bolts with nothing else going for them than being old enough to have managed to get in on the tail-end of the Guadalcanal campaign. How utterly ridiculous!

 

:P:pilotfly:

[Exorcet]

"Combat proven" is probably tossed around a little too strongly, as it might not even be as good as exercises for evaluation depending on what you're looking for, but there is a reason it's respected.

 

Actually combat removes many variables. If your exercises don't perfectly recreate enemy tactics or hardware, it introduces some error. There is also error in virtual missiles, and the probabilities weighed to certain situations may or may not agree with reality.

 

Exercises on the other hand allow you to look at every variable and measure things very well. Everything is in a nice closed boxed, and you don't only have telemetry on your aircraft, but the enemies as well.

[Suchacz]

Iceland air policing 2014 by Gripens of 211th sqn. of Czech AF

 

[Brisse]

Nice video! Love the Czech sense of humour and the modesty displayed in the video. It was not just another stupid video glorifying some war machine. It showed off the beauty of Iceland very well. Thanks for posting!

[Suchacz]

Open day 2015 in Caslav AFB, Czech Republic. No Photoshoping, no copy/paste! :D

 

Ten Gripens as a symbol of ten years of its service in our AF

 

 

Edited May 24, 2015 by Suchacz