nigglascage Posted January 14, 2014 Posted January 14, 2014 Hello, I've noticed that my throttle levers show different position values when I attach them together. Is there anything I can do about it?
Yurgon Posted January 14, 2014 Posted January 14, 2014 (edited) nigglascage said: Hello, I've noticed that my throttle levers show different position values when I attach them together. Is there anything I can do about it? If my math isn't off, that's a 0.62% deviation between the two levers. I doubt you'd notice it if you didn't look at the raw values. Besides, locking the levers is simple mechanics. The axis sensors don't know and don't care whether or not the levers are locked, they simply report the values they register. Maybe the mechanics are a little off in your device, though that doesn't sound too serious. Finally, the real A-10C throttles don't even have such a locking mechanism. IRL, the deviation between left and right throttle is probably a lot bigger than 0.62% most of the time, and they seem to manage. Edit: Played around a bit. I do see a deviation on my Warthog throttles with locked levers, but the maximum I could get was around 0.4% if I really try to get the levers to the maximum possible deviation (without applying brute force). Maybe other Warthog owners can take a look at theirs and post some values so that you can get an idea whether 0.6% is within an expectable tolerance or whether it's actually a lot worse than what other devices typically show. I still think 0.6% doesn't sound too bad, but if others are a lot closer together, you might get a replacement from TM. Come to think of it, I've heard lots of praise regarding TM's support. Maybe you could ask them as well (but I'm glad I didn't have to deal with them yet :D). Edited March 27 by Yurgon Removed Screenshots
nigglascage Posted January 14, 2014 Author Posted January 14, 2014 If my math isn't off, that's a 0,62% deviation between the two levers. I doubt you'd notice it if you didn't look at the raw values. Besides, locking the levers is simple mechanics. The axis sensors don't know and don't care whether or not the levers are locked, they simply report the values they register. Maybe the mechanics are a little off in your device, though that doesn't sound too serious. Finally, the real A-10C throttles don't even have such a locking mechanism. IRL, the deviation between left and right throttle is probably a lot bigger than 0,62% most of the time, and they seem to manage. :D Yeah, I was thinking the same regarding the real throttle :) Yet I'm curious if other TM Hotas Warthog owners have similar deviations. I don't remeber exactly, but I think the values matched 100% when I got the device.
cichlidfan Posted January 14, 2014 Posted January 14, 2014 I don't recall noticing either way and it has been quite some time since I looked at it. As for whether it matters, I recall someone saying that the sim doesn't handle the axis with as fine a resolution as the Warthog. If that is the case then the difference might be effectively reduced to nothing in the end. ASUS ROG Maximus VIII Hero, i7-6700K, Noctua NH-D14 Cooler, Crucial 32GB DDR4 2133, Samsung 950 Pro NVMe 256GB, Samsung EVO 250GB & 500GB SSD, 2TB Caviar Black, Zotac GTX 1080 AMP! Extreme 8GB, Corsair HX1000i, Phillips BDM4065UC 40" 4k monitor, VX2258 TouchScreen, TIR 5 w/ProClip, TM Warthog, VKB Gladiator Pro, Saitek X56, et. al., MFG Crosswind Pedals #1199, VolairSim Pit, Rift CV1 :thumbup:
Yurgon Posted January 14, 2014 Posted January 14, 2014 Yet I'm curious if other TM Hotas Warthog owners have similar deviations. I don't remeber exactly, but I think the values matched 100% when I got the device. Huh, quick responses. :) I edited my post and included some values I got from my device. As I said in the edit, maybe others can post some values of their throttles.
nigglascage Posted January 15, 2014 Author Posted January 15, 2014 Huh, quick responses. :) I edited my post and included some values I got from my device. As I said in the edit, maybe others can post some values of their throttles. Danke! :)
69iAFMike Posted January 15, 2014 Posted January 15, 2014 (edited) Here is the most I could possibly separate the values, when actually twisting the levers during motion. Normally the raw values are no more than 100 units apart, and sometimes under 10 units apart. It's really not a problem at all. Also, the values seem to be more consistently within 10 units of each other when I move just the right lever, letting the left one drag along with it. Edited January 15, 2014 by 69iAF~Mike
Lausbub78 Posted January 15, 2014 Posted January 15, 2014 There is a Thrustmaster calibration tool for the Throttle,it can be found here in post #7 http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=65901
nigglascage Posted January 16, 2014 Author Posted January 16, 2014 I just got feedback from TM support. The deviation is within tolerance.
Yurgon Posted January 16, 2014 Posted January 16, 2014 I just got feedback from TM support. The deviation is within tolerance. Good to know, thanks for the update. :thumbup:
Seil Posted January 17, 2014 Posted January 17, 2014 I understand this thread is in the nature of a technical comparison; however I feel it is worth noting that: If you are using the TM Warthogs to fly any plane with multiple engines (left / right), you should NOT lock the throttles together. It may seem weird/difficult at first, but you will be better off for it. Being able to walk the throttles during formation flight, AAR, as well as mid-air engine stop/restart access without having to juggle the unlock is totally worth it. -Seil WotG Founder & A10C Lead
cichlidfan Posted January 17, 2014 Posted January 17, 2014 I understand this thread is in the nature of a technical comparison; however I feel it is worth noting that: If you are using the TM Warthogs to fly any plane with multiple engines (left / right), you should NOT lock the throttles together. It may seem weird/difficult at first, but you will be better off for it. Being able to walk the throttles during formation flight, AAR, as well as mid-air engine stop/restart access without having to juggle the unlock is totally worth it. It also is not realistic to do so. ASUS ROG Maximus VIII Hero, i7-6700K, Noctua NH-D14 Cooler, Crucial 32GB DDR4 2133, Samsung 950 Pro NVMe 256GB, Samsung EVO 250GB & 500GB SSD, 2TB Caviar Black, Zotac GTX 1080 AMP! Extreme 8GB, Corsair HX1000i, Phillips BDM4065UC 40" 4k monitor, VX2258 TouchScreen, TIR 5 w/ProClip, TM Warthog, VKB Gladiator Pro, Saitek X56, et. al., MFG Crosswind Pedals #1199, VolairSim Pit, Rift CV1 :thumbup:
nigglascage Posted February 5, 2014 Author Posted February 5, 2014 I understand this thread is in the nature of a technical comparison; however I feel it is worth noting that: If you are using the TM Warthogs to fly any plane with multiple engines (left / right), you should NOT lock the throttles together. It may seem weird/difficult at first, but you will be better off for it. Being able to walk the throttles during formation flight, AAR, as well as mid-air engine stop/restart access without having to juggle the unlock is totally worth it. Thanks for pointing it out! I started flying with unlocked levers since you recommended it and walking the throttles is pure amazing. I've got a question tho, is it deprecated to increase a little bit of left engine power when I drift slightly to the left while AAR? I tried it today and it worked pretty well, but I'm not sure if it's the right thing to do.
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