Ramses823

Here is the crash log this is the first crash I have had since the 23rd and I have been flying the F-15E a lot over the past few days with and without mods, the problem seems to happen when I switch to Air to Air mode the last CTD came right after I fired a missile I replayed the mission as a test a few times again with no mods then I ran it with mods I couldn't get it to CTD , by the way the mods I am running are just skin mods to give the missiles a worn look nothing affecting any LUA files and again I have flown multiple missions with and without the missile skin mods the issue seems to be randomly related to switching master modes or maby switching different weapons I'm not sure dcs.log-20230627-185915.zip

A few days ago I posted about getting two CTDs out of nowhere but then for the past two days I have been flying with no problems but then I tried to practice shooting aim 9s and aim 120s and bam CTD now I removed my aim-9 skin mod and my aim-120 skin mod no problem then I ran a few missions with the mods back on and no problem whatsoever now when I got my first two CTDs a few days ago I didn't have any Aim-9s or Aim-120s on my jet so the mods could not have caused those CTD but on the first one I got I was playing around with switching different master modes and then I got a CTD then on the second CTD I was about to shoot down my wingman because he was taking a while to refuel and the shortly after switching to guns I got a CTD and I also didn't have any missiles with modified skins on my jet these CTDs seem very random, I know this is a new jet in fact one of the best ever in DCS absolutely amazing job but there are definitely some bugs that need flushing out...

thanks I'll give it a try...

{I was flying on NTTR not doing anything in particular the first time and bam CTD, Then the 2nd time my AI wingman was getting fuel from the tanker and CTD not sure whats going on but here is the crash log}.... I also posted the above in the F-15E section but I'm posting here as well because i'm not sure if it's the F-15E or the new update... dcs.log-20230623-194528.zip dcs.log-20230623-223431.zip

I was flying on NTTR not doing anything in particular the first time and bam CTD, Then the 2nd time my AI wingman was getting fuel from the tanker and CTD not sure whats going on but here is the crash log dcs.log-20230623-194528.zip dcs.log-20230623-223431.zip

I've always used mods as far as skins for weapons, airplanes, and assets mods but have been a little afraid to try a terrain mod but I decided to try your mod for the Caucasus and I love it great job man, runs smoothly, and looks superb.....

The creator of the mod actually responded to me and helped me out .. if anyone else has the problem I had it's because the mod needs to go in your main DCS directory not saved games... by the way if you fly the A-10C ii you got to get this mod it's a must have....

I followed the instructions in the download but for the life of me I can't get this mod to show up in the customized cockpit window... I placed it in Mods/Aircraft/A-10C_2/liveries/A-10C-2020-CPT/Papa Flares A-10CII Cockpit/... if anyone can help I'd sure appreciate it...

No problem man I think what you guys are doing with DCS is great and there is nothing easy about it, it's like anything else in life anytime you make improvements your going to have a few set backs it's part of the process....

If you need me to I can probably do another track closer to the CTD I was worried that I wouldn't be able to get the track before the CTD but if you look at my track the F-117S are on the tanker for a bit of time, the actual CTD comes at around 14:39 with the F-117'S still on the tanker...

https://we.tl/t-TYlhlIGGNd this is about maybe 15 min before the CTD

I have the track file but it's 104 MB and the max file size is 50MB is there some other way I can send it to you? by the way when I ran this test I watched a AI flight of f-16's hit the tanker with no problem so the issue is defiantly with the AI f-117s refueling... I also ran the the A-10 wingman refueling test again and there is no problem with the A-10C ii wingman refueling I think I got the false impression there was a problem with my wingman being stuck on the tanker but I realize I simply wasn't being patient enough as it took a little while before he refueled because of the distane so that was completely on me.

dcs.log-20230318-150142.zip

I just ran a very interesting test I sped time up and went to external view on a flight of F-117s to see what they would do and at 14:10 they went to the tanker and at 14:39 they were still on the tanker then the screen froze and I got the CTD... I'm about to send you the log on that one if you create a mission on the NTTR map and set a flight of F-117s to orbit and speed up time you should be able to recreat the circumstances.. I'm going to run it again when the F-117s go to the tanker I will go to the debrief and save the track file and send it to you...

I just ran the refueling test again and I'm not having a problem getting my wingman to refuel any more... As far as the CTD issue I think that's being triggered by one of the AI assets because when I removed all the AI assets I didn't get a CTD...

I just created a new mission on the NTTR map with the A-10C ii and got my wingman to refuel I'm going to run it a few more times and I'll see what happens

it keeps telling me the mission file is too large I even tried to compress it.. Maby if I delete some of the static aircraft on the ramp I can get the file size down...

OK give me a second I'll get my computer fired up and I'll send you the original NTTR mission..

I can run the A-10 refueling test on the Caucasus map the only thing I is know you said there was no tracks with the crash logs I sent you so you would have to explain to me what I need to do to create a track.... by the way the only maps I can confirm the A-10 refueling problem is on the Syria map,Persion Gulf map, and the Nellis map, if you can tell me how to create a track I can run it across the board including the Caucasus map.. it might take me a week to complete though as I owe my girl for some lost time... she doesn't appreciate DCS like I do ...

Well my Job is done for the First time in days I got the A-10C ii to fly a complete mission on the NTTR map... It looks like the Issue has to do with AI assets trying to refuel for some reason it causes a crash to Desktop so basically on this mission the only aircraft I had flying were me my AI wingman and the tanker. On this one when I was done refueling I didn't send him to the tanker I had him rejoin on me so it looks like one of the crashes came from a mission where I refueled then sent him to refuel then when he got stuck on the tanker, I pushed on with my mission I heard him call RTB then shortly after came the CTD. Now for the mission before this one I just did I went to the tanker seen a flight of F-117s stuck on the tanker so I pushed on then shortly after CTD and with this successful mission I just did no AI assets were in the air except for the tanker and my wingman who I did not allow to refuel and what do you know no CTD... so I'll be flying solo till the DCS team can get a fix for it....

dcs.log-20230316-193617.zipdcs.log.old I checked for the auto excel file and there isn't one so I guess that's why it's not creating a track file but I am not familiar with track files as I have never sent one I don't know if you can send me a copy of the the file so I can place it in the folder and get a track file.... I completely rebuilt the mission and from scratch this time and I had a flight of AI F-117s orbiting by Tonopah test range, I also set a tanker just outside of the 70's ranges by the time I got the A-10 started at Nellis 45 min ( I go so far as naming weapons profiles so it's a lengthy start up) and flew up to the tanker track I set up, the F-117s were on the tanker refueling which surprised me so I flew off tankers wing for a while to see if they would get there fuel and depart the tanker track but they didn't so I pushed into the 70's ranges at which point I once again got the CTD but it happened quicker than it did yesterday... Now with the mission I flew the other day I had a flight of F-117s orbiting as well but I had them placed further from the tanker which is why I think the CTD happened a little later in the mission the other day so right now my best guess is the AI F-117s are causing this CTD however I can't confirm right now if the F-1117 flight went to the tanker yesterday and caused the CTD or if another AI flight went to the tanker and caused the CTD... so now I'm going to replay the mission whith no AI assets airborne except for a tanker for me to refuel on, and if I don't get a CTD then the issue is clearly some kind of conflict with AI assets refueling on the NTTR map, now I'm not sure if this extends to any maps beyond NTTR as I have not tried them since the update... dcs.log

OK I will do that and I'm going to completely rebuild the NTTR mission from scratch basically I have a baseline template that I use with assets already placed that I use whenever I build a mission so I don't have to rebuild everything from scratch so I'm just going to start everything fresh I did notice with the F-16 on the persion gulf map when DCS first implemented the new lighting effects any old missions would not render a air to ground map image but if I started a fresh mission from scratch the problem went away so I basically had to start over and build a new a persion gulf template frustrating to say the least but I understand that it has got to be incredibly difficult to weed out every single bug that may come with a update and quite frankly the whole purpose of DCS beta is to have the community test updates out so the DCS team can identify and fix any bugs for the stable version, so I'll try what you said and I'm going to start the NTTR mission from scratch and I'll get back to you with the results..

Ok so I replayed, the NTTR Mission but this time I hit the tanker and didn't tell my wingman to go to refuel, when I was done refueling, as I left the tanker track he rejoined on me, and I continued with the rest of the mission and I was up by the 76 ranges and made it back to maybe 15 miles from Gass Peak at this point I told the AI wingman to anchor here. from that point right as I made it to Gass Peak it crashed on me.. I thought I was going to make it all the way back to Nellis without a CTD because this is the furthest I have made it as far as this mission goes. I do have some other AI assets set to orbit here points just so I have other assets flying around the map so I don't know if maybe one of them hit the tanker and caused it to crash or maybe the A-10C ii wingmen not refueling is it's own issue and some other bug maybe causing the CTD, however this is the furthest that I have made it in the mission because normally the CTD comes when I'm still in the 76 ranges but I don't think the 76 ranges is the issue because on the BFM mission I did a few days ago I was over the 60 ranges.... Tomorrow I'll build the Caucasus mission and see what happens as well as trying the NTTR mission without tankers... dcs.log-20230317-010333.zip

OK what I will do is 1st refly the Nellis mission without telling my wingman to hit the tanker to see if I still get the CTD and I'll see what the results of that are, then I will build a A-10C ii mission on the caucus map to see if the AI wingman will refuel and I'll post the logs for that.....

when I refuel my wingman gets stuck on the tanker so I refuel first then I push on with my mission and maby about 20 min later he makes the call he is done refueling, to be honest the A-10C ii wingmen Always gets stuck on the tanker I figured that's just a bug that DCS has to get worked out in due time but it's not a deal breaker to me so I don't usually pay it any mind however normallly he is stuck on the tanker on for a while then he rejoins but I did notice on my last session he said going RTB instead of saying he is going to rejoin after he was done refueling but I was already in the midst of finishing my bombing run and was about to go RTB myself so I didn't think much of it.... I'm going to try the same mission again but this time, after I refuel I will bring my wingman with me instead of telling him to hit the tanker and I will see if it crashes again. If it does I will send that log then I will try one with no tankers..