Thinder

£349.99 today at AWD-IT (UK). I'm running a 5600X and will upgeade my GPU for an RX 7900 XTX so I'll need a bit more performances to make sure I don't have too much of a CPU bottleneck, but I'm wondering if the difference between the two aa 4K while gaming is worth the price...

Agreed. I am running an EVGA GEFORCE GTX 1080Ti that I purchased second hand (two years warranty) at CEX (Britain) and I'm very happy with it, I need to upgrade it to play 4K VR, so I'm shopping around with a clear idea of the amount of money I'll splash into the card that will allow me to do just that, not "THE BEST", just a competitive one within my budget.

True, if you're a gamer, it mostly depends on the development of games...

That's the first thing I check on with Power supply... Good info, I just checked the dimentions and all I need to upgrade is the PSU for a 850W, I might just got for this one but I'll have a larger CPU bottleneck, although perhaps not much of an issue because my CPU can cope wiuth a 3090 and still not be the bottleneck... In the case it is a real issue, I'll have to upgrade motherboard, CPU and its fan well. Wait and see.

I just secured a budget for either upgrade or new build. For upgrade, from my GTX 1080Ti I'm looking at the RX 7900 XT, it fits my case with length of 276 mm and might be a better performer at 4K than the 6950XT. All I want is a system that can play 4K VR at decent frame rates and setting, this looks like it. The other upgrade will be increased RAM capacity (same GSkill B.Die 3200), probably a 128 GB kit since I need a 4 X 1 stick kit and I can't find those at 64 GB. For VR headset I'm looking at the Pimax Crystal... If I wanted a CPU upgrade, it would mean a new motherboard, not sure I need this right now just to get a 7600X, but the card requiering only 750 W is a nice touch, I don't need to upgrade my PSU yet...

That's what they anounced a couple of years ago, more perfs for less Power consumption which is what we need, it proves you don't need to build monsters to get performances. From my PoV, it's a far better way to bring technologies to street market. Still remains the question of which motherboards and CPUs will fully support those cards, if anyone has those informations...

What we need to know is what PSU, motherboard and CPUdo those cards need to run at 4K without issues, it's not just a case of buying a card a sticking it in a B450 slot...

You're already below what is required to play at 4K reliably, plus CPU are not the only thing that will get you there at 4K, it would have ben useful to know what motherboard you're using and if it can be fitted with the equivalent of a Ryzen 5, depending on the model, some motherboard supports the upgrade, it's the case for mine despite being the cheapest of the serie but only up to 5600X. At 4K your CPU will be pushed to its maximum (be under load), so as I pointed out previously, one of the best things to do is to bound a proper RAM kit to it, and it's a B.die kit, a 7500X will clock at Up to 5.3GHz boosted or 4.7GHz non boosted, to this you might substract up to 6.4% or more if you use a non B.die RAM kit because your controller with meets is limitation earlier. Thats the low option, EightyDuce gave you a higher option. If you wonder if I can play DCS at 4K with my rig, yes but with a few options down and not PVP, the limitation there being my GTX 1080Ti which is the bottleneck, my CPU with this RAM can cope with a 3080 and still not be the bootleneck, bootelnecks are what you need to avoid and/or eliminate. I tested this combo with CPU bench and got those results for a stock CPU running at 3.7GHz/4.6GHz, mine was running at 4.595GHz..

Consider first upgrading your RAM for a B.die kit. Best gains with Ryzen are obtained with a 1 bank X 4 sticks (interleaving) 3200MHz ,especially with the Ryzen CPUs due to their architecture (Infinity Fabric), their controllers (4 banks maximum regardless of the number of sticks and 3200MHz limit). With B.die you will have a lot wider range of settings available to keep your frequency at 3200MHz UNDER LOAD which is an important detail since with a conventional RAM kit, your CPU will throttle back and start narrowing channels at this point, unless your RAM can provide it with the right setting in BIOS, B.Die being a much more stable material will allow for that. This is the gain I managed with such a kit, tested back to back right before and after upgrade from a Crucial kit running at 3200MHz. Note that because the CPU doesn't limit the GPU channel there is also a gain of 1.33% in graphics, the whole test was 4K, some would chose to watercool their CPUs but not only they would lose the warranty but also the average gain for watercooling O.C is just above 5%, to me it was always a no brainer.... I'd advise GSkill kits but there are also aa couple of other manufacturers using the Samsung B-Die material that you can find here. B-Die Finder

I agree.

About ytour choice of RAM... IF I'm lucky and get the funding I want, I'm planning to upgrade my RAM from 32GB G.SKILL TridentZ RGB to a 128GB kit of the same RAM, I know it might look excessive but I prefer this to start with DDR5, I can wait until the next generation of technology is fully sorted, when you see what I am asking from my PC it stops looking like an overkill. G.SKILL TridentZ RGB Series 128GB (4 x 32GB) 288-Pin PC RAM DDR4 3200 (PC4 25600) Desktop Memory Model F4-3200C16Q-128GTZR

That's what strikes me, I wonder which company can do better than Samsung in this field... IMHO the lock might well be a lot more in the production area than yelds...

Was that because of production volume or something else?

I stick to Win 10 with Disabled automatic update as well as a lot of features running in the background which I don't need for gaming and are using a lot of resources both in RAM, storage space and CPU usage, Broaadband wiudth is also optimized. Linux remains an option, I really don't like Microsoft policies and the way they invade people's privacy and "lose" their datas, if Linux allows me the same level of gaming, including with future upgrades (GPU aand VR headset), I'll go for it and won't look back.

Since you're in the UK, you might know CEX I got my EVGA GEFORCE GTX 1080Ti half price with two years warranty from them. They don't trade motherboards and PSUs but pretty much everything else, you sell stuff to them, they will test it, fail it if it's not top, and you can buy second had for 50% of the price of new stuff. NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB GDDR5X £290.00

Yes me too, but first the Mirage F1. IF we're lucky to have a 5F in a few years, it will put it on par with the Viper and hornet in BWR which is the weak point of the 2000C in this game...

I wouldn't be so sure about that for the same reason that they're certainly second in the list for retirement, 1) obsolescence, 2) airframe fatigue, they all are upgraded from existing Mirage 2000C dating from 1993, not new aircrafts, there were only 37 of them meaning parts are now more difficult to obtain due to their initial low number and attrition, this reduces availability and increases cost. MICA entered service in 1996, most Mirage airframes still had a relatively long lifespan then from deliveries to AdlA in 1983, if they kept the 2000C, it is because even without the Super 530D it was still relevant to them and it was due to be replaced by Rafale in the mid term then... We all know what happened. AdlA just retired an entire Mirage 2000C squadron after closing BA-102 Dijon where I served servicing Mirage IIIE weapons, the base was the home of the only air superiority squadron, escadron de chasse 1/2 Cigognes, which is significant, then the first 2000N are going as well, this plus the fact that AdlA leaderships are calling for increased Rafale procurment give us a clue... btw, even the Mirage CR were doing Police du ciel until retirement in 2014. retrait de service du Mirage 2000C RDI

Normaly, if I need this sort of informations they are available first hand in theh RAPPORT D’INFORMATION from the ASSEMBLÉE NATIONALE, of course to have details about thee aircrafts you'll need to get to the right report where the mention is made for reasons of a decision made either for the upgrade or budget. At the moment, the emphasis is on what is needed to meet high intensity conflicts, solutions range from upgrades to increased in "format" or size/number of assets. préparation à la haute intensité Noticable, the Rafale comes top of prioriies because of the uncertainties about the SCAF programme, then the Carrier, then heavy assets of the army. If the upgrades are not listed here (17th feb 2022) it doesn't mean they are not in the pipeline or already funded, only not top priorities for those reasons, the document mentions renovation rather than upgrade but also the retirement of the Mirage 2000N. This have been my assessment for years, but the problem is the age of the 2000-5 airframes and the fact that renovation/upgrade of a 2000C would cost half of the aircraft itself, most probably no RDY, thus no LAM (mid course guidance from taircraft to missile), so MICA EM BWR only. In the frame of renovation, the 2000D is quoted with first delivery this year end, but nothing about the 2000-5F, in my opinion, because of the short life span of their airframe and the priority given to Rafale which is a much more capable platform. Considering that the "format" for 2025 will be considerably reduced (to 185), chances are the 2000-5F are next on the sh!t list, they are closer to retirement than you may think. Note, Rafale also has priority for AdlA when it comes to counter the trend toward reduction of number of assets... From this article you can deduce two things, Rafale is bound to be the only aircraft in service with AdlA at least in the view of the Air force, replacing all types of Mirages in the short to mid-term, the floor of 185 aircrafts is within a composite force (Rafale/Mirage 2000). Dates are 2027 and 2030 and Mirage 2000N then 2000-5F will be retired within this period of time.

That's not a D but a twin seat variant of the 5, an export version not in use in AdlA, and there are other export variants with this sort of avionic upgrade, not truely AdlA Ds. Here is an AdlA 2000B cockpit, I typoed the D for B and I specified its training role, the photo is dated from 2010 and I don't think they saw any upgrade since.

Not at all. The 5F is half way between the C and the Rafale, it is equiped with a Modular Computer Unit similar to that of the Rafale, fully upgradable with tons more computing power than the C/D/N, so all avionic including ECM can not only be more powerful but also a lot faster and with a margin for upgrade, because the computing power is there. The radar is way more advanced than the C, to the point where they are not afraid of most NATO aircrafts, they can fire BWR both IR and EM while scanning (Track While Scan) which is a capability they had before most other western fighters, no lock, no warning. They didn't upgrade them becaause of the Rafale programme but it is certainly more capable than the C and N, as for the B. it has the same avionic than the C and no guns, it is only used for training.

SMR Simulation Massive en Reseau. Massive Network Simulation. We all know that RAZBAM and the French Air Force have been collaborating on the Mirage 2000C module which French Squadron are using for PC-based traning at Squadron level. According to this video, they expect a Mirage 2000-5F around Summer 2020, meaning it could be already in operation with AdlA. Now, weither we're gonna see it landing in DCS I couldn't say but the module exists, I don't think AdlA worked with a different company than RAZBAM for its development and it should be possible to develop a nerfed version for DCS. Personally I'll welcome the module IF and when it come, what say you?

Complement of information: If you wonder what the money we spend in Premium is used for here is a clue. Simulation Massive en Reseau. Massive Network Simulation. French Armee de l'Air uses RAZBAM Mirage 2000C module for training at squadron level (of course with corrected datas for performances and system), NATO uses squadron level COTS (Components of the shelf, originaly Component of the shelf in military language), this is not uncommun among NATO squadrons and always have been the idea behind COTS. Those platforms are COTS PCs but are developed so that a French pilot can train vs an American pilot in the USA or any other pilot from a member of NATO in a netwrok, despite this level of sophistication, this represents the low cost level of Air Forces training, the high end being the full cockpit simulators. I'm certain that VR will complement the actual 2D systems because the module and simulation already have the capability, it is only a matter of budget and when it will be aproved. So to get to this point, R&D cost have been shared between military budgets (and I can tell you that it is nowhere near what the military were paying previously) and the high end cunstomers paying premiums on top end cards.