Thanks, also Winwing notified me my order for F-15 EX grips was ready, only problem is I had to pay with in a 3hr period, they sent the e-mail on the 9th at 0230 and I replied on the 9th at 1425pm. I was under the impression I had a 48hr window but when I attempted to pay it said the had been invalidated. I was able to reorder 0n the 14th so all is good. Thanks again TC