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OK I'll try this way. Thanks!

In any case, don't forget that the Ryzen 3/3D are designed for lower latencies, so if you go this way, the only way to avoid their controllers to throttle back under load are Cl14 B.die RAM kits, especially with the 3D and their cache, the gain is significant. Here is the difference between my previous system (5600X, 3200MHz Cl14 4 X 1 stick, both CPU and GPU boosted with Ryzen Master and Nvidia Afterburner 1080Ti), vs the 5800X 3D, 3600MHz Cl14 4 X 1 stick, same 1080Ti not boosted. Tested back to back with 3DMark Pro at 4K (under load) 2 X MSAA. Note that you don't need to splash the extra dosh on the more expensive 3600MHz kit, the 3200MHz overclok very well, it was designed for the purpose.

I've been trying tons of settings in DCS and peripheral softwares but this is the best I could get, testing my system before upgrade with my first few flights in the Mirage F1. Thje replays looks too chuncky, every mm of movement from the headset translates badly in them so I'd rather record the onscreen which loos a little better at this level. Any tips? Thanks!

You need to ballance that with the cost of a DDR5 system...

Windows and hardware optimization plays a large role in all games, some games are more favourable to Intel/Nvidia, some to AMD systems. The first thing is how commited to gaming are you? Are you prepared to get rid of all the garbage running in your O.S background, set up paging files in a different drive, set up your start up Aps, shut Windows update down, service, clean up and repair your O.S as often as possible (I do it every day), maximize your case cooling just for gaming? That's one thing, then I had a lot of heated debates but if anyone is using Ryzens 3/3D, do not expect the maximum performances of them if you bound them with high street RAM kits which will most certainly prevent your CPU controllers to work at their best, especially under load, use Cl14 B.die kits instead. For Intel users, sorry I have too litle experience of the last gen to be of any good advise. Then once you have done all of that and have no CPU/RAM bottleneck, you will see if you need to upgrade your GPU, which is what I'm about to do, my (last day) excelent EVGA GEFORCE GTX 1080Ti vs my new (to be delivered today) Sapphire Radeon RX 7900 XTX Nitro+ Vapor-X 24GB. Then there is the matter of availability, reliability (bug-free) of VR packages necessary to run DCS and in particular some modules like the Mirage F1. We're splited between two evils: STEAM and Microsoft, if I can find an alternative to both (Im trying VERY hard) to run my Pico 4 I'll have absolutely no hesitation, their monopole, lack of customer attention (not our problem, ask the other guy) and care and somewhat rather mediocre application of VR to DCS is the best reason to leave them behind, and something else, if you're a Nvidia user, updating your driver will lose you Nvidia Control Panel, now onluy available from Microsoft.... See what I mean? Eventualy I'll sort out my little issues and it will be good bye to the big Corps. No regret. For the time being, here is what one of my first flights in the F1 looked like performance wise (1080Ti), with all setting maxed out and anisotropic 16x, not too disapointed, pay attention to RAM and CPU use... An ps, if anyone knows the stttings to get the same ration in the 2D screen than in VR please let me know.

It could be a bunch of viable upgrades if AMD didn't do us the 7900 launch performances thing again... Anyway in a few hours I'll test my EVGA GEFORCE GTX 1080Ti vs the Sapphire Radeon RX 7900 XTX Nitro+ Vapor-X 24GB I am expecting back-to-back, it should be interesting, I've been preparing myPC for the upgrade, 15mm fan to gain a precious cm for the card, repositioning of the low pressure Noctua fan, new CPU cooler. While I was finishing optimizing my system (windows in particular), I tried to fly the Mirage F1 in VR, got frame rates as low as 25fps but considering that everything was set to max, 2 X MSAA and anisotropic Filtering a 16x, I'm happy with that, still have to figure out how to harmonize 2D and 3D ratios... Meanwhile my CPU was only toping 15/18% usage, so I guess there are more than a few forum legend going on about how DCS really works and I'm probably not gonna feel the need to upgrade my 5800X 3D any time soon.

AdlA Mirage F1CR HUD.

Thanks for your insight. I've seen a mod after posting this and installed it but it would be better if it was developer's made, at least we would have it back without issues aftereach DCS update. Those guys are doing a great job helping to improve this module, except for one thing: I'm not going to splash dosh on a map (Syria) just to get training cessions, that's a no go, it should be available on the standard maps.

Hi! Congratulation for the great work, but we will need a more readable HUD, as it is right now, I barely can distinguish the figures and I am just setting up DCS in VR, I might be able to go around this issue if I can find out how to zoom in and out. Merry Christmass and Happy New Year!

My theory, again I don't do mediocrity I leave that to your bunch, and you're right you cant answer the basic question I asked: Who in their right mind are using AMD reference design? WHY is your youtube god hiding the fact that he was using reference cards and tried to suggest it was the whole of AMD cards? You can't wanswer that, better run and quit the argument because you already lost it. And something else, extreme pricey is costing me £15 per frame less than a 4090, you need to ask Santa for a new edition of the Oxford English Dictionary, boy.

Blah... Really so the market loss is not only related to a bunch of reference cards that a conman tried to pass for the whole of AMD GPUs then. Let me guess, I watched AMD launch and left the video before the end, as opposed to youtube junkies and gurus devotees, I never stop thinking for myself... The main reason why they are losing market shares is their well overdone promotion, performance claims they never reached, the "8K" thing and suggestion by more youtards that those cards were gonna beat Nvidia 4090... Nvidia or AMD fanboyism is just as mediocre and the best way to navigate this trash is to get informed instead of copy/pasting videio links. We will see more and more AMD GPU tests as the issues are resoved manufacturer side and they start to come out, for the time being, thermal test shows that mine runs as cool as the reference card without hot spot and even cooler if you use a different BIOS but of course the title of the video isn't making dosh for a conman or trigering fanboyism. So who again is at the root of AMD loss of marketshare? The Youtube gurus and bashers or US, the AMD users who realized the situation after the promotion of the 7900 series? One doesn't need to be a youtube heroe to have an impact on manufacturers and your twisting of reality is not going to change that, it's a FACT.

Was he born when I upgraded my Pentium II? I call a con a con, and if it doesn't suit your religion, tough, he needs more fanboyz for his living swallowing sensational sticky titles and half truth, that's good for your bunch of "believers" but I don't get hypnotized by mediocrity like this video... NOW QUESTIONS: How many manufacturers who have released their cards in the UK only recently (mostly today) are using the reference cooler design? ANSWER IS ZERO. So HOW is a bunch of reference cards going to get AMD in big trouble exactly? And of course, AMD mocking Nvidia was the focuse of his attention, he forgot to say that EVERYONE was mocking Nvidia, that's enough to unmask his bias and fanboyism, looks like your collective motivation too, so hallf truth, "forgotten" facts, media manipulation, just like it became a fashion lately... Question 3. Are you using your brain before posting or just floating in a remain of X-Masss fog and vapor? Because either you find a sadistic pleasure in sharing mediocrity for information or you juste needs a crash course in youtubing self promoting.

Excue ME. Where is the trolling here? Since when are Nvidia in "BIG TROUBLE after a multitude of their £1700+ elite cards caught fire? You guys need to quit the booze. AGAIN: I was R.I.G.H.T, he used reference cards to imply in the title and in the videos that all AMD cards were designed the same way or used the reference cooler design. THIS IS CALLED DISINFORMATION. "AMD IN BIG TROUBLE" "WILL LOSE MARKET SHARE" "THEIR CARDS WILL CATCH FIRE" Not gonna happen. Time for a change of Pampers.

What was I saying??? reference cards... Now, today, if you care checking, there is only 3 out of 15 cards available from a company like Overckockers, which says a lot considering the launch date was the 13th, how many of those are using the reference card cooler design??? Let me guess. AMD in big trouble is NOISE, most manufacturers won't use this cooler design. And they make a living with videos like these? I wonder if he made so much noise about the Nvidia 4090 catching fire, that's why I am not into this religion or drug depending your level of addiction to Youtube videos.

Like I give a damned who he is, he makes a living selling his stuff on Youtube for sure, for your info I build more PCs than he did since Pentium II, the only difference is that I don't con people with half truth and biased infos. "We opened the 7900XTX Vapor Chamber". Right, is that NOT a reference card design? How many companies have been using it? And his title "AMD are in trouble" not noise? You guys need to change channel and try cartoons at least they don't have the pretention of knowing what they're talking about... So again when I want a proper information I know where to find it and it's not with noise makers who needs contributors for their living, XMass is expensive for those guys... Here. NO HOT SPOT.

Mate, I don't need Youtube gurus to tell me half the truth come up with this B.S and hide the rest of it. So I'll reiterate. CLOWN. And I am someone who check infos, does his home work, don't take youtube videos for granted, this way I can spare me thousand of pounds and if I want a proper information I know where to find it, and it's rarely where you go fetch.

Because GPU rushed out for sale a few days after the release date using the exact same reference cooler design while all other manufacturers cards are still not available today are not prototypes? Did you have a look at the links I provided? NONE of the manufacturers has actually a GPU available today, they all have been busy designing their own cooling, that's what prototyping means. Good ridance and don't forget to write... elsewhere. And please don't take your religion and fanboyism for a norm, it isn't, I do my home work before spending my dosh or calling a GPU overpriced, at £18 per frame, you're the one who needs a dictionary... Oh I forgot, my Sapphire Radeon RX 7900 XTX Nitro+ Vapor-X 20GB runs as cool as the reference card without hot spot and even cooler depending on BIOS used, that's while running all over the Nvidia equivalent... Why I didn't buy an Nvidia GPU...

Hang on a mn... This clown (Blogger Roman der8auer Hartung) "investigate" cards which are quasi prototypes, a bad batch, and can't help himself mentioning Nvidia being mocked in the process, doesn't tell which cards he used for his "demonstration" and of course this has nothing to do with AMD bashing? Sorry he should have done like the rest of us, his home work and when one mentions very bad habits, remind us how many over-priced 4090 have caught fire? Mate, if you need gurus like him, no wonder this forum is full of B.S and fanboys... And something else, those AMD GPU already run all over their Nvidia equivalents at 4K so calling them overpriced is a little bit of the usual mediocre... AMD bashing. 7900XTX prices nvidia-geforce-rtx-3090 price And just a little reminder, the cheapest 4090 is £450 more expensive than my Sapphire Radeon RX 7900 XTX Nitro+ Vapor-X 24GB for an average advantage of 25 FPS, £18 per frame, talk about being overpriced... Enjoy.

It all depends on how the game manufacturers developed their engines, some favour Nvidia, some AMD and it's pretty much the same for the platform, especially if you want to play in VR, support is rather mediocre to say the least, with the choice between two evils, STEAM or Microsoft Mixed Reality, the rest of peripheral apps developers got the crumbs... As for the hotspot issue... I tried IN VAIN to get a reference card, I wonder how people managed to purchase them, but what I know is that no manufacturer in their right mind are going to use the AMD reference cooler design, some are still working on theirs (MSI for example), others applied known technologies because they work like Saphire and their Vapor X. At the end of the day I was lucky not to be able to purchase a ref card and so I proceeded to research thermal performances and I chosed the Sapphire Radeon RX 7900 XTX Nitro+ Vapor-X 24GB. It can run as cool as the ref card without the hot spot or cooler depending on the BIOS used. And so we see a LOT of AMD bashing ranging from "AMD are in trouble" to "their cards have a hotspot", all of it with mostly ref cards which were released less than a month ago... Looks like some haven't swallowed the Nvidia power connectors things and think it's payback time... What I can say about AMD is that their launch campaign was largely overdone, they made claims they couldn't live with at least not with the Referenmce cards and straight of the box drivers, they need to put their house in order, fast. But I'm certainly don't regret my choice, I wanted a 4K GPU less expensive than a 4090 and I got it.

Right, another Youtube Nvidia fanboy in need of more suscribers, had to mention Nvidia connectors and ther4090 catching fire mocked by (everyone really) AMD... Two things, he never mentions which cards (manufacturers) he covered and assume that they all use the same design = WRONG, then we can oppose tons of tests including very precise thermal data and in any case, I doubt very much that apart for the sensationalism of the title, there is much to say about it... In short, the usual one vs the other thing still goes on with the mediocre Youtube videos to increase noise level... Cooler = Saphire Vapor X. NOT the "standard" ref card design. 5: 04.

I understand. A couple of years ago when I started to investigate the RAM issue, I visited the MSI forum and asked questions about both Intel and AMD CPU users, turned out that the reason for using Cl14 RAM kits were the same, they all needed to be able to O.C their RAM. It all changed with the Ryzen 3 and even more so with the 3D, they worked on the low latency rather than possibility to use higher frequencies even with the Cl14, my kit is limited to its stock frequency of 3600MHz because of the controller limits but overall, with the cache, the gains are rather significant. Obviously I do not know yet what it will do in DCS I do not have my card yet, but I also chose carefuly based on the other point I've been working at, thermals. I'm not concerned about beating Nvidia CPUs, what my goal is, is to optimize my system and have it run cool and as fast as possible, the rest is irrelevant to me.

Quiet logically, but my insistance into trying to get AMD users to understand what might be holding their system performance is certainly not for no reason... Here we have a culture of "faster is better" which doesn't work when you understand what your Ryzen CPU is doing, what its limits are and how to improve performances or rather recover the loss due to mediocre RAM/CPU bounding. I lost the basic knowledge of the Intel CPUs but I know for a fact that they are much more suited to higher frequencies despite the fact that many of them are also limited to 3200MHz, it would take a test with Cl14 to understand precisely where their limits are. For the time being here is a clue. Intel: How to Overclock RAM.

Wrong choice of word, I'm not offended but fade up to read the same reactions to frustration by the same bunch, you included, Intel/Nvidia users, there have been several topics where those issues were raised and I have been endlessly trying to say the same thing: We don't buy AMD for the same reasons than we buy Intel/Nvidia. 1) If this was a RTX 4080 why post about the 4090 then? 2) Typical, those comments are NOT my opinions, if you knew anything about it, you would know that those infos came directly from AMD and Gskill support technicians, I have posted their infos in the form of images, replies to my requests by emails to give a serious insight of what is going on with RAM and the Ryzen 3/3D, but obviously considering that you only consider those as MY opinons, it shows that you missed a LOT of it. Again you accuse people of doing exactly that you do, most AMD new gen cards aren't even available right now, people run AMD CPUs and GPUs with the wrong set of RAM even the so called specialists in Youtube who can't read AMD own CPU RAM limits and fit Cl36 because they think the frequency is better with those Ryzen. Exactly the opposite of what the techies are saying but eh, what do they know? So I will see once my system is fully optimized what the results are in DCS, what I am sure about is that I do not have a CPU/RAM bottleneck, buying a £2,499.95 GPU, O.Cing it while losing the manufaturer warranty, fitting ultra-high frequency to CPUs limited to 3200MHz is certainly not going to help results in this game, makes me wonder what the technical supports are for if no one feels the need to ask them questions and keep looking in topics such as this one instead. In short, if one wants proper info, one should reach for the proper source, not DCS forums. So before concluding that AMD GPU are inferior in this game, ask players what their RAM/CPU bounding is, how optimized their system is, because it's not enough to fit a popular RAM kit, that's one of the first thing I look in their signature and one of the reasons why their results might not be as high as they could be. I posted two links to Overclocker's website, AMD and Nvidia GPU, if you had taken a look you'd figure that most of those cards are not yet available, this plus lack of care for optimizing their systems, according to my tests can lead to a difference of 18.91% in Graphic score, 14.09% in Physics score and 32.34% in combined score at 4K 2 X MSAA with an 5800X 3D, that's the effect of a Cl14 Ram kit for you. How much of this will translate to DCS remains to be seen but it is certainly not a small patato and if I manage to get the most of it to this game I am sure the 7900XTX is not going to give anything to a 4080, that's how Ryzen CPU works and spreading words about those infos being "opinions" is not helping AMD users.

Here is another point: AMD Radeon RX 7900 XTX Graphics Cards NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 When you compare the price for one of the costliest AMD card (Sapphire Radeon RX 7900 XTX Nitro+ Vapor-X) and the cheapest 4090, you can see the difference between what AMD users and Nvidia "elite" really is. Some might really think that we believed that a card costing anything from £450 to a £1000 less is going to beat the 4090? Two things, one; those guys doesn't understand AMD players, second one must feel really insecure to come up with all the arguments against the RX 7900 XTX we saw in this topic, from my PoV, the comparison is also pointless, I didn't swallow AMD commercials when some were suggesting its target was the 4090, but I certainly don't take any B.S either. We had a similar situation about AMD CPUs last year, guys couldn't understand why players would buy the 5600X, even so it ran nearly as fast, ran cooler, and was much cheaper than the equivalent Intel solution. Again, comparing the two is pointless, people don't buy an AMD for the same reason than those who buy an Intel and it's the same for GPUs. So when I get my Sapphire Radeon RX 7900 XTX Nitro+ Vapor-X 24GB, the first thing I'm gonna do is not to try to compete with a 4090, but to give it the best environment as possible: Reduce frame time, reduce ping, reduce voltage and thermals, I have looked for the informations to achieve that, not to try to beat Nvidia 4090, I couldn't care less. I'll be running 3DMark benchmarks for each setting, this is what I did for my RAM and it works, optimization of my system is more important to me than beating DCS benchmarks records, I didn't build my PC for that. So if some Nvidia players are frustrated because some moron published a youtube video braging about how AMD beats Nvidia, get this: For the price, it does beat a RTX 3080 Ti hands up, even the RX 7900 XT manage it in most games and considering the price range it is what the RX 7900 XT/XTX should be compared to.